Bhutto’s Judicial Murder Revisited

Masadi sahib,

(MAJ was nothing compared to ZAB)

Indeed that is true. MAJ (pbuh) created a nation out of nowhere with nothing but a typewriter and an idea in his head. ZAB (helped) cut up a nation into two.

Regards

bjkumar & arjun's many faces continue

to do a disservice

to the Indian cause here on CHOWK.

Sometimes I wonder if they are for real?

Pakistan and Bangladesh are already realities.

Although I can agree that partition was a horror

that could have been handled in a much better manner

for which the Gora was mainly responsible, the

vilification of Jinnah or Gandhi today serves little

purpose. India & Pakistan have to get along period.

On Bangladesh, we continue to be economical with the

facts here on CHOWK.

Bhutto had very little to do with its formation. Both wings

of the country got off on the wrong foot and things

deteriorated from there.

Pakistan lost more than 50% of its population and 70% of

its rich cultural mix in 1971.

I happened to live there till 1971 and someday hope to

write about it. Z.A. Bhutto is always a convenient

scapegoat for everyone. His name gets many powerful

people off the hook and his criticism to this day

is necessary for those seeking to climb the political

ladder where Khakis rule the roost.

It is time to stress India-Pakistan friendship at full

speed. Food shortages are looming and Indians & Pakistanis

cannot live on hype alone.

bjkumar, please keep your "small" comments to yourself.

I visited both India and Pakistan in 2004. The difference

between the two countries is the "smallest" factor that

I could see, with Pakistanis only barely/slightly ahead in

the food department!

Ras

#146 joieya

Jojeya, Jinnah is spelt J-I-N-N-A-H. Thanks.

Re: # 145
Hi bji,
The poisonous views stated down by you are not your own certainly but merely an outcome of one sided propaganda upon which your generation was brought up.
This is quite clear that you are totally ignorant of the subcontinent history and the freedom movement as well while stating Jinah to be responsible for the partition where you totally forget the well know cabinet mission plan that was accepted by Jinah and rejected by his opponents albeit Congress or in other words an alliance of upper caste Hindus to subjugate Muslims and scheduled caste of your community.
Responsibility of the violence lies on Brits primarily. They were the rulers and responsible for the seamless, just transition of power.
The brutal killing of thousands of Muslims in Gujrat was also responsibility of Jinah, right?
Yes, " All men/women are created equal "
But then their minds get plagued with their environment and especially when they do not have courage to broaden their vision and think independently beyond their inherited hatred.

#107 Posted by rf786

My dear rf786, thank you for your well-intentioned advice and even more so for keeping the dialogue civil and polite (unlike a certain weasel-wakeel who descends into name-calling at the drop of a hat)!

Of course, Jinnah did not go about brandishing weapons and killing people. However, he IS responsible for the calamity that was inevitable when partition was decided on. Since the partition was Jinnah’s “gift” to the subcontinent – he must be held accountable for it. It was not as if he had no clue to the violence that was sure to take place – Jinnah, having engineered the “direct action day” and knowing what it led to – was well aware of the consequences of what had taken place at the hands of religious fanatics.

You can keep calling Jinnah “liberal” if you wish. But he was no liberal. Eating pork and having Hindu friends are only superficial signs of what one believes in. Did you know that some of the worst racists from the American history have had black personal friends? That does not detract from the fact that such racists are still racists.

Let’s not worry about how much of India the Jinnah wanted – moth-eaten or otherwise. He DID accept the “moth-eaten” part and perhaps we should be thankful he did not grab the whole!

We can blame the British all we want, but there is no way you can pin Jinnah’s power lust on those folks. No, it was NOT the Britishers’ responsibility to ensure anything once the country was freed up. They were foreigners!

The fault was strictly our own – and in my view, Jinnah, had he used a bit of common sense, would have realized that HE could have done the maximum good under the circumstances by showing a bit of vision and a bit of foresight! He failed. He failed big time and the subcontinent paid for his coming up short!

Instead, he limited himself to being a Mussulman and walked away from the responsibility and the duty that comes from being born in a place – he showed little feeling for his motherland! He worked out to be the ultimate gaddar! And since he is idolized in Pakistan, why should there be any surprise that it has had one gaddar after another! I ask you, if all Mussulmans are insaan first then how can anybody be a good Mussulman if one is not a good insaan first? And how can one be considered a good insaan if one shows such callous disregard for human life and human suffering as Jinnah did. The “vamp” is the only definition that fits that creature!

I was born in India – but I am Amrikkan. I believe in the simple sentence contained in the Declaration of Independence:

“All men are created equal!”

I am convinced that every person in the world should believe in it too. Then the world will be a better place!

Jinnah did not believe in that thought! His thinking was that all Muslims were to be one body and should be treated at par (or above) other “bodies”. This negates the fundamental equality of men.

It is no different from the South African apartheid which treated the white minority as a separate entity whose interests need to be “protected” from that of the majority black! Jinnah wanted “protection” for the Muslims of the subcontinent just like the white South Africans of the past wanted for the white segment!

They did not believe in the equality of man, plain and simple! Nor did Jinnah! They were wrong and so was Jinnah!

It is no different from the slave owners of the pre-civil war America which treated its white population as a separate entity whose interests need to be “protected” from that of the slaves! Jinnah wanted “protection” for the Muslims of the subcontinent just like the slave owners of the pre-civil war America wanted for the white segment!

They did not believe in the equality of man, plain and simple! Nor did Jinnah! They were wrong and so was Jinnah!

The racist analogy is impossible to miss – unless, like that weasel wakeel, one closes one’s eyes firmly!

Re: # 136

Arjun...... Your morbid curiosity is going beyond limits.
You need to calm yourself and ask yourself what are you getting out of such things. Both died as defeated and noody can openly mourn for them as in pakistan Zia would whip and american will shoot. Like in ethos of old standard "Greek" drama a tragedy unfolds due to basic fault of hero even with all heroic attributes. Both were classic examples of that.
Even Americans ( Your president) were ashamed of decapatation of late S.Hussain . But pakistani have done even worst about Bhutto by orders of General Mohammad Ziyya after they brought down his body they checked if he is circumcised and Ziyya was informed and he must have good good satisfiction of hanging proper muslims. In iran Abbas Hoeda PM improsoned was slaughtered and "revolutionaries" displaced and photographed dead body. Najib Ullah met a tragic death. These are very sad and saddistic things.

Most will agree these were very bad treatments there is metophor in death of mr. Christ Jesus. When he was carrying cross people came to help , he refused saying one has to carry his/her own cross. Can we say say same things about ZAB and Hussain ?

I do feel sad for Najib as in worst situation he was trying to help and hold his peole together when all things were disintegrating. As pious almighty fearing person feel as Ziyya , BB, NS and Musharraff all gang instead of helping Afghan people helped Barbarians for Financial gains allmighty is punishing them and pakistan is suffering. Just like good deeds take time to have effect bad deeds take time for Punishments.That is what today violence,shortage of money in peoples pockets ,NRO all stuff , all Haram blood money soft money is coming back to haunt. You can imagine what good things these politicians can do ,It is impossible to think or imagine they will do.
Best way is to keep such things out of site and out of mind.
For sanity of yourself and others start doing other things and do good things.
Good night.

cockroach_5 behenchod,

What is this? Has the cockroach googled yet? No?

#136 Posted by arjun_5, Manto and zeemax

you didn't answer my question: did bhutto's head come off like saddam's when he was hung?

Abey chutya, whose head came off? Saddam or Barzani? C'mon now be a brave cockroach and answer.

haha...inbredretardax is pissed off because his islamic warriors, saddam and ZAB, were slaughtered like pigs...hopefully both were killed because of a push from america..that would make the inbred retards seethe even more with impotent rage...

don't bother with the past..think of the hellfires that are coming for your brothers, sisters

as for the remaining ninja chix..white phosphorus for them..no point wasting hellfires..

... squish sounds more like when you crush a cockroach. I suppose squashing is more appropriate with rats (when their neck is caught in a spring trap).

So please read the post below as squish instead of squash.

Start googling cockroach_5, and let me know the results! I ignored this shit the first time but you pressed me to squash you under my foot.

#137 Posted by akcheema,

'Allah' Hafiz. And remember you've promised a week - no less!

I think cockroach_5's googling abilities are under serious doubt now. After it's Mullah Nazir fiasco, now he doesn't know it wasn't Saddam but Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti whose head came off.

Ohh these cockroaches. Where's the roach-killer aerosol?

Re: # 135; Zeemax

Influenced: yes, brought down to a halt in terms of productivity: No.

I have quoted enough people here, mostly dead now, at various forums to explain and clarify points of contention. That is influence.

One also evolves and improves upon what has been done and said before; not get bogged down into splitting hairs about minutiae.

you mentioned something to do with ZAB's last words; it took tens of posts just to clarify if THAT was exactly what was said or not; I call that a waste of time; there is a difference and I hope I am clear enough in my explanation.

I am a bit rushed between things so gotta go....talk to you soon again....may be sometime next week

Khuda Hafiz

Manto and zeemax

you didn't answer my question: did bhutto's head come off like saddam's when he was hung?

#132 Posted by akcheema,

good or bad these guys are dead.

This is astonishing. You believe dead people are not important? How many dead people have influenced your life and will continue to do so?

Amazing ..... cheema Ji, your naivety/ignorance knows no bounds. That's an extremely sub-sophomoric remark!

Re: # 132
Cheemaji,

Cheers for modus vivendi...Long weekend here...Tomorrow too is a holiday...:)

Have a good Sunday :)