War of Another Kind

#220 Posted by tahmed32,

I welcome that double edged sword. There must be justice to all - period. That's the first principle. Everything else is secondary.

zeemax: one of the most interesting things in the pm's program is abolishing the FRC. Another example of a double edged sword - while it provides the people of FATA the same basic rights that the Chief Justice stood up for on the one hand, in doing so it also denies unelected "tribal elders" the "right" to rule as unaccountable, unchecked law-givers.

#215 zeemax: let us indeed hope. you realize of course that the rule of law is a double-edged sword - while one edge has cut musharraf and his lawless kidnappings, the other edge cuts those who attack innocent people whether on 3/11 in pakistan or on 9/11 in the US.

#216 hamidm: i brought up the edhi foundation to counter your claim that pakistani society does not respect human life as an excuse, and in pointing a finger at Pakistan you pointed four at yourself and your pretensions about being part of a civilized society that respects life!!

not to make any claims on my charitable contributions which is what your brought up (and where i am not going to get start bragging about on the internet as you are by implication).

Re: # 217

anil mian,

....... i didn't know there were goats on this forum !!!

First half of my last post (#97) got eaten.

Re: # 214

tahmed,

..... you are the one who brought up the edhi foundation and i accepted your position at face value ..... forget about the past and all the good stuff you have done - if you really believe in the cause here is an opportunity to do some more good ... i will match every dollar you give to him starting right now .......

#210 Posted by tahmed32,

Okay I'm glad you welcome it. It's a great step forward. All your concerns will be laid to rest.

But, the support to GWOT of the hamidm2s will have to end NOW! Otherwise all pacts will be broken.

#212 hamidm: you may be sister teresa herself in real life for all i care. that does not change the logic of what you wrote.

and btw, dont automatically assume you have contributed more to charitable causes than i have - we have been involved regularly in this for the past thirty years. and we can discuss that next time i am in michigan.

#209 Posted by hamidm2,

So it's another Hudabiya? Is that what you're saying?

Well ... I don't think so. I think it's the treaty with the Ansars!

Re: # 207

tahmed,

....... okay, put your money where your mouth is - i will match your contributions to the edhi foundation dollar for dollar and you can match every dollar i give to the fool imran khan ...... deal ?

#195 CreateAlpha: see my response to hamidm below. applies to you as well.

zeemax: greetings. on your question concering my illustrious views wrt the deal offered by the new government to those fighting pakistan army. basically, i think this is the kind of step any reasonable government would take.

However, note its implications: it means they will stop fighting pakistani forces and start respecting the Pakistani laws and constitution - which of course means that they stop harboring those who would be considered criminals in the pakistan constitution in their midst. Who knows where this leads to - but one thing is for sure. This deal carries the dignity of the Pakistani people behind it - it is a different deal than one musharraf was claiming to make (which was basically another example of musharraf being "overclever" to stay in illegal power).

Re: # 208

zeemax,

.... no, 'they' are willing to 'negotiate' because they want to buy time, gather strength, mislead ....... it is the old hudaibiya formula advocated by dr israr - the ultimate aim is the death and destruction of all 'infidels' ...... as you yourself have admitted, for the children of the moon god the end justifies the means ........

#205 Posted by hamidm2,

we both support 'negotiations' with the miscreants if it will reduce the bloodshed and result in the death or capture of the ring leaders .........

Is that why you think they're willing to negotiate?

(P.S. I still want to know how an american white guy can microwave a baby, and that too his own, and that too just for crying too much ...)

hamidm #190 Ok, so it is "society in general" that you are talking about, not the wife of the man who was killed.

And basically what you are saying is that there are two types of societies, ones which care for human life and ones which do not.

Guess which society you belong to? And this despite your having spent years in the society you claim represent respect for life!! And this despite your pretensions to be a "modern man" who can look down from his lofty perch in the US at the "unwashed" in developing countries.

and your view of bleeding men being left to die on Pakistani streets is as much a chimera as the pink elephants you sometimes see. Pakistanis are second to none in the world when it comes to respect for human life - the Edhi foundation alone is a shining example of volunteer service in Pakistan.