The Vicious Circle of Violence

Re: # 74
Salim:
Indians treat daughter-in-laws as daughter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imrana_rape_case
This is basically Moslem/barbaric culture.
Mohammed also had comitted same crime (raping his daughter-in law Zainab, wife of Zaid)...

Re: # 61
Salim:
We will like to discuss about Zainab and Ayesa and their sexual adventure with Muhammed and the paramours of these girls ( Zainab & Ayesa)...Let us start chronologically...Thackerey will come later...

(Indians treat daughter-in-laws as daughter.)

Right about that. Bahus are burnt and daughters are aborted before birth. But maybe all these people doing dowry killings and female foeticide are Injun Momins.

Regards

Re: # 99

Majumdar,

Stop all this antics. Indians indeed treat DILs as daughters. There could be aberrations.

Now cool down, Salim Saab will take you with him to heaven, don't worry. But Saab will take you there only as a spectator...wokay? No touching ...

Nkg,

Its ok we have had a glorious past...Musalmaan's had their share of good times too... We have as many monsters as the Muslims have...Now don't try to ridicule, excessively, when somebody is going through hell...

Thanks,

Re: # 99
Majumder:
In most of the cases mother-in-law and sister-in-law are hold responsible for such crime...How many cases, you see father-in-law involved in such crimes?

Vengkat:
Mohammed had committed all sorts of crime (rape, killing, torture, looting other's wealth). These are just reminders...Unfortunately Bal Thackery and Mohammed are same type of people...popular for negative energy...

Re: # 100
Now cool down, Salim Saab will take you with him to heaven, don't worry.
Ans: Which heaven? Which provides 72 Arab virgins?

Nkg,

(In most of the cases mother-in-law and sister-in-law are hold responsible for such crime...How many cases, you see father-in-law involved in such crimes?)

So I guess saas and nanads are all Muslimas, the sasurjis are all good Hindoos!!!

Regards

Holding mirror is true friendly act! One should take this job of documenting what Indian civilization gained from Muslim invaders. Indian and Paki Muslims need to be made aware that by keeping identity tied to the primitive and uncivilized cultures of invaders who happen to be Muslim may make them backward looking and rootless. In 80s they used call ABCD for kids who were being brought up in America. Unfortunately Muslim of subcontinent have been kept confused by vested interests of divide and rule of British and the brown babus who replaced them ie psydo-secularists, Lalu, Mulayam type politician. Subcontinental Muslims have become Arabia Bound Confused Desi.

In documenting the positive contributon, let me pose who was/were architect of Taj Mahal, Fattepur Sikri and other so called Muslim monuments? Who were the engineers of Sher Shah Suri's Grand Trunk Road?

Tanjawar temple architecture was followed in many temples, even Mahalaxmi/Ambabai temple of Kolhapur, Maharashtra. One of the architects who have preserved and improvised for current need is Shri Ganapathi Sthapati. What intrigued me is the following historical context from the url http://www.vastu-design.com/lesson1.htm

Ganapati Sthapati holds that the historical figure, Mayan, an architect and town planner of ancient India was the source of "Vastu Science". He was the author of Mayamata Vastu Shastra (a treatise on building and architecture) and also Surya Siddhanta (a treatise on Astronomy). These works are still alive and being used by scholars and practitioners all over India.

Sthapati told me that Mayan was adored as "Viswakarma" by Veda Vyasa in his Mahabharata (one of India¹s most renowned scriptures), implying thereby that Mayan was aware of the dynamics of SPACE and was able to apply the space-mechanics to his own creations and transform them into little universes on the Earth. Whatever he was able to create in visual terms, be it a sculpture, building or a town or city layout, they behaved like living organisms and pulsated with life. He was a great scientist of India who identified and quantified the vibrancy of the space enveloping the Earth and the heavenly bodies and also dwelling in each of the objects of nature.

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Let's hear from knowledgeable folks. Muslim need to be proud of the engineers, architects and the craftsmen who got samadhi while creating monuments even if they find that they were not Muslims. They should not be proud of only the guy who financed it. In reality these monuments impoverished the common Indian of that time. Sher Shah Suri was prudent and visionary but other wasted resources which could have been used better for creating universities, libraries, printing preses etc. There was no effort even in nurturing the architecture, engineering or craftsmanship. Europe had started doing this when Muslims and Rajputs were squandering national wealth.

Hope I am not hurting any ones feelings.

Re: # 101
Vengat...
Resigned....
I am watching Mauna Ragam (though I don't know Tamil, anyhow I have loved this movie, when I have watched it during my college days (91-92)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKy6lO-TJvw&feature=related
Enjo y...
(Chini Kum theme song is similar...)

Nkg,

I have watched Mauna Ragam too and also a Hindi translation called Kasak. Revathy was the star in MR, right? Lovely movie.

Regards

"Which heaven? Which provides 72 Arab virgins? "

You should have known when I told Maju anna, "No touching" ...LOL

Yes "Mauna Ragam" is good. Maniratnam's movie...What else you can expect from a genius like him... Hindi was compulsory till my 9th standard and I managed to pass a few Hindi exams. My teachers, in Tamilnadu, were so strict, we were terrified to make mistakes. Sadly, the fear alienated me from Hindi...

It kills me whenever I see lovely Hindi girls and my misfortune of not knowing Hindi. With whatever Hindi I know, I try to manage;).

Who is Thakare?

They come from principality Bhor. They were keeper of a fourt in Bhor. British attacked in 1820s ... though fought gallantly ... outnumbered and outgunned ... had to flee.

Balasaheb's father Prabhodhankar Thakre thought did not attend college was fairly good writer and so ran a weekly for emancipation of women (hindu) and removing casticism and superstitious belief among Hindus. More socialistic/marxist. Little driven and non-compromising. So family suffered.

Balasaheb was good at drawing and painting. Did not do well in school. but became one of the foremost cartoonist. did not go to college. worked in socialist paper free press journal. accidentally took the mantle of Marathi common man's cause when he saw nepotism in employment by south Indians. straight forward. Non corrupt personally. Not at all womanizer or alcoholic. Was deeply attached to his wife because he married early and his own mother died early. his wife was mother to his younger siblings. Lost interest in life when his eldest son died in accident and his wife because they misplaced the bottle of medicine which kept her blood pressure/heart ailment low. Father to his daughter-in-law and supported her in producing good Marathi and Hindi movies. A risk taker. Fulfills his promise. But limited in vision and exposure to world events or trends. Not good with money like Pawars.

Don't go only by what is written in the news papers. They are not even good as toilet paper. I met only once to open an ITI/deploma college when I had just completed B Tech and he was more concerned with keeping existing jobs of people. Those were the days when close to 400K workers were going to be jobless because of textile mills closing.

Re: # 109

Guru,

I fully agree Shri Balasaheb Thackeray has a good side to him. Now do you agree that he has a bigger bad side?

I forgot to add. Thakre was the only deterrent to Dawood and gang when most of the other politicians were either on his payroll or were scared. Shivsena saved Mumbai in 92-93.

Mayawati IAS material, is going to be real man who will lead India a decade from now. Shivsena will work closely with her rather than BJP. Ideally they all should come together and reach out to Muslims, which Shivsena and Mayawati are doing. Muslims should understand that Thakre/mayawati are well meaning compared to the psydoes in Congress.

more islamic multi-culturalism..
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In this spirit, Saudi Arabia's Consultative Council (Arabic: Majlis ash-Shura) considered a resolution calling on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to "work in coordination with Arab and Islamic groups and others at the United Nations to draft an international pact for respecting religions, their symbols and leaders, and prohibit insulting them in any way." The council member who introduced the resolution, Mohammad Al Quwaihes, did so in direct reaction to the cartoons: "The provocation to move the resolution was the continuous onslaught on Islam in general and the Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) in particular, say for example, the blasphemous cartoons and films being published in Denmark, the Netherlands, America and the like."

Ah, but there's a problem with this "mutual respect of religions" idea, one which led the council overwhelmingly to vote down the resolution, 77-33. Critics pointed out that such a pact would recognize polytheistic religions, and that "would be unacceptable." One opponent, Khaleel Al Khaleel, explained his vote against on the grounds that it would create a dangerous precedent for Muslims. "Some consider Buddhism, Qadianism and Baha'ism as religions. Can we make it obligatory for Muslims to respect these faiths and avoid criticising them?" Another member, Talal Bakri, noted that "if we approve the resolution it will be make it obligatory to recognise some religions and will facilitate establishing places of worship for them in Muslim countries."