War of Another Kind

#109 Posted by masadi,

masadi Mian, have you heard a 'single' bad word about the militants? All you would have heard is that the US and musharraf have made Pakistan into a war zone, no one has blamed the militants. They have all taken to be the effect, not the cause of all this trouble.

This very widespread feeling amongst the Pakistani nation has made not only the Pakistani militray to back off (no less than 1167 militarymen overall have already been withdrawn from civilian posts) but also the US ... forcing them to state that the fate of musharraf is upto the Pakistani Parliament, and the negotiations with FATA are possible.

Who do you think made that possible? Certainly not the Lawyers. They could at max have had the Judiciary released from detention (not re-instated) let alone forced electoral defeat of musharraf's allies and an end of military rule forever. The bombers made that possible.

Loss of innocent life is always regrettable. I have never denied that. Please do not misunderstand me.

Muhatir Muhammad is active again. He has called for a boycott of all Dutch products, in protest over that film, but I don't agree!

As the great Echoboom has written on his thread on 'Chowk Connect' titled ... "jubb GAAND lagi phatnay...Khairaat lagi batnaiy":

"...and strike TeRROR* in their hearts, hunt them down whwhere ever you find them, and slay them..."

*GOOD WORD..adopt it, be proud of it..if the Farangi babboons acknowledge this as well it must have done , at least, some good .

The Dutch film-maker has, unwittingly, has done a great job of bringing the message home to millions of secularoons , munafiquoons & murtadoons of the world.

Re: # 104 Zeemax

1 - The Muslims must and will have a parallel socio-politico-economic system which gives them full sovereignty over their lands and their way of life. This is full implementation of Islamic Law. It doesn't mean isolation. It only means parity, and 'peaceful co-existance' since both systems are fundamentally incompatible and can exist side by side, but cannot be merged together.

Ans: such socio-economic idealism NEVER existed in Islamic history; quote ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE please where such was implemented without opposition within the Ummah through history

That is the same logic Maududi/Syed Qutb etc had; Islam is in danger, survival of civilisation etc etc...I thought it was ALLAH'S CHOSEN GROUP; why should it be SO paranoid about annihilation; especially with all the promises Allah has made to fulfil BEFORE the end of the universe?

2 - It belongs more to my maama than it does yours.

Is that why YOUR brethren, born/bred Brits/Americans or something else blow up THEIR OWN countries' property/life? It is all because of ancestoral links matey; in todays world, it is impossible to have this parallelism you speak of

Why are you so delighted at the 'win' of democrasy in Pakiland? I have not come across a single example from Islamic History where such a system was found compatible with Islam's politics. On what grounds do you say it is good? In Islamic history, the 'Caliph' is the leader of the faithful as well as the leader of the army. Having a General right up there would be far more compatible with Islamism than democracy!

3 - You choose to live off the fat of the land of another as a beggar. I don't

I don't beg; I work and get paid for what I do; no different to doing the same anywhere else, including Pakistan.

This is in sharp contrast to a big majority of your "Jihadis" living in the west on welfare and then trying to undermine it from within!


4 - This is a silly question. It is the same as asking what the Chinese invented in the last 500 years

I thought so; nothing to talk about eh? Wouldn't have anything in the future either! Who's the begger now ...BOY

Beggar of technology....Beggar of Knowledge.....Beggar of resources......Beggar of....................

THAT IS THE PROBLEM YOU FOOL!

btw; next time you come by any western country, take back all the mad rubbish you guys have left behind so we can have TRUELY PARALLEL systems side by side! But you wouldn't do that would you; they are some of main financers of this nonsense, alongwith providing you with idiots for blowing things up now and again.



Khuda Hafiz

Zee what are you talking about, the support for suicide bombings are at the lowest they have ever been in Pakistan post 9/11- the current elections also revealed very clearly what I just said, the people of Pakistan have rejected the evil troika. The only problem is that the military/US methodology wants to expand the problem and they do it by expanding their base in certain areas even though the people as a whole are dead against the militants...

Re: # 25

hamidm,

A little bit of learning from history will be helpful for all the pakistanis, and that needs some one like me.

You have seen bhutto govt, the great exuberence. You have seen it with benazir. You have seen it with Nawaz. You have seen it with mushy, re-read the interacts on chowk when mushy came to power.

Idf all of the above hopes were dashed for teh pakis, there must be something systemic about this. Look whether anything has changed. I do not see anything changed, and no pakistani wants to look for any changes. They are simply hop[ing, the same hope that the jihadis have, 32 houris and heaven.

Take it from me hamidm, the cycle will continue, and teh way gillani is going, the next coup is much nearer than you think.

#116 Posted by masadi,

masadi, I'm not talking about support. Who would support suicide bombings? No one of-course.

All I'm saying is what the same achieved, support or no support, and please understand the distinction.

To borrow from Echoboom - "...and strike TeRROR* in their hearts". They struck TeRROR in the hearts of the oppressors and made them submit.

Re: # 33
tahmed,

Most chowk interactors read my posts, simply for the different view point.

Read my posts about the stupidity of Gillani when all other pakistanis are praising him.

Not may will be reading your posts simply because they are against individuals, mostly name calling.

Read my posts, enlarge them, put it on the wall, and you might...might learn something. You need it.

There are some serious errors of judgements being made based on political impulsions.
1. Repealing of FCR, an issue that can be dealt only by the president (whosoever). There is no alternate in place and what may follow is anarchy a la tribalism.
2. Not moving fast enough on Mush. Ramday's incident indicates the resistance within.
3. MQM and JUI are pro intertia and will reflect negatively.

HP,
Do you imply that those responsible are the Farishtas?

Cheerios

#115 Posted by akcheema,

Ans: such socio-economic idealism NEVER existed in Islamic history; quote ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE

Haha ... Lemme tell you something. In early 18th century one of the geniuses in Europe had predicted that by another 100 years the streets of London, Stockholm etc would be so full of horse manure that it will be impossible for pedestrians to walk. Of-course he didn't know an internal combustion engine will appear. So no argument with him ... same as you.

Point is, you ignoramus, that if something never existed before (though it actually did for some fifty years), it doesn't mean it can never exist!

Rest of your post is all sophomoric crap ... not worthy of comment.

Allah Hafiz (not Khuda hafiz) yet again! hehe

#120 Posted by ijaz_gul,

Repealing of FCR...There is no alternate in place and what may follow is anarchy

And what, Sir, do you believe, is anything in place there now if not anarchy?

BTW ... the PTs (Pakistan Taliban) have announced to end all hostilities in Pakistan unilaterally in response to Gilani's call to lay down arms & negotiate. Is that everyone (except HP/ferozk besides the murtids) wanted or not?

Re: # 121 Zeemax

thought as much.
IT NEVER EXISTED; IT WAS NEVER UNANIMOUS otherwise we wouldn't have the rebellion against Abu Bakar for payment of Zakat etc and above all we wouldn't have the SHIAS!

I say Khuda Hafiz again.

You can appease your arab masters I don't mind; as far as God himself is concerned, if He is much of a God, I am sure He can understand both Persian and Arabic equally well! (or what is the arabic equivalent of 'Hafiz'? by the way; as far I know, your arab masters say "Ma'assalam"!

#124 Posted by akcheema,

Boy, there will always be dissent. No problem. This is why people like Abu Bakr always exist to sort them out. As for Shias, they are staunch Muslims - and they have a genuine view ... which is much appreciated theologically, if not necessarily politically, in the entire Muslim Ummah!

Re "if He is much of a God, I am sure He can understand both Persian and Arabic equally well!" ...

Boy ... He is 'God' ... He doesn't have to do ANYTHING which YOU want him to DO .... sheesh .... you should pay some attention to Kaal's posts! He has more patience than I do!

... but yes ... I guess I missed your point re my insisting on Allah Hafiz instead of Khuda Hafiz. This issue was discussed at length in a most enlightening discussion a while ago (before your entry) with many very valuable contributions by many illustrious interactors. The crux is that, according to Islam, the Islamic God is Allah - not Khuda. And, according to Islam, Allah is unique (Surah e Ikhlas), and cannot be likened to anything, nor even translated. So, 'Allah' Hafiz it is.

Hope that helped.

(P.S. I'm being nice to you because of your promise of aussie kaneezes).

Allah Hafiz.

Wait for Nawaz, he will bring the govt down as soon as mushy goes.

from dawn of today

From Kashmir to Afghanistan to domestic issues central to the life of Pakistanis, we are yet to hear a clear policy statement from Nawaz Sharif, while Asif Zardari has already drawn flak over a Kashmir-related statement and Asfandyar Wali has shown just how partial he is to negotiations and use of a political strategy in the quest for a solution to the so-called problem of terrorism.

Despite these signs of maturity, Nawaz Sharif continues to be fallaciously viewed in circles pretending to be knowledgeable as somewhat of a lesser politician in comparison to some of his counterparts in other par-ties as well as his brother Shahbaz.

Haha ... madrassis are clutching at straws.

Hey hind000s ... have a refreshing drink of cow urine. I think it works like glucose for hind000s!