Zardari Rev 2

#7 Posted by bulleya,

I have nothing against this gaddi-nasheen and alam-bardar of his illustrious sajjada-nasheen ancestors, except his disgusting subway-molesting attempt at brushing up on sherry rehman's boobs in a public rally, but do tell me the following:

What has he done for Multan in particular and South Punjab in general during the no less than 5 tenures he has had as an MNA, one as Speaker NA? Except spending time in A-Class jail?

zeemax #: .....gilani is about the best that the feudal-pir system has to offer......he is a dignified man.....trust me...i have only been mentioning three people (imran khan, aitezaz ahsan and gilani), because or of the people i have had some direct or indirect access to, (through friends and family etc.) i have found these three to be the best......

as for sherry rehman......that was accidental.....

regarding his piri/fiqiri.....he is the gaddi nashin of a big pir gharana......he is related to pir pagaro and to a long list of major feudal/pir.....i believe his son is about to marry pir pagaro's granddaughter.....however, he gave up the gaddi a long time ago.....he passed it onto a relative....that itself takes some courage......he moved to lahore, and lived a normal life, raising his children as professionals.........

...as for jail time......anyone who understands pakistani politics will know that spending time in jail is the ultimate qualificaiton for leadership in pakistani politics......pakistani politics has still not matured beyond the days of the british.......this is, probably, why he got the nod over fahim.......

he was subjected to all kinds of humiliations by musharraf over five years.....he is one of the only politicians, who refused to move to the hospital during jail time......he was offered chairman senate etc. by musharraf, to switch parties.....he refused.....yet you will never see any bitterness in him........

him and javed hashmi are the two ultimate anti-establishment figures, at the moment......nawaz sharif ran away to saudi arabia, benazir was in dubai, zardari was in a hospital.....while these two were in jail without any credible case....naveed qamar of ppp is another who was in jail for two years......and i think ppp will give him the second most important post of finance minister, due to his jail time......

jail time is a ph.d. in pakistani politics, and is what makes leaders popular amongst voters......they respect defiance......moreso than even good governance.....at least that is what i have seen.....

for those who like liberalism, he is quite a liberal guy, who has broken away from traditional piri/faqiri....and a very balanced, patient man, who knows his limitations........and is very respected across the political spectrum.......

good choice; at least as far as i m concerned.......and this is coming from someone who is totally against piri/feudal system of pakistan.......

as for doing something for multan.....i don't know what he has or has not done for multan......but in that sense, no one has done much for any place in pakistan....pakistani politics is still stuck in the institution building stage.....doing something is stage 2.....and is quite easy......he can hire plenty of people like you and me to do things.......

Re: # 9; Zee Bhai
"What has he done for Multan in particular and South Punjab in general during the no less than 5 tenures he has had as an MNA, one as Speaker NA?"

What has ANY one of them done for the country?

Re: # 11

akcheema sahib,

If we measure contribution by infrastructure development, then the charge is not true. Take a stroll down memory land, the Sharif's particularly the younger one (Shahbaz) transformed Lahore, last five years saw another phase of rapid development in Punjab and Karachi.

Point being, without being generous we can be objective and give credit where it belongs, and the question what has the gentleman done for Multan or Southern Punjab for that matter is a relevant question. Now that he has assumed the PM mantle, it becomes even more problematic cause his performance will be measured on a national basis.

one more thing about gilani........unlike many feudals/pirs whose ancestors were given lands, because they sided with the british........and many from punjab who actually opposed the creation of pakistan........gilani's father was the youngest signatory of the pakistan resolution as a representative from multan (if i am not incorrect), and his family was fully behind the pakistan movement........

Re: # 13

bulleya

{and many from punjab who actually opposed the creation of pakistan}

Many? how many and can u name just a few who opposed formation of Pakistan post 1946. Thanks

Re: # 14
The current champions of the Islamic cause, i.e., Jamaat-e-Islami's founding father Syed Abu'al Aala Maududi is one name that springs to mind.

Re: # 15

So does the JUI (Hind), but they were not the Pir/Feudals as suggested by bulleya.

Re: # 15

JUP or the "Pir" party of Muslims supported Jinnah's Pakistan and were active participants in contrast to JI and JUI the two opposing clerical parties.

Arifbhai,

Pre-1946 most of the Punjabi notables the Unionists opposed Pakistan. Only after they saw that Pakistan was inevitable or that INC rule cud mean end of fedualism did they switch over. YLH can expand on this.

Regards

Re: # 18

Dear Maj

Bulleya had incorrectly paint brushed all Pir/Feudals opposed to Pakistan. Granted, there were feudals (Unionists) and religious parties (JI, JUI) opposed to Pakistan, but (a) they were not Pir's and (b) there were also counter forces that supported creation of Pakistan (JUP, Bugtis, Nishtars etc) who were the followers of Sufi Islam.

By the way, I am still waiting for bulleya to quote few Pir/feudals that opposed Pakistan.

Re: # 13 Mr. Romair i respect you for you give good analysis.
But who's father what did is over emphasized. PM minister is not farm to produce through bred horses.

rf786 #:"many and can u name just a few who opposed formation of Pakistan post 1946..."

the pakistan resolution, to the best of my knowledge, is dated pre-46, not post 46........i am not sure why you have picked post 46.....by 46, jinnah and his muslim league had defeated the leaders who opposed pakistan....

punjab and nwfp were brought into pakistan, kicking and screaming, by jinnah.....at least their leadership was.....

so to answer your question.....take leader of punjab and nwfp, who had a feudal/pir background, and you will find then in opposition to pakistan....to be particular, take any unionist in punjab.....and to be even more particular, khizar tiwana.....

by post-46, all had lost.....

ahmedmadani #: "But who's father what did is over emphasized. PM minister is not farm to produce through bred horses."

..yes i agree....this is true......though, in pakistani politics, whom one father is has a huge impact on his/her politics....

Re: # 21

Lahore Resolution of 1940 never mentioned Pakistan by name, point being concept of Pakistan took a turning point when Muslim League emerged victorious in the 1945-46 elections commanding complete control in the center and majority in the provincial legislature. Thus the emphasis on post 1946, if we were to go back further in time then Maulana Azad was also member of the Muslim League and changed sides in 1920.

You have mentioned two names, both ended being part of Pakistan now whether that was by choice or compulsion is irrelevant and more importantly there were far many more Pir/feudals (Mamdot, Nishter, Daulatana, Pagara, Bugti, Khan Abdul Qayyum, Maulana Sattar Niazi) who supported the cause of Pakistan.

yusuf raza gilani is a sayyid-zada and descendent of ghawth azam and a gaddinasheen?! subhan Allah! He has my support already...in fact i will carry his shoes as a mark of honour to his illustrious ancestors!

:-)

He will be the best PM ever!
Allahu Akbar!


p.s. rf786 is correct: the panjabi and sindhi pirs ALL supported qaid e azam and the pakistan movement along with the JUP and all the sunni-barelvi ulama. chief amongst them was hazrat pir sayyid jama'at ali shah sahib rahmatullah alayhi...in fact without the votes of the murids of these pirs pakistan wouldn't have been formed cos the Muslim League needed these votes...

it was the deobandis/whabis like JUI, Maududi etc. who opposed pakistan's creation and who mocked the qaid as 'kafir e azam'.

in fact the deobandi mullahs were so far up congresses backside they even invited gandhi to their mosque to do a speech on the minbar! la hawla wa la quwwat...

and now people like fazloo and his fuzla-father act like they were the thaykadaars of pakistan!