Surviving Musharraf's Exit?

ajeya, whether kaal is chanakya incarnated or he is a fundo muslim is irrelevant to me. What is relevant is that he started off with equating "unversal truth" with "faith"....nothing he can say after that actually has any value other than to placate the fears of jihadis with his musings of "non-muslims (hindus althought I might be wrong, but on sundays I am right after I watch dancing with the stars) cannot understand muslims (those muslims who are not other muslims but muslims as definied by muslims)" :-)

#481 ajeya: "Why are Paki Muslims boneheaded? Because they believe in "democracy" in an Islamic country."

Oh no. I must be smart and realize that we are doomed to have a dictatorship in Pakistan. Hindus like you are so clever!!

#455 CreateAlpha

You have to understand one thing about Kaalchakra/Ekalavya. He first looks up the definition for "communal" on www.dictionary.com:

com·mu·nal

Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuh-myoon-l, kom-yuh-nl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective

1. used or shared in common by everyone in a group: a communal jug of wine.
2. of, by, or belonging to the people of a community; shared or participated in by the public: communal land; Building the playground was a communal project.
3. pertaining to a commune or a community: communal life.
4. engaged in by or involving two or more communities: communal conflict.

He has picked definition number 4 for his purpose. His point is that in Pakistan, Hindus have been virtually eliminated, so the question of "two or more communities" or communalism, doesn't arise. In India, with a Hindu majority, because minorities are thriving, therefore there is the question of "two or more communities" or communalism.

The boneheaded(see note at the end) Pakis don't see realize this. They are happy to see what they percieve as Hindu-bashing. Hindus on this forum are incensed and keep asking him for a justification. And Kaalchakra/Ekalavya simply sits back and enjoys the whole thing. It validates his belief that, although a "low-caste" hindu, he can hang in there with the "upper-caste" hindus, and even fool them with his "intellectual" double entrendes. This has led to some, like Alephnull, to declare him a "supreme teacher" or the "great master" who keeps posing zen-like questions to all who seek knowledge from "kaalchakra".

The whole thing is very impressive. Except, when pursued by some incensed Paki who has a rare moment of clarity and starts breathing down his neck. That's when Kaalchakra "compromises", and fully agrees with the Paki. To not do so would mean he would be deprived of his favorite pastime. So he does a "Advani praising Jinnah in Pakiland" impersonation for a few posts, and then comes back another day to resume his hobby.

N.B. Why are Paki Muslims boneheaded? Because they believe in "democracy" in an Islamic country.

Re: # 476

Guruji:

"...BTW if I were u once i know the victim I will personally meet the victim in the hospital and pay his hospital bill. Did u do that for the fellow Indian?..."

A twit will remain a twit, but I have done far far more than meet and pay. You are the people who start the fire? Would you let your hands be chopped off, and then have someone come and visit you in the hospital and pay your bill? Don't you realize that it is all after the fact?

You cannot be that ignorant, please stop this nonsense. I have now realized that my posts are way beyond you.

Re: (Eklavya No 452) "Chalta thinks there is no value in religion...."

He is not the only one Kaal. The only option is to completely discredit religious mythology, repeatedly, at every forum possible.

I for one can stand extremists better; with them, one knows where one stands and knows exactly where and who the enemy is. It is these (to quote a favourite writer) "namby pamby, weak tea" multiculturalist and "religion for personal relationship with some deity" crap I can't stand!

These are exactly the individuals that would be ultimately responsible for the survival of this mindset. A good example would be the 'old' Soviet block Central Asia; majority (if not all) of these were 'non-believing' muslims until recently. We are already seeing a resurgence of militancy in the name of Islam there in small pockets. Same in Turkey.

Unfortunately, it is for the rationalists to discredit these mythologies at every opportunity and 'prevent' its penetration into the next generation. Who is to say if I bring my children up as 'socio-cultural' muslims, either them or the generation after won't suddenly 're-interpret' this non-sense in its very original, "exactly how 'God' intended" form!

Re: # 472:
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The beauty is in pluralism and co-existence. Neither will dominate the other. Understand the forces that are shaping Today's India and be part of it. You are fortunate to be part of this India.
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Dharmic people are inherently pluralistic and not just co-existed but celebrated diversity. Economic development is the only salvation. For that Indians should stop visiting this chowk. Good Bye!

BTW who is financing this website?

Anil Bhai and Guru Sahib,
Excuse me, gentlemen, but does the 5 number bus stop here?

Re: # 474:

I am talking about Thakres of 92-93. I do not read news papers. So what u are talking about I do not know.

BTW if I were u once i know the victim I will personally meet the victim in the hospital and pay his hospital bill. Did u do that for the fellow Indian? Stop crocodile tears and making others feel guilty. I know personally Raj from 96 and Balasaheb from 81. More close to Balasaheb.

Are u a SAJA guy?

Re: # 472:

Anil Elderly Coconut,

Elderly NRI are very hard coconuts. Western garbage seeped into their DNA.

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secularism being the biggest reactionary force, and useless.
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Elaborate which one was action? which one was reaction? what do u mean by useless and to whom?

To me Abrahmic religions and the west use religion for imperialism. Where the numbers are not favorable they create minoritism in the name of secularism so that they can sow divisions. Their religions are less spiritual and but more political.

For me the actions were Asuric/Rakshasi ones by Abrahmic folks.
Thakres are belated reactions to them.

Who is financing this site?

Re: # 473

Guruji:

"...Raj has guts what about u? U cannot stop the aggressor and cannot redress the victim...."

If you call that cowardly act as guts. Shame on you. Ten goons taking on one innocent eeking out a living and chopping his hands is criminal act.

Please do not insult the mind that you have with such utterances.

Re: # 468:
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It is good to know India is jelling. I hope it is not jelling in the way of Raj Thackrey and Co. Your fear and biases do as much, even more disservice to Today's India then those attacks at Sankat Mochan. That should not be Today's India, it is all hate, fear and anger.
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Raj has guts what about u? U cannot stop the aggressor and cannot redress the victim.

If the Godhra Muslim culprits were promptly hung and their uncles and Mamus were hung by their balls for a day or two then larger number of innocent Muslims would not have lost their lives else where. For the good of all minorit-ism which is being practiced in the name of secularism has served no one.

BTW are u SAJA journalist?

Re: # 469

Guruji:

"..inherently secular..."

Please read below what I wrote about secularism being the biggest reactionary force, and useless.

There is no need to compare Dharmic or Abrahmic. Such comparisons are useless. The beauty is in pluralism and co-existence. Neither will dominate the other. Understand the forces that are shaping Today's India and be part of it. You are fortunate to be part of this India.

"If you are getting paid...."

Guru bhai, PLEASE, you perhaps are unaware but you are addressing a very respected elder of the site (even if this is a virtual world).

Sometimes, we can just listen, right? Let me reassure you anilji only means us all well.

Re: # 352

hamidm2

Isolating Mqm is part of NS policy to marginalize Musharraf, it has worked in the short term, but is going to backfire in the longer run.

Credit must be given to Zardari for showing political maturity by extending the alliance which will include Mqm. This reconciliatory policy should be all pervasive and also incorporate the Q-League members, this does not mean that they become part of the Govt but simply the "process".

Sheikh Rasheed, Javed Hashmi are seasoned politicians, we should have more of them.

Re: # 465
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I listed your quotes for you and others to see and make your mind.
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That is the problem with words and quotes out of context. If you are getting paid to post here then you are doing a disservice to your master. By doing equal-equal between chalk and cheese, you are definitely screwing yourself with the chalk.

If I say Dharmic folks are inherently secular and Abrahmic religion folks as imperialists, is that bias? Did Dharmic folks attack others for the sake of their faith and exploited them with dhimmi stuff?

Who is financing this site?

Re: # 466

Guruji:

It is good to know India is jelling. I hope it is not jelling in the way of Raj Thackrey and Co. Your fear and biases do as much, even more disservice to Today's India then those attacks at Sankat Mochan. That should not be Today's India, it is all hate, fear and anger.