War of Another Kind

Re: # 284

"It might help to think of Jihad as pursuit of justice. Those 72 virgins, kafir loot etc, if any, are the rewards of pursuing justice through jihad.

So long as the non-Muslim/non-Pakistani world does not become just, Pakistani jihad will not stop. And no war sees continuous live action."

Miyan Kaale Khan,

Can you tell us what is your concept of "injustice" that is different from the ordinary "principles of justice" that is so clearly enshrined in the kafir world's constitutions and laws??

Is it "injustice" when a mushriq like me speaks and ridicules the threats of death that emanate from Quran all the time??

Is is "injustice" when a mushriq like me speaks against the threats from Quran and Mohammad to destroy my idols?

Is it "injustice" when an idolator speak against momeens trying to rape my women and loot my hard earned assets?

Is it "injustice" when I seek the right to build my temples and install new idols in the momeen lands ??

Is it "injustice" when I reject Sunnat as the most regressive of all the 'moral' codes that need to be consigned to dust bin??

Tell us Kaale Khan ji what is your concept of "injustice" that is superior to that enshrined in the code of human rights??

Re: # 283 Eklavya
"I argued that when Pakistanis see injustice outside of Pakistan's boundaries, some of them will rise to actively fight it, when and if they can, or can afford to."

Eklavya I am not sure what the hell you are talking about; I fear you are even less sure on that than I am!

What injustices and what reward?!! What about ALL the injustices going on within the boundaries of Pakistan to its OWN poor, disadvantaged, women etc; you have a very narrow armchair view of the world man!

There are many nations around the world with perceived injustices; they are not using the same tactics; what makes the Muslims so special?

I think you need to decide which side you are on; either openly confess to being a radical Muslim or try not to participate in discussions with such a narrow view point. I went through a big chunk of your recent interacts collectively and guess what? you seem to be a bigger Jihadi then anyone else I have seen on these boards! Be true to yourself and declare where your allegiances lie so we know what the hell we are dealing with!

btw; before this 'nishan-e-manzil' can afford to widen its horizons, it needs to get through the next few years to establish some institutional control over its internal affairs; then to address INTERNAL injustices first before embarking upon EXTERNAL adventures.

It might help to think of Jihad as pursuit of justice. Those 72 virgins, kafir loot etc, if any, are the rewards of pursuing justice through jihad.

So long as the non-Muslim/non-Pakistani world does not become just, Pakistani jihad will not stop. And no war sees continuous live action.

(All this is assuming that Pakistan will continue to be a place where many believers live.)

We have gotten sidetracked into discussing tricky Islamic-unIslamic issues, dr mohar and CA bhai :)

My argumment/suggestion was rather simple - about what we can expect to happen sooner or later. I argued that when Pakistanis see injustice outside of Pakistan's boundaries, some of them will rise to actively fight it, when and if they can, or can afford to.

I reject the view that Pakistanis would FOREVER and totally abandon Jihad as a 'mistake of the past'.

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What injustice is, whether Pakistanis should or should not militarily interfere in the world outside of their geographical boundaries - these issues are simply beyond our ability to hammer out here and, like my or anyone else's personal situation, not even important to the discussion.

Re: # 280

"I for one don't believe that all Muslims want to attack non-Muslims. The inherent Goodness within is very difficult to get rid of, no matter what your beliefs."

Miyan Look Saheb,

You are already a munafiqoon. The seeds of humanism exist in you. The only thing to be seen is whether this humanism can question the actions of your prophet or not?
Can you use this humanism to put the mard-e-momeens and their sunnat under test?
Now question whether "humanism" as a moral world view that puts man at the centre of the universe can ever become part of Islam that puts Allah and his Prophet at the centre and relegates the Kafirs to the dustbin of dhimmitude and consigns mushriqs and idolator hindus like me to Allah's torture chambers??

Please , do question Islam with your humanism. You appear to be a good man.

kaal

cat got your keyboard?... :)

#268 Eklavya,

Fighting injustice doesn't have to mean forgetting one's humanity.

#269

Laddu ji,

I for one don't believe that all Muslims want to attack non-Muslims. The inherent Goodness within is very difficult to get rid of, no matter what your beliefs.

#274 Posted by Eklavya

... will Pakistanis always allow injustice to flourish around the world without doing their part?

Pakistan manzil nahin, nishan-e-manzil hai.

(Gen Retd Hameed Gul)

"if a muslim attacks a non-muslim based on some ill perceived injustice"

braather kaal, who defines the injustice? If a muslim attacks an illperceived injustice and attacks, isn't that circular logic? A concept you are quite defensive about?

And on the flip side - when momins do injustice on your kafir self, what's your plan of action?

Re: # 273 kaal

That's the question. Have you done and/or supported "injustice" to the momins?

pandit ji, that is much better.

As a practical matter, though, if you look through entire history, you will find that wherever and whenever Muslims are accused of attacking non-Muslims, they ALWAYS did so because non-Muslims were UNJUST. The only exceptions might be (and I am not sure of this) in the early days of Allah's message being received, when a sufficient number had to convinced, even if they at first rejected it.

Thereafter it's been a self-propelled, rolling mechanism spreading justice everywhere.

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To return to Mr. Naqvi's article, will Pakistanis always allow injustice to flourish around the world without doing their part? We will have wait and see...

gtg, see ya later, pandit ji.

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mohar11, of course! If I support injustice I will be attacked. Nothing special about me or anyone else.

Re: # 268 kaal

Yep - and the outside world has the right to attack back... which is what happening now - hellfires and daisy-cutters are raining down... momeens are being blasted to heaven in droves...

Question is - what about you personally?... you as an outside kafir person - do you deserve to be personally attacked?

Re: # 268 kaal

Yep - and the outside world has the right to attack back... which is what happening now - hellfires and daisy-cutters are raining down... momeens are being blasted to heaven in droves...

Question is - what about you personally?... you as an outside kafir person - do you deserve to be personally attacked?

Re: # 270

bhaiyya Kale Khan ,

For a momeen nothing is more "unjust" than a kafir rejecting the Quran after having been told about it's 'divinity'!!!
That itself is a reason for liquidation or enslavement as a dhimmi.