Color-Blind Love

And also Masadi,

perhaps you should be reviewing the overwhelming evidence of class based discrimination that is part and parcel of empire building. may i remind you that the irish were not considered white by the british and americans until fairly recently? this issue is much more complex than you admit-race to a very large extent is a false construction, is indefensible as a concept, and is defined by policy.

Re: # 205

Masadi,

I am a fairly outspoken critic of historically entrenched racism and colonialism. However, I think that seriously ignore that classism is as significant an issue to your critiques of societal inequity.

nb #68 have you ever even visited pakistan? so please dont presume things.

later... enough posts for now

neembu writes "Masadi,

Do you think all white people are equally powerful and active members of the norms, values and practice of dominant society?"

I think you need to learn how to read, those that define culture and assign definitions for the vast majority of the world - who have the authority and wealth to do so- want to perpetuate a picture of superior/inferior based on the color line- these definitions are internalized not only by the white folk (except for rejected aberrations who are few and far between) and the colored folk, and reproduced as actual fact in the material world- this ensures that this self-fulfilling prophecy of white superiortiy gets ingrained in social institutions based on definitions that were contrived to begin with. Even when you change laws that proclaimed "seperate but equal" (which were seperate and unequal because of the psyche) the psyche doesn't change- and the lack of that change is shown in indices of social distance like the Bogardus social distance scale in survey after survey, it is shown in race based job segmentation, it is shown by housing segregation indices based on race, it is shown by imprisonment stats, by unemployment rates, by income differentials....now you can take the Kulharee route and just because a white man smiles at his a$$ now and then he says all is fine and dandy and isntead of condemning the racists he becomes a rank racist and blames the "racism" of Malcolm X or labels me a racist; or you can take the educated route of which overwhelming evidence is presented above

Re: # 202 nimbu saab

masadi saab has already explained this in his previous millions of interacts saab. he is only critical of the 'elite' saab

isn't that right masadi saab?

#200 Posted by masadi on April 6, 2008 3:20:06 am

gems from masadi

arab colonialism was good because it was qualitatively different
paki racism is ok because they're only imitating the white man
denying bengalis their rights under the whole idhar hum is ok because that's how democracy works.

Re: # 200

Masadi,

Do you think all white people are equally powerful and active members of the norms, values and practice of dominant society?

Do you think all white people are equal beneficiaries of the institutions, policies and and socio-economic and political processes of the dominant societal structure?

I think you need to be honest about this.

Dedicated to Tampax and his janitor:


"Anonymous Abusers On Internet
Topic started by subroto on Apr 5, 2008 8:21:02 pm
The Organisation of Anonymous Abusers on Internet (TOAAI) has recently expressed dismay at being the target of abuse internet message board.
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According to K2B00Bs' other internet identity SuCKmYD1Ck, the internet was the only option middle-aged men could live their lives productively. I don't know how I'll be able to go on living in the real world with real social skills".


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Ana writes "there are more than a few pakistanis who look down upon the black man, and until those pakistanis get off their high horse, thinking they are superior to the black man, and stop writing songs like "dekho goray ka zamana kabhi hoga na purana""

Of course they will look down upon the black man, what else are they going to do when they are busy trying to imitate their white masters in order to rub off some of his "superiority" in order to develop self worth. The white man gave new definition to color difference in determining worth, translated that socially in the relationships that he governed around the globe into the psyche of his people and the people he ruled over. Now when someone wants to break free from those chains and tell the a-holes that neither their genes nor their societies are any better than ours, these peons of the west come forward and try to compare white racism to the imitation racism of their peons. The white man and his elite have translated their racism into systemic/institutional/global racism as fact in allocating life-chances- in employment, in income, in wealth and in global development- now all the peons who benefit from this setup can do is blame the victims for their own misery as if all of them, of different religions, ethnicities and nationalities, working their butts off yet losing the very little standards of living they had have themselves to blame (because their non-white genes are defective or sub-human). This mindset that the white man has politely institutionalized the globe over is translated into its raw form (minus the bells and whistels and window dressing) in the language used for the coloreds by the common red neck son of a bitch in America....the ones that tahmed worships- i.e. the white man's sh**

Re: # 197

nb, as far as I understand of ancient Greek civillization during the period of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, etc., women were required to cover their hair with "shawls". They were seen as the embodiment of transgression and had to be "contained" in speech, appearance, and personality. Some Greek women friends who are part of Greek Orthodox communities say they find a great deal of similarity with Greek and Muslim orthodox cultural tradition re: the conceptions of the female body, etc.

re: Article
Just read the article. Well written Qutabshahi sahib.

Regards,

Faruk

Dostmittar, no, I did not think of that. The vilayati bahus I have known have done whatever they have been asked to for the few days or weeks they have been in India. Think of Sonia and her head...I'll wait for Kulharee to answer my question. Things certainly have changed with head-covering though; even when I was a child, it was expected of new brides that they would keep their heads covered for at least a few months to a year in front of elders. You really don't see that any more. Obviously, I think that's a good thing, others have the right to their own opinions.

#194 Posted by dost_mittar

...very occasionally, he does slip and writes perfect grammar and punctuation.

Really? Haha. Now I'll search his interacts to see where he let his guard down ...

#192 #194
Sure...if madini saab keep on writing someday would be in league with kafka.

zee#192:

"I wish he would use more punctuations, and paras, so readers don't run out of breath :)"

Ah, but that's part of the personna; very occasionally, he does slip and writes perfect grammar and punctuation.