Why not hang Surabjit Singh?

#42 by Urstruly

Isn't it quite obvious now that God's Law is there to benefit us?

Yaar Ursy, there were crimes even during the Prophet's time - supposedly the golden era of mankind. Otherwise, there would have been no need for such laws. And here you're talking about times when every single human being (okay, I may be exaggerating here but you get the point) on this planet is guilty of at least such things such as lying and paying bribes. If for every crime, a limb or a foot is chopped off, then this world would be left with no able-bodied human beings. And for even simple things such as washing your behinds, you would need someone else's assistance. As for us kafirs in India, the number of railway accidents would double because our favorite squatting place is beside the railway tracks.

VRV - good post. harish_hyd, if I am forced to select one capital punishment, I would choose the one you recommend :)

Re: # 38

Sarbjit is convicted of very serious crimes which include carrying out three separate bombings in Lahore, which claimed the lives of 14 people and injured dozens. The Qisas (Blood money) and Diyat (compensation for injuries) is the law of the land. That is his only ticket to avoid hangman's noose. So far, all Presidents have been overstepping their authorirty to commute death sentences, which is the violations of Divine Law.

Unfortunately, in violation of Allah and His Prophet's command, the chopping off of limbs on opposite sides is not a law in this country yet. So if the blood money is accepted his sentence may be commuted to whatever the law says about damaging public property. Isn't it quite obvious now that God's Law is there to benefit us? Had this law been on the book no one would have dared blowing up people and public property.

re: harish_hyd #38

I second your comments.

Ciao

raheel07,

As for the fishermen's issue, it's tragic that these ppl who make livelihood by fishing on high seas are caught as if they stole the state secrets on high seas! It’s laughable to say the least. Indian/Pakistani Coast Guards can turn them away but there lies the fundamental reason of recurrence of trespass.

Fishermen in India and Pakistan operate with kerosene as fuel to run the 19th century boats. They dont have fishing harbours to dock their boats and store their catch in cold storages. The whole cycle of operations is still rudimentary. They bring the catch and their daughters & wives do separation and grading of the catch. The dealers come and buy the catch and cart off the goods to markets.

I talked to some fishermen who venture to high seas. They always say good things abt Pakistani fishermen. They exchange food and cigarettes on high seas. They help each other like a community.

Now forget abt GPS or any sort of communication setup for May Day messages for those hundreds of boats that venture out to Arabain sea everyday, they even dont have modern day boats that are equipped to be helpful to fishermen in all aspects of their tasks. They still use kerosene lamps at nights. Keep their catch in the hull of the boats

So in a way these ppl are innocent in aspects of the word coz they don’t have:

1. Proper fishing boats
2. No Fishing harbours with cold storages
3. No GPS or any sort of communication system to know their position on high seas

I also support that death penalty is not a solution or a proper punishment as in humantarian issue.

But the government could have surely give him life-long sentence because if he is a spy and is freed in few years imprisonment then the message they are giving across that hey we welcome spies, do your work happily, if you are lucky enough you will not get caught, or else it is just some years imprisonment.

As far as the legal access to people like fishermen who crossed the borders is concerned, I solely agree but it is a faulty system afterall. It can't also be ignored that some one out of them can be a spy too. I am writing this with government's perspective but my own opinion lies in friendship and open borders. Both countries need to work not alone but collectively in creating this awareness and feeling of humanity and friendship but how they will if they themselves lack these.
-Raheel Lakhani

#31 by Urstruly

However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.

Is there an Islamic law for people who talk big from the comforts of their drawing rooms in foreign lands but are too chicken to live among the very people for whom they advocate these so-called laws? If there is none, I suggest chopping off the balls. These people do not possess the metaphorical balls anyways, so not having the real ones shouldn't make much of a difference.

Re: # 36; Majumdar bhai

I reckon one (hand or foot that is) either side of the hanging process should even things out..........

Urstruly,

(However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.)

Before he is hanged or after he is hanged???

Regards

#29 munir khan was the project leader for the pakistan nuclear bomb. AQ Khan was subcontracted one of 17 steps involved in making a bomb. Being a self-promoter, Khan elbowed his way into publicity (e.g. holding a press conference after the 1998 explosions, when in fact he had been invited to attend the test only after requesting PAEC). I was told this by a PAEC man. The dislike for AQ Khan by the team responsible for actually building the bomb is public knowledge.

AQ Khan became world famous because of his making money for himself by selling Pakistan's nuclear secrets to all buyers, and thus putting the entire national strategic defense in jeopardy. Musharraf has been protecting him and his false image of being the "father of the pakistani nuclear bomb" for reasons best known to Musharraf. Perhaps the truth will now come out.

Munir Khan is another one of the heroes of Pakistan like the Chief Justice who have contributed greatly and without fanfare (of the Musharraf or AQ Khan type) towards strengthening the national defense. He is a true hero of Pakistan who made sure the nation is secure from any attempts by India to overrun the country as it did in 1971.

I dont know why you are trying so hard to defame this unsung national hero. But the truth comes out in time, and your ignorance will be revealed when one day this man's true contributions to Pakistan are made public.

Re: # 33

The same applies to Musharraf.

#31 Posted by Urstruly on March 24, 2008 11:58:16 am

What punishment does Musharraf is eligible for for the murder of hundreds - if not thousands - of Pakistani citizens?

N.B: I think the next of the kin of the victim(s) pardoned Sarabjit.

#31 Posted by Urstruly:

"I don't know why do we have to re-invent the wheel ..."

One is not talking about re-inventing the wheel. One is talking about changing a punctured wheel.

I don't know why do we have to re-invent the wheel everytime we come across a predicament like this. The Islamic law on such kind of prisoners or condemned is very clear:

1. If there is a treaty between the two countries regaqrding exchange of prisoners etc.; obey the treaty first.

2. If there is an international law governing such criminals then obey the law first. According to Geneva Convention, the spies and un-identified foreign fighters do not have immunity from prosecution.

3. In Sarbjeet's case, the condition#2 applies. If he is found convicted of terrorist activities then not only the state but his victims, if alive, or the relatives of the deceased are party to it. If these people take Qisas (blood money)and diyat (compensation for loss of limb or injury) and forgive him, then he cannot be hanged. However, for the crimes committed against state property and infrastructure his left hand and right foot should be chopped off.

President or head of state has no authority to pardon any criminal - none whatsoever.

It should be clear to anyone but the very simple-minded that, as the good Paki authorities keep reminding us, the bomb blasts in Pakiland are the handiwork of Indian spies. This is an inescapable conclusion given the secular and pacifist nature of Paki society.

Small Spies Must be Hanged , While Bigger Ones Prosper

A.Amin


There is great talk now about hanging or not hanging this or that Indian or Pakistani convicted for spying.


Brigadier Tirmizi ex ISIs book profiles of intelligence states that Munir Ahmad Khan Chairman Atomic Energy Commission Pakistan was spying for USA.One of the editorials of Pakistan Times published in 1947 or 48 stated that G.Ahmad brother the first Pakistani Director of Intelligence Bureau a brother of secretary Aziz Ahmad was a British spy.The list is countless.ayub khan also refers in his diaries to the incident that Indian war plan was purchased in late 50s , what gohar ayub in glimpses from corridors of power states was sold by FIELD MARSHALL MANEKSHAW for a gardening set.Another Indian author I read also stated that Manekshaw had links with Brits.All these can be debated but the fact remains that in pakistanb and india only poor border crossers referred to in intelligence terminology are prosecuted.no one has charged anyone for genocide or for any betrayal at higher level. The law is basically for the poor man.in cases of espionage official secrets act of 1923 , no politician bothered to revise this arbitrary british law.Its so arbitraty that a man loitering near any armed forces installations can be hanged.No Pakistani politician made any attempt to change it.Even the Pakistani politicians failed to give the army personnel the basic constitutional right to appeal enjoyed in India.Thus while ZA Bhutto did allow this initially , he immediately took it back once the Attock Conspiracy took place.

If you look at the Pakistani politicians they are 80 % the descendants of those who collaborated with the British in 1857.
Statistics reveal that between 10 to 200 suspects in espionage cases are tortured to death by the armed forces intelligence agencies.No one is prosecuted.There is no record of these tragic victims of outright murder.The excesses committed by Pakistani law enforcement agencies armed forces , civilian intelligence or police can be fairly matched with Indian excesses in Kashmir.Why talk about plebiscite in Kashmir.What about a plebiscite in Balochistan or tribal area.

The grand party of crooks continues since 1947.Malik Riaz gifts expensive houses to army generals many of them sons of rankers and no one talks.But when Captain Babar was mistakenly and falsely convicted of removing a bulb from his office he was dismissed from army.Now we have Corps Commanders called Crore Commanders but they are perfectly respectable.

As I see it now the army and politicians in Pakistan have compromised.So the looting party will start with greater enthusiasm.I doubt if any new government will change anything.Musharraf is a mean mortal.He will go but the nexus of civil military corruption will stay.As long as this state exists.

no court sentenced general afzaal pakistani DMO or Field Marshal Manekshaw or Moraji Desai ex PM India to death.

Notes from Spynest published in many volumes from US documents captured from US Embassy Tehran state that Pakistani boss of military operations,custodian of Pakistani warplan was a US spy.The names include Sahibzada Yaqub also .Gohar Ayub Khan's memoirs state that Indian Chief Manekshaw sold the Indian war plan in 1950s to buy an expenisve gardening set for his wife which was then bought from paki intelligence money.moraji desai ex PM india was said to be a CIA spy.Its all economic . these death sentences for the poor man only.

As I understand that in Pakistan there is no law.One force is the army , another are the feudal-industrial politicians and thats all.Since the country was created by a small franchise not beyond 5 % of the population its a story of crooks looting the country.Basically financed by Muslim business classes from Gujrat and Bombay with support of Punjabi and Muslim feudals who were heavily in debt to Hindus this so called Islamic Republic was haven of all crooks.The situation continues till todate.Now the army generals again mostly lower middle class or middle class social climbers struck a deal with politicians condoning their scams by the so called NRO.This was done by Musharraf not for any idealistic reason but so that he is not prosecuted for his corruption.A magna carta of crooks.