Karamatullah K Ghori April 3, 2008
#1 Posted by zeemax on April 3, 2008 10:26:43 pm
Finish It!
Final words of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto as narrated by Col Rafiuddin, the then Martial-Law Commandant of District Jail, Rawalpindi.
"Yahaan par ek Bhutto nahin, do hain. Ek main hun, ek tum ho"
Z.A. Bhutto addressing a public rally in Lahore.
Rest in Peace.
Final words of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto as narrated by Col Rafiuddin, the then Martial-Law Commandant of District Jail, Rawalpindi.
"Yahaan par ek Bhutto nahin, do hain. Ek main hun, ek tum ho"
Z.A. Bhutto addressing a public rally in Lahore.
Rest in Peace.
#2 Posted by guy_de_bong on April 4, 2008 5:04:49 am
There can't exist any arguement on the brillance and eruditioin of Late Ali Bhutto, the great son of Pakistan. Thus, a wrong policy of Ali Bhutto caused so much damage to Pakistan too! Isn't it Bhutto's stubborness in NOT allowing Late Sheikh Mujib of the then east Pakistan to become the PM of Pakistan that had sown the seeds of sedition? Mind you, Mujib's Awami League won the majority in the parliament in the democratically held election of 1970-71. Ali Bhutto marshalled the Punjabi clique spearheaded by the omnipotent army of Pakistan to deprive the bengalis of their political rights; India merely acted as a catalyst to Bengali fervour! Till today, Ali Butto stands responsible and accused for the genocide in Bangladesh in 1971, for the ceasation of the then east Pakistan ( now Bangladesh) from Pakistan! In any truly democratic country, late Bhutto would have been viled at the very begining for his hatred of bengalis, for enumerating / fashioning wrong poilitics for a country!
Warning: current politicians of Pakistan need to free themselves from the feudal attitude characteristic of Punjabi-Sindhi elite the still rule Pakistan!
Warning: current politicians of Pakistan need to free themselves from the feudal attitude characteristic of Punjabi-Sindhi elite the still rule Pakistan!
#3 Posted by masadi on April 4, 2008 5:52:41 am
Regardless of what manto says (his usual BS), he was the greatest leader we had, possibly the greatest of the lot in that era of revolution sweeping the Third World, never have so many people come to an understanding of their worth as equal players in the national game straight from a feudal/colonized mindset than in the short period when they heard the ZAB speak (regardless of claims of insincerity which apart from being immaterial in this argument is Ad Hominem). That alone is achievement that towers high above the rest, like Everest above the sand castle that MAJ built.
#4 Posted by masadi on April 4, 2008 5:53:19 am
In #3 "he was the greatest leader we had"
he refers to ZAB.
he refers to ZAB.
#5 Posted by masadi on April 4, 2008 5:55:29 am
Zee writes ""Yahaan par ek Bhutto nahin, do hain. Ek main hun, ek tum ho"
Z.A. Bhutto addressing a public rally in Lahore.
Rest in Peace. "
In other words, by slaying Bhutto the Pakistan Army/US were actually slaying the people of Pakistan as a whole- which is quite factual.....they don't give a damn if the whole nation goes to hell as long as their narrow agendas are met...
Z.A. Bhutto addressing a public rally in Lahore.
Rest in Peace. "
In other words, by slaying Bhutto the Pakistan Army/US were actually slaying the people of Pakistan as a whole- which is quite factual.....they don't give a damn if the whole nation goes to hell as long as their narrow agendas are met...
#6 Posted by masadi on April 4, 2008 6:03:57 am
gdb writes "Ali Bhutto marshalled the Punjabi clique spearheaded by the omnipotent army of Pakistan to deprive the bengalis of their political rights; India merely acted as a catalyst to Bengali fervour!"
This is total horse shit. The bengalis political rights were ensured by releasing Mujib whom the military and not ZAB had imprisoned. ZAB merely protected the political rights of his constituents in the West, who were not represented by mujib, in the all or none BS of mujib that was actually a ploy to break the nation down the road, not in two but in many parts...The blame for the breakup lies at the feet of the Pakistan Army and Pakistan Army alone, it was weakened after and not before the surrender to the Indian army. The Pakistan Army doesn't take directions from politicians in Pakistan...if you don't understand this basic premise then you understand zero about Pakistan, spare us the HS, horse shit.
This is total horse shit. The bengalis political rights were ensured by releasing Mujib whom the military and not ZAB had imprisoned. ZAB merely protected the political rights of his constituents in the West, who were not represented by mujib, in the all or none BS of mujib that was actually a ploy to break the nation down the road, not in two but in many parts...The blame for the breakup lies at the feet of the Pakistan Army and Pakistan Army alone, it was weakened after and not before the surrender to the Indian army. The Pakistan Army doesn't take directions from politicians in Pakistan...if you don't understand this basic premise then you understand zero about Pakistan, spare us the HS, horse shit.
#7 Posted by rf786 on April 4, 2008 7:00:44 am
KKG
Good article, Jeeay Bhutto.
Justice demands that we dig Zia's dentures from Islamabad and have them dispatched to the south pole or some place far away from Pakistan.
Good article, Jeeay Bhutto.
Justice demands that we dig Zia's dentures from Islamabad and have them dispatched to the south pole or some place far away from Pakistan.
#8 Posted by MantoLives on April 4, 2008 7:47:17 am
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's judicial murder was one of the greatest tragedies in our country's history. There is much that Bhutto did that one cannot agree with but he was at the end of the day, an elected Prime Minister and a man who was a true patriot who believed in Pakistan and its raison d etre. It is about time that the nation recognized the great patriot that Bhutto was and accept him as a great leader warts and all.
Masadi mian,
I am not sure what your problem is? Did you parents no raise you right or something?
If you think ZAB was better than MAJ, you are entitled to your opinion - I am not sure why it bothers you that I cannot agree with you on this opinion?... besides we know Bhutto himself was Jinnah's greatest fan and remained one till his dying day (Bhutto also admired intensely Kemal Ataturk btw... so Jinnah and Ataturk as Bhutto's heroes - the worst sin I suppose for you). There is no doubt that Bhutto would have been one of the greatest men in history if he had the integrity and honesty and uprightness of Jinnah. Sadly though Bhutto could not rise above his own weaknesses and in the process undid the good that he had done.
My fear is that when history is written, Musharraf is not compared to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, because barring Bhutto, it is Musharraf who has made the most retreats in front of the clergy... just like Bhutto with his ban on alcohol, ahmaddiya legislation, friday as the weekly holiday, ban on pubs, clubs etc... and his reactionary little Islamic Summit Conference of worthless Kings and uniformed dictators from the "Ummah".
I hope Bhutto is remembered instead as the father of Pakistan's constitution and as a great albeit flawed leader.
Masadi mian,
I am not sure what your problem is? Did you parents no raise you right or something?
If you think ZAB was better than MAJ, you are entitled to your opinion - I am not sure why it bothers you that I cannot agree with you on this opinion?... besides we know Bhutto himself was Jinnah's greatest fan and remained one till his dying day (Bhutto also admired intensely Kemal Ataturk btw... so Jinnah and Ataturk as Bhutto's heroes - the worst sin I suppose for you). There is no doubt that Bhutto would have been one of the greatest men in history if he had the integrity and honesty and uprightness of Jinnah. Sadly though Bhutto could not rise above his own weaknesses and in the process undid the good that he had done.
My fear is that when history is written, Musharraf is not compared to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, because barring Bhutto, it is Musharraf who has made the most retreats in front of the clergy... just like Bhutto with his ban on alcohol, ahmaddiya legislation, friday as the weekly holiday, ban on pubs, clubs etc... and his reactionary little Islamic Summit Conference of worthless Kings and uniformed dictators from the "Ummah".
I hope Bhutto is remembered instead as the father of Pakistan's constitution and as a great albeit flawed leader.
#9 Posted by MantoLives on April 4, 2008 8:00:59 am
I am surprised how blind people can be. Only a few days ago an ANP supporter declared that I was not neutral because I was a PPP Jiyala and Bhuttoist.
On the other hand we have this masadi fellow-completely obsessed with me and abusing me for pointing out Bhutto's obvious flaws.
The fault lies with me for being balanced in a world full of extremists.
#10 Posted by MantoLives on April 4, 2008 8:06:47 am
Zeemax,
On a slightly irrelevant issue: the murder of Bhutto's great comrade Hayat Khan Sherpao... I found this very interesting blog on the issue:
http://fiverupees.blogspot.com/2008/03/hayat-khan-sherpao-some-conspir acy.html
What do you make of this? I find the allegations against Bhutto at the end to be hillarious. Do you think it is possible Sherpao and Benazir were in some sort of a relationship?
The court acquitted Asfandyar Wali Khan and other accused. I did not know this. Third part is as hillarious as it is sad.
On a slightly irrelevant issue: the murder of Bhutto's great comrade Hayat Khan Sherpao... I found this very interesting blog on the issue:
http://fiverupees.blogspot.com/2008/03/hayat-khan-sherpao-some-conspir acy.html
What do you make of this? I find the allegations against Bhutto at the end to be hillarious. Do you think it is possible Sherpao and Benazir were in some sort of a relationship?
The court acquitted Asfandyar Wali Khan and other accused. I did not know this. Third part is as hillarious as it is sad.
#12 Posted by masadi on April 4, 2008 8:41:21 am
For the info of the ones who have come late into this ZAB/MAJ discussion, all this was discussed over two or three almost entire threads and the High Priest (not to be mistaken with HP) of the Church of MAJ (Manto) put his tail between his legs and ran off defeated. Now he repeats the same redundant points of the Mullah retreat and other BS when the military/US wanted to undo the entire country using the Mullah as an easy escape to attack socialism as being unIslamic and ZAB understood their shenanigans, he understood their trap, manuvered around it and was therefore murdered because they lost their patience with a man of greater intelligence than they all could collectively muster- the Americans included....MAJ was nothing compared to ZAB- end of story, and I am not interested in discussing anything leave alone ZAB/MAJ with this charlatan and dishonest freak Manto.....and yes my parents raised me very well to think for myself and when they forced me to think their way, I similarly raised hell at home and got into a lot of trouble...but that goes with the turf, freedom and independence is not free neither is it a slogan like the goddamned US elite use it.....now go to hell
#14 Posted by MantoLives on April 4, 2008 8:48:45 am
Dear Masadi,
Claiming something does not make it true. My posts and yours are there. Other than abuse and similar pathetic attacks you have had nothing to contribute. There is no ZAB/MAJ debate outside that head of yours. All of ZAB's true followers are also MAJ to the hilt, as ZAB was himself so.
Claiming something does not make it true. My posts and yours are there. Other than abuse and similar pathetic attacks you have had nothing to contribute. There is no ZAB/MAJ debate outside that head of yours. All of ZAB's true followers are also MAJ to the hilt, as ZAB was himself so.
#15 Posted by MantoLives on April 4, 2008 8:49:42 am
Re: # 14
PS: For the record though it is always you who have run away from the discussion with your tail between your legs after being comprehensively shown to be the worthless idiot that you truly are.
PS: For the record though it is always you who have run away from the discussion with your tail between your legs after being comprehensively shown to be the worthless idiot that you truly are.
#16 Posted by masadi on April 4, 2008 8:51:49 am
Re#14,15- the common cheap sh** as rebuttal that we have come to expect of you...
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