Why not hang Surabjit Singh?

The late Dorab Patel, ... His reasons: human fallibility and faulty legal systems ...

Perhaps not human fallibility, but faulty legal systems are definitely a good argument against the death penalty.

Re: # 1 may be spies and dirty players give 25 years punishment , then people he harmed can employ as servant for 15 years ( no salaray) and then govt of India pay 30 million rupees and same for otherway. So tension does not go up.

But state can execute its citizen. It works look at china there is discpline they on average execute 40 to 60,000/per year. people for crime and its fastest growing economy.Fear is the key which makes people to behave.

Re: # 2 Idea is humilate enemy. Like force him to make food and serve,Dishes, send him to pick up vegetables and cut them wash them, wash laundry by hand. But do not hurt physically , he can eat food after everybody eats and dishes washed. Humilate but do not hurt.

#2 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 22, 2008 1:30:23 pm


they on average execute 40 to 60,000/per year. people for crime and its fastest growing economy.


you killed at least 5 times that in 71...so was your economic growth rate in 71 50%?

Beena, a good piece. And - like all your pieces, backed up well with a lot of facts and figures!

I personally think that the Mushy is unlikely to allow this execution to take place because (1) he benefits nothing or very little from it and (2) the cost in terms of a setback to the process of the thaw will be considerable.

Re: # 4 Please find some thing than old silly childish T shirt commentary. Hope you grow out of jalosy. Same this year is is 2008 and 1971 ie 37 years ago, you may not be in world I was 23 still i forgot but you have just hobby like old man loosing memeory. You only remember T Shirt and 1971 nothing more and nothing less. It sign of premature sign of loosing memoery may be yu can add to your fruit and grass diet some vitamin M ( memory) bring back your memory.

Now if you had read articles about 1971 thing by YLH he proved through indian sources ( some intelliget lady related to some big man Mr. Basu) the killings were multiplied by big "Indian Factor" you know multiplication and not more than many died. Though it is sad people kill each other. Most sad is still you are not ready to grow up stop childish naughty behaviour. Now most have lost charm of your mischiviousness and you have become insult to intelligence decency and if you want to grow up as "NORMAL" you need to get out of your jalousy factor which is worrisome. Now its hard for you to takes orders from managers and get scolded for wasting time and machines of company for paying you full amount and you are wasting time on silly things, you can be forgiven if retired honorably as me ( some times i am afraid you are fired from job and you sit in ittle cyber cafe in little depressed american town as an assistant dusting computers and making tea for white boss and frustruted just write something to amuse yourself than giving good info sprinkled with wisdom as many have done here). Sorry but provokes me by your blocked head and afforont to decency and intelligence and repeated abuse of T shirt story. Stop it , its silly.)
Good luck hope you improve so your parents feel better.

the law is basically for the poor man.in cases of espionage official secrets act of 1923 , no politician bothered to revise this arbitrary british law.

no court sentenced general afzaal pakistani DMO or Field Marshal Manekshaw or Moraji Desai ex PM India to death.

Notes from Spynest published in many volumes from US documents captured from US Embassy Tehran state that Pakistani boss of military operations,custodian of Pakistani warplan was a US spy.The names include Sahibzada Yaqub also .Gohar Ayub Khan's memoirs state that Indian Chief Manekshaw sold the Indian war plan in 1950s to buy an expenisve gardening set for his wife which was then bought from paki intelligence money.moraji desai ex PM india was said to be a CIA spy.

its all economic . these death sentences for the poor man only.

brig tirmizi ex ISIs book profiles of intelligence states that munir ahmad khan chairman atomic energy commission pakistan was spying for USA.One of the editorials of Pakistan Times published in 1947 or 48 stated that G.Ahmad brother of secretary aziz ahmad was a brit spy.the list is countless.ayub khan also refers in his diaries to the incident that Indian war plan was purchased in late 50s , what gohar ayub in glimpses from corridors of power states was sold by FIELD MARSHALL MANEKSHAW for a gardening set.Another Indian author I read also stated that Manekshaw had links with Brits.All these can be debated but the fact remains that in pakistanb and india only poor border crossers referred to in intelligence terminology are prosecuted.no one has charged anyone for genocide or for any betrayal at higher level.

Excellent piece by Farhatullah Babar, PPP spokesman and former senator, in The News, March 21, 2008 -
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=102396

He notes that Sarabjit’s family located him in 2000 (ten years after the arrest) and that the convict said that the prosecution had forced him to admit to a wrong identity. "The Supreme Court dismissed his appeal in August 2005. Unfortunately, our record of convictions on the basis of confessions alone is not very remarkable," says Babar, listing several such cases & pointing out that execution on the basis of confession alone (as in Surabjit's case) can turn out to be a national embarrassment and cast shadows on relations between the two countries.

Babar also notes the strangeness of the timing of Surabjit's execution date announcement "after nearly three years of limbo, and just when a democratic government is to enter office. Let it not be said that it was cynically timed to warn the new government against pursuing its vision of peace in the region. It is one thing when issues of peace are decided behind the scenes by those who want to hang every Indian crossing into Pakistan but quite another when public representatives are asked to pay the political wages for it by making it look like their decision."

Let the man go to his family for crying out loud! In the name of whoever you claim to believe in, a good deed towards another human being is not that much to ask for!

#10 Posted by akcheema,

Atheistic bhai, would you say the same for a bomber Jihadi?

Re: # 11; Zee bhai

Under similar circumstances, with lots of doubts and having no faith in our judicial system, the answer is YES.

I actively participated in the campain for the release of both Aussie citizens, Mamdouh Habib and David Hicks from Guantanamo because I had no faith in the "justice" they might receive.

That is not to say that I had any doubts about the reasons behind their presence in Afghanistan.

#12 Posted by akcheema,

atheistic bhai, this guy is convicted of many bombings killing 14 Pakistanis, including one of planting a bomb on a bicycle in Lohari Gate which caused major deaths and injuries. His only defense is a frivolous one i.e. of mistaken identity which has been closely examined and found to be false - by many courts.

Now, if your David Hicks was guilty of killing 14 aussies (since you're no longer Pakistani so I'll attribute your true loylaties and not say Pakistanis) would you still say about him what you said in #10?

Re: # 13 Zee Bhai

since I live and work in Australia, it is only fair to have some sense of loyalty to the place.

I AM a Pakistani, and like I said somewhere recently here, I do intend to live and work there in the near future

Unfortunately, you and I both know about "convictions" in our part of the world; not to say things are always hunkey dory everywhere else....

I dont know how Manjit planted bombs in both Multan and Lahore at the same time!

Killings innocents is not an exclusive terrain of any group, country or individuals. India/Pakistan does this to each other. Pakistan does in its own country & so does India for her citizens. America does this in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Unfortuately only a few perpetrators are caught in this and sent thru this charade of dispensing justice. Mistaken or otherwise Sarabjit fits in to this category of ppl who was caught int his game of India and Pakistan.

As for death penalty, it's the curiousity aspect that grips us asll whereas Indian/Pakistan police kill ppl routinely in encounters, lock-ups and thru collusions (criminals, anti-social elements). May be we dont protest if Sarabjit is killed by police in India by Indian police in lock-up or encounter.

India is not a paragon of HR virtues.

It's the time we put his behind us and exchange prisoners (not necessarily one2one but state2state) and move ahead. Death penalty debases us as human beings.

If killing 14 ppl is the crime that Sarabjit got to go to gallows, how many death penalties shud Musharraf got to undergo?? Unfortunately, it's the BIGGER criminal (Musharraf) who's deciding the fate of the smaller criminal (Sarabjit).

...we put this behind us...