Color-Blind Love

Dear brothers in faith,

Don't let CHOWK's new look fool you into thinking that some 'new management' has taken over and that things will suddenly improve. If they do at all, let it be known that I have repeatedly requested CHOWK editors to MODERATE and control the RAW-agents who have nothing better to do than analyse Pakistani news and then stoop to abusing Islam and the Prophets by pretending to be interacters!

There is deathly silence at the editor's desk. Surprised? Not only this, they are guilty of killing quite a few of my articles over the years! I beleive, they still have not received the 'security clearance' to publish them.

One door closes but many others will open. CHOWK is not the final frontier; that it has degenerated into a hate-site should not come as a surprise to those who have turned it into one.

One evening's worth of search reveals that these anti-Islam half-humans will not reform. They are nicely linked; most 'kufr' is anyway. That goodnes stands squabbling amongst itself is a sad situation and I expect that born-Muslim interacters here will remember who they are, where they come from, and where they might be headed if they join hands with 'highly-educated satans'.

Indeed, the Qur'an calls all such persons who lapse into utter unbelief 'monkeys' and 'pigs'. Why? Because the outward behaviour and moral decadence begins to resemble that of such animals.

I must thank those who stood up for me, and those who even thought of doing the same but were afraid of being ridiculed or abused.

There are three kinds of men in this world; fighters, collaborators, and traitors.

See where you fit!

Regards.

Re: # 351 Good Morning Mr. Kulharee.Thanks for telling me of coming event.It will be god sent opportunity listen to Pt.Jasraj. After untimely departure of Amirkhan, Bade Gulam aliKhan and now by old age joshi is resting, major laod is carried by Pt. Jasraj as guiding light and teacher.At this time like elder man with wisdom in music he is leading light. He is extremely talented and so much composition. It is heartening to know people like yourself ,care and go for concerts to support great tradition with reverence. I thank people like you as you support music by action. Soon it will be hard to find many listeners. Our music is sublime and subtle and it takes time to even to start realiazing the depth as it is intelluctual.There is major science behind and only technical way one can understand but it can not be good music,when technician and artist of great talent come together a great music starts. At highest level its spritual distillation a amalgation of rivers of emotion, Imagination ( Khayal is very appropriate world not only for Khayal singing but any great raga presentation) and construction.Pundit Jasraj is on throshould of that stage.
Again thanks for supporting artists by action.
Now this Saint John theatere is England or USA . I am confused are you in usa or England.
I am greateful to you and somepeople have been nasty but you kept composed yourself.
Now evolution business it strikes to my mind some areas produce evolve great masters. A small area has given Pt. Joshi, Kumar Gandharva , mrs Gangubai Hangal,Basav Rajguru ,Malikkarjun Mansoor and teacternumber 2 and 3 Mahadev Kund golkar. May be that all earth ,air water id different. ( Mr.Venketesh Kumar a younger with good music is from same area? orMrs laxmiShanker ?)
Pt Jasraj is equally great teacher and he spends hours every day teaching students. Under his guidence great artist is S. Abhykor ( something like that) very sweet voice with great artistic excellence.
Sorry if I wrote in earlier responses you can forgive me.
I am happy some people even after departure from home land enjoy culture it is tough as to enjoy culture one needs tobe cultured.
Good day every body.

Madani Sahib, Pundit Jasraj will be at all-nite concert (may 11)at St. John the Divine. I haven’t missed an all-nit for over 10 years. This year’s line up is phenomenal. I hope to see you there.

Thanks. Person who does not want to be named sent the bandish.
MaruBihag ,Drut Trital Composer Pt.Jasraj

Man Bhavan Aayori Sajaniya
Zanak Rahi Mori Payalia(N)
Preet Piyaki jagi Jiyare
Zanak Rahi mori Payaliya

Probably Pt Jasraj may have done most composition in modern times than any other and not being old there will lot more composition in future.

Now back to our kala gora stuff.
Thanks whole heartedly. ( This olace lot tolearn than just abuseand relieve tensions)

peon sahib: i used to go to bangladesh sahib. i loved the peoples there sahib (like banglabandhu, God rest his secessionis soul, used to say "i loves my pipple, my pipples loves me"). so dont wish them ill, sahib.

dullabhatti (344)

Have you come across grown gora Sikhs yet where you live? I remember the first time my father saw one of those papajis, he was shocked! OdheyaaN Punjabi da pata naeeN. I think you should forget about the goray kids, and focus on the afreekis and the cheenis. Oh, and while you're at it, on the aliens like the vulcans, and klingons and bajorans. :D

Re: # 342

tahmeedi saab, have you got rid of all those Baangladaishis saab?

Re: # 341
Hello dear Kulharee
No not at all, I used those examples only to exemplify the failures of some of the people most successful in many other arenas of life other than the battlefield of their very own households.
I certainly do not mean to voice against the inter-faith or inter-racial marriages, as a matter of fact Islam does encourage inter-cultural, inter-ethnic and inter-racial marriages, but what I am attempting to focus on is immature decisions by people who cant live together in a marriage that they entered due to some worldly attraction or appeal and later come to find that they were not a good match.
As a father I have always encouraged my children to marry by their choice as I don't believe in imposing my proposal for anyone's marriage, I am very much against "arranged" marriages too and what I use as a term instead is "assisted" marriage, even with my own son's and daughter I am very open to hear from them if they have made a choice and if I can assist them and be a part to further with their choice of marriage. Alhamdulillah two of my children are married and I fully permitted them to select and approve their life-mates.
However I admonish them at the onset that they should give their selection a serious thought as the most disliked one thing by Allah SWT among which that HE has lawfully allowed is divorce, so they should be prepared to negotiate and resolve among themselves when they have differences and should not allow spousal differences to become a nuclear war. Alhamdulillah I have a daughter in-law and a son in-law who both have same love for me that my children.
I would not even want to discuss Tahira & Bukhari, its not worth the time and effort.
Hope my explanation clarifies my position on this matter.
Regards

Re: # 343
Hi ana
The examples I use are strictly of failures while I personally am not aware of success stories, oh well I should not say that because yes I do know of real successful that are not stories, at least 3 of them, I know of a Pakistani physician a professor of medicine who has a very good relationship with his Danish wife, I know of another Pakistani who married a German lady and they are like two people and one soul and a third one also a Pakistani Geologist who is married to a Hawaiian lady and again they both were meant for each other as I see it.
All three of these gentlemen that I know personally not only married these ladies because of the charm or appeal but they also contributed positively towards showing the right path to the ladies while the ladies who I would say really loved their life partners learned and understood from them and went to the extent of adopting their faith in real live terms.
Similarly one of my cousin's son who is not anywhere quite as steadfast as the above three gentlemen but God paired him with an American lady of great morals, she lives like she was brought up in the sub-continent when it comes to submission to her silly husband while she is a very highly educated professional herself, so this is love for real.
Like you said in your comments that what attracts you towards marrying a lady is it her looks, her wealth, her fame the green-card or some other worldly attraction you have.
Not implying to be a mullah but I was listening once to a lecture where the scholar mentioned that when you migrate you receive as a result what intention you held within, he resembled migration from one place to another with, migration from one state to another, i.e. going from the state of being single to a married state would also be considered migration, and what you internally wish, is what you receive. This is similar to "one's deeds are dependent on their intentions", if one's intentions are clean, the outcome will also be favorable.
You are right that there are numerous examples of failures of marriages within people of our very own culture & religion.
Sometimes I am amazed when watching Pakistani dramas of today as to how easily divorce & separation is considered.
The challenges in an interfaith and/or inter-racial marriage a lot more than the glamor of being married and it takes a great deal of steadfastness on part of both spouses to make it work.
The reason I noted those failed marriages is not to be negative about interfaith or inter-racial marriages but to use those examples of some of the most successful individuals who failed to negotiate their very own household's integrity.

piyare Qutabudin Kulharee jiyo, you have good kids and a very nice woman as your wife..say my hello to pahbi ji. sometimes I think you stole someone's kids and wife...par chalo..I am on your side in this crime...I am happy for you.

sometimes I think about adopting a gora and a kala kid and rbing them up as sikhs with good punjabi speaking skills, just for a social experiment.:-)

Kulharee,

Race and/or faith can be a factor in divorce, but the examples that Zuber gives do not equal failure in such relationships. You give good examples of marriages that did work in spite of the challenges that must have existed in those as well. And in pointing out marriages that do not work within our own faith, or people, there is an important ingredient missing: that word is part of your title.

This dialogue really is not about those people who marry for green cards, or celebrities who are egotistical idiots, or people who think they've done something special because oh my gawd, gori nuN phansaleya, in my humble opinion. This is about the possibilities of different cultures and different faiths uniting in love and marriage, and the challenges that come with that, and compromises.

Kulharee, beginning your article with Obama's being of mixed ethnicity is interesting because his parents' marriage ended up not working, and Obama has had to find a fine balance in being multiracial. Whether he has found it is something that certain people from both "races" are questioning.

Anyway, we can go on arguing about what the white man has done to us, what we have done to each other, those of us who have seen these marriages work, or come from unions of different faiths and cultures (even poor vs. rich within an ethnicity are different "cultures") can appreciate more than a few points in this article, its detractors aside.

kulharee sahib #334: Alls well that ends well.
on #341 i agree - like i mentioned earlier on this board, some of the most successful marriages i have seen (and this is across 4 generations now!) have been between paksitanis and foreigners.

and i just learnt the other day of this fellow who used to be in school in pakistan with me who was married to a pakistani, spent his whole life in pakistan, and now the wife finally decided she had had enough of him and has taken off with his best friend. (no longer best friend, i guess). So all this talk of cultural problems is bs.

Izuber, do you think race or faith have to do anything with divorce? You are talking about Imran Khan, his marriage would have ended in a divorce even if he had married his own grandmother. The guy is an idiot. Arent there notable Pakistanis such as Faiz Ahmad Faiz, and Feroz Khan Noon, and many more successful interracial marriages, the marriages that will put any marriage to shame. Then there are people like Mustafa Khar who married at least 6 women (slept with god know how many other), divorced each, and all his own race. You must also have heard of Tahira Sayed and how he divorced his wife Naeem Bokhari? And they were both Sayed, directly descended from Hazrat Mohammad Salawasalm Elehe Salam? Do you think that Pakistanis should stick to their own kind, because it is their race(s) that have trouble getting along with non-muslim outsiders. What do you think?

The most important and significant example of failure of such inter-racial relationship (1) Imran Khan & aunt Jemima (2)Princess Di & the egyptian playboy.
The next one coming up to be another legendary one is famous fast baller who is barred from Pak Cricket team I dont even want to name him.
Interfaith marriage the one most important example of that was that of Qaid E Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah and a very sad one too.

Kul yaar, I wore islamic black at my wedding.

I hear tampax wrapped his ammi head to toe with the dhaaga that sticks out of his ass. his ammi became a mummy. :-)

Alphay, I wore a parrot green polyester 3 piece suit from Marks and Spenser, for something that Reja-Md will be proud of me. I hope you also wore something too at yours.

Look at poor Tempax, he ended up marrying his mommy.