Why not hang Surabjit Singh?

Urstruly,

(However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.)

Before he is hanged or after he is hanged???

Regards

#29 munir khan was the project leader for the pakistan nuclear bomb. AQ Khan was subcontracted one of 17 steps involved in making a bomb. Being a self-promoter, Khan elbowed his way into publicity (e.g. holding a press conference after the 1998 explosions, when in fact he had been invited to attend the test only after requesting PAEC). I was told this by a PAEC man. The dislike for AQ Khan by the team responsible for actually building the bomb is public knowledge.

AQ Khan became world famous because of his making money for himself by selling Pakistan's nuclear secrets to all buyers, and thus putting the entire national strategic defense in jeopardy. Musharraf has been protecting him and his false image of being the "father of the pakistani nuclear bomb" for reasons best known to Musharraf. Perhaps the truth will now come out.

Munir Khan is another one of the heroes of Pakistan like the Chief Justice who have contributed greatly and without fanfare (of the Musharraf or AQ Khan type) towards strengthening the national defense. He is a true hero of Pakistan who made sure the nation is secure from any attempts by India to overrun the country as it did in 1971.

I dont know why you are trying so hard to defame this unsung national hero. But the truth comes out in time, and your ignorance will be revealed when one day this man's true contributions to Pakistan are made public.

Re: # 33

The same applies to Musharraf.

#31 Posted by Urstruly on March 24, 2008 11:58:16 am

What punishment does Musharraf is eligible for for the murder of hundreds - if not thousands - of Pakistani citizens?

N.B: I think the next of the kin of the victim(s) pardoned Sarabjit.

#31 Posted by Urstruly:

"I don't know why do we have to re-invent the wheel ..."

One is not talking about re-inventing the wheel. One is talking about changing a punctured wheel.

I don't know why do we have to re-invent the wheel everytime we come across a predicament like this. The Islamic law on such kind of prisoners or condemned is very clear:

1. If there is a treaty between the two countries regaqrding exchange of prisoners etc.; obey the treaty first.

2. If there is an international law governing such criminals then obey the law first. According to Geneva Convention, the spies and un-identified foreign fighters do not have immunity from prosecution.

3. In Sarbjeet's case, the condition#2 applies. If he is found convicted of terrorist activities then not only the state but his victims, if alive, or the relatives of the deceased are party to it. If these people take Qisas (blood money)and diyat (compensation for loss of limb or injury) and forgive him, then he cannot be hanged. However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.

President or head of state has no authority to pardon any criminal - none whatsoever.

It should be clear to anyone but the very simple-minded that, as the good Paki authorities keep reminding us, the bomb blasts in Pakiland are the handiwork of Indian spies. This is an inescapable conclusion given the secular and pacifist nature of Paki society.

Small Spies Must be Hanged , While Bigger Ones Prosper

A.Amin


There is great talk now about hanging or not hanging this or that Indian or Pakistani convicted for spying.


Brigadier Tirmizi ex ISIs book profiles of intelligence states that Munir Ahmad Khan Chairman Atomic Energy Commission Pakistan was spying for USA.One of the editorials of Pakistan Times published in 1947 or 48 stated that G.Ahmad brother the first Pakistani Director of Intelligence Bureau a brother of secretary Aziz Ahmad was a British spy.The list is countless.ayub khan also refers in his diaries to the incident that Indian war plan was purchased in late 50s , what gohar ayub in glimpses from corridors of power states was sold by FIELD MARSHALL MANEKSHAW for a gardening set.Another Indian author I read also stated that Manekshaw had links with Brits.All these can be debated but the fact remains that in pakistanb and india only poor border crossers referred to in intelligence terminology are prosecuted.no one has charged anyone for genocide or for any betrayal at higher level. The law is basically for the poor man.in cases of espionage official secrets act of 1923 , no politician bothered to revise this arbitrary british law.Its so arbitraty that a man loitering near any armed forces installations can be hanged.No Pakistani politician made any attempt to change it.Even the Pakistani politicians failed to give the army personnel the basic constitutional right to appeal enjoyed in India.Thus while ZA Bhutto did allow this initially , he immediately took it back once the Attock Conspiracy took place.

If you look at the Pakistani politicians they are 80 % the descendants of those who collaborated with the British in 1857.
Statistics reveal that between 10 to 200 suspects in espionage cases are tortured to death by the armed forces intelligence agencies.No one is prosecuted.There is no record of these tragic victims of outright murder.The excesses committed by Pakistani law enforcement agencies armed forces , civilian intelligence or police can be fairly matched with Indian excesses in Kashmir.Why talk about plebiscite in Kashmir.What about a plebiscite in Balochistan or tribal area.

The grand party of crooks continues since 1947.Malik Riaz gifts expensive houses to army generals many of them sons of rankers and no one talks.But when Captain Babar was mistakenly and falsely convicted of removing a bulb from his office he was dismissed from army.Now we have Corps Commanders called Crore Commanders but they are perfectly respectable.

As I see it now the army and politicians in Pakistan have compromised.So the looting party will start with greater enthusiasm.I doubt if any new government will change anything.Musharraf is a mean mortal.He will go but the nexus of civil military corruption will stay.As long as this state exists.

no court sentenced general afzaal pakistani DMO or Field Marshal Manekshaw or Moraji Desai ex PM India to death.

Notes from Spynest published in many volumes from US documents captured from US Embassy Tehran state that Pakistani boss of military operations,custodian of Pakistani warplan was a US spy.The names include Sahibzada Yaqub also .Gohar Ayub Khan's memoirs state that Indian Chief Manekshaw sold the Indian war plan in 1950s to buy an expenisve gardening set for his wife which was then bought from paki intelligence money.moraji desai ex PM india was said to be a CIA spy.Its all economic . these death sentences for the poor man only.

As I understand that in Pakistan there is no law.One force is the army , another are the feudal-industrial politicians and thats all.Since the country was created by a small franchise not beyond 5 % of the population its a story of crooks looting the country.Basically financed by Muslim business classes from Gujrat and Bombay with support of Punjabi and Muslim feudals who were heavily in debt to Hindus this so called Islamic Republic was haven of all crooks.The situation continues till todate.Now the army generals again mostly lower middle class or middle class social climbers struck a deal with politicians condoning their scams by the so called NRO.This was done by Musharraf not for any idealistic reason but so that he is not prosecuted for his corruption.A magna carta of crooks.

#27 by harish_hyd

The mercy petition was filed by Tabassum Guru, Afzal Guru's wife. Here's the reference:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/oct/03parl.htm

#21 by zeemax

How's Sarabjit Singh comparable with Afzal Guru in India? One is ready to hang, while the other is begging for life.

Are you sure? Afzal Guru did file a mercy petition and begged to be let off because he wanted to see his kids growing. I will see if I can find some references.

Sarabjit is the best person to tell us, whether he was spy/mastermind behind the blast. BTW, if he had entered Pakistan without proper document, he should have approached Pakistani authorities for returning back in India.

Jinnah said every Pakistani was “First, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations.” He reminded them that even among Muslims there were “Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on”, and among the Hindus there were “Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris … and so on”. These distinctions had to vanish in the political sphere if progress was going to be achieved.
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At last pakistan is on teh path top progress per jinnah dictum.

In 1947 there were 23 precent non-mulsims. Now it is less than 2 percent. Ahmadias have been chased out or killed off. Shia doctors and other prominanr shias have vanished. Per the jinnah dictum, pakistan is an alomost homogeneous state ready for progress

Jinnah said every Pakistani was “First, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations.” He reminded them that even among Muslims there were “Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on”, and among the Hindus there were “Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris … and so on”. These distinctions had to vanish in the political sphere if progress was going to be achieved.
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At last pakistan is on teh path top progress per jinnah dictum.

In 1947 there were 23 precent non-mulsims. Now it is less than 2 percent. Ahmadias have been chased out or killed off. Shia doctors and other prominanr shias have vanished. Per the jinnah dictum, pakistan is an alomost homogeneous state ready for progress

singh should be freed because there is no legal system in pakistan.

All of the NAB cases have been dropped because mushy wanted it.

muktaran ami, initially no one was arrested, as in other rape cases in pakistan, now four sre sentenced to death because mushy wanted it.

benzir crime scene is washed clean while the generals crime scene is preserved.

there is no legal systen in pakistan. sighs case could be no better than the NAB cases. It coul;d be like the muktaran mai, mushy or some earlier general wanted it.

Pk legal system is a sham.

#21 Posted by zeemax:

I am against the death penalty. Whether, or not, Mr. Guru wants to hang or be hanged is besides the point.

#20 Posted by GT,

Sarabjit Singh has been found guilty by Pakistani courts. He should be put behind bars for life. But he should not hang. The same holds true for Afzal Guru in India.

How's Sarabjit Singh comparable with Afzal Guru in India? One is ready to hang, while the other is begging for life.

There's no exchange here ... GT Bhai. No comparison.

I would say, hang Afzal Guru, and let this bharati sob live. Give him life imprisonment courtesy of Pakistani exchequer for his daily daal/roti for the rest of his days. Guru obviously doesn't look forward to that.

Besides, it will make the NGO types happy.