Akbar and Alexander

Re: # 29 Again Humayun had to wear Shia Cap.
In todays daily news about such things.
"What is shocking about Khalid is his origin in a cowherd’s home in an obscure village of Gujrat and his rise as an unaccountably brilliant boy in schools where boys were usually admitted to drop out in short order to swell the local population of boorish Muslims. Boorish because when the partition came and Hindu and Sikh neighbours and friends had to be protected, the Gujjar Muslims of Karariwala Khurd asked them to embrace Islam or die. Khalid was put off by what was happening around him, but advised them to say the kalima and save their lives.

True to reputation, the village boors would not stop there. They asked the newly converted to eat the flesh of cow to prove that they were true Muslims and not just posing. Khalid, born in 1922, had just his got his three gold medals from Government College Lahore for passing BA Honours with a first position in the province when the evil of 1947 took place. He clearly saw it as the Muslims’ darkest hour. When the converts were asked to eat beef, an eighty-year-old Hindu goldsmith got up and tried to put them to shame by narrating how good the Hindus had been as neighbours, but to no avail. They were luckily rescued by the timely arrival of a platoon of Gurkhas who took them away. Gujrat has not produced the best stock of Muslims in the world?"

#28AJay A

I dont know if Akbar killed just b/c one was Hindu/innocent civilian.or It is your genious brain making a theory without

proving
1)Muslimalways kill innocent

2/Non muslims NEVER kill Muslims just B/c they are Muslims..Gujrat ,Hashim pura

3/Innocent are never killed by any other except Muslims

either you are blind with rage for whatever reason or fanatic communalist.

"Uncultured, uncivilized barbarian M*****f****** excrement worms had the AUDACITY to kill innocent civilians JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE HINDUS"

How can be unbiasedly prove that no /not even single innocent civilian were not killed in ANY battle including NOT only ASHOKA'S

YOU are are a ridiculous insane theorist like Hitler .

"May 17: U.S. Rep. Jack Murtha accused U.S. Marines Wednesday of killing innocent Iraqi civilians "in cold blood." NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports from the Pentagon.
Nightly News"

I am not supporting any blood thirsty be it Akbar, Amar or Anthony but kiiling some one of OTHER community is rule not exception Not religous different but within same religion among muslim..Shias /Sunnis and
among Hindus be it sate wise Hindu Killing,lingual .. sikh ONLY b/c they are sikhs?

When ppl. get MAD like you are capable of killing just b/c they are muslims too.

Keep your theory to yourself otherwise apply for P.HD in it at Benares Hindu Univ.
If you substitue Akbar with Govt sponsored like Hujrat Mumbai or Govt anywhere and opponent being of oposite of power of gov. this happens.Ranbir sena kill Dalits ONLY b/c they are Dalits .Proleteriate kill Bourgiose only b/c they are so.....

Just remember every thing comunalism ,riots, slaughter massacre are all equal oppertunity employer .

Re: # 31 Babur was related to Chengizkhan and Timurlane both warrior kings. Dr. Khan ( atom bomb) is related to Muhammad of Gazani. Dr Khan is / was amature archiology? ( Digging for old things logy) and he discoved by accident and was able to trace to his grand father in India.
He is greatest living scientist living like Humayan and insulted by rulers and made him common corroupt theief and forced him to confess by general , the galant man accepted guilt to save skins from American problems. See powerfulperson like AQ khan today they are treating like caged tighter , real tiger of pakistan who made balance of terror to stop war.

Re: # 29 He was not Shia any time. Wise men do that drama ( as you also wrote about your grandfather story and we all feel sad how situation can make human helpless). to save situation one has to lie.
Iran ruler at that time forced him to wear "shia Cap" ( But he did not change faith/sunny) and painters of ruler painted gaily, they adorn old palace and iranian value. Memory is strange and motivating thing. Old gone empire,its failure ruler and iranians getting bouts of joy in pains and privations of emperor.Situation can make people to chage such things. Most Sikhs along indo pak border who were stranded due to vast land holdings jats had choice to become new followers or go to death and loose lands also they choose life.Today they are following new path and religion.
He officially never changed any thing just to keep inranian ruler in good mood he use to wear shia cap. ( Incidently babur was insulted same way by Iranians and he also did that drama for short time he never forgot the treatment he got).
It is not easy to accept such insult, that is reason people do to humilate others and get evil pleasure. Masses also enjoy such things and keep little things as joy in their hearts. You can see such eveil things in arjun.Whenever he gets chance tries to post surrender pictures unnecessarily. This is addiction of evil doing pleasure.

ajeya#28:

That kind of warfare was standard for the mongols. Akbar's non-muslim ancestor, Chengez Khan, followed the same war manual.

You need a very special kind of chutya power-worshipper to rub himself silly over the exploits of marauding cavemen. This is the kind of idiot who fantasizes about being in the presence of such 'greatness', invents daily life anecdotes about such personas and wonders about the 'paradoxes' he says he has discovered and therefore deserve a write up about them.

Very special kind of chutya...

ajmedmadani:

madani saheb, if Akbar's mother was shia and his father also shia at the time of his birth, then why and how did he become sunny? Because if had not done so, most of the subcontinental muslims would be shia today.

#26 dost_mittar

[Don't you think that people can change during their lifetime? Didn't Ashok start out as a violent warrior before the battle of Kalinga?]

Dost-Mitter,

I have said this many times, no Muslim has ever been able to refute it (because it's irrefutable - not because I am providing any extraordinary logic or fact). But after a gap of a few weeks/months, Muslims say the same thing again. This may be because they are blinkered in their way of thinking (how else could you hold a pedophile, serial rapist and serial murderer in such high esteem?).

Here's hoping this time it will be the last (although I'm afraid Muslims are not going to change in their basis thinking abilities).

Okay. Let me try again.

1) Ashoka killed MILLIONS of SOLDIERS in the battlefield. Soldiers who were fighting his army. He NEVER killed a civilian. Akbar, and all Muslim emperors butchered thousands upon thousands of INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

2) Not only that, the CAUSE that these vile Pedophile worshippers butchered the civilians is important. They killed them JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE KAFIRS, AND KILLING THEM IS A HOLY CALLING, AND THEY WERE AMPLY REWARDED BY EMPERORS FOR THAT, INCLUDING AKBAR.

Uncultured, uncivilized barbarian M*****f****** excrement worms had the AUDACITY to kill innocent civilians JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE HINDUS.

The reason Muslims don't see this difference is because they are Muslims, and they dare not use their brains.


[I think that there is a difference between the early Akbar and the latter-day Akbar. As he grew older, he became less and less Muslim and more accomodative to his Hindu subjects. From what I have read, he did abolish jeziya and even banned cow slaughter. He veered from Islam and started his own religion, Din-e-Ilahi, based on elements of both Islam and Hinduism. He alienated the Mullahs who regarded him as an apostate. ]

I have read that too. And if true, he realized what a poison Islam was, and left it for something better. If that is indeed true, he deserves our forgiveness, because a person who has realized the extent of his sins and is truly repentent, is not the same person any more.

But he ONLY deserves forgiveness. NOT praise. Try murdering a thousand people and then realizing your sins. The law will still hang you.

Re: # 24 Akber son of Sunni , son of hhamidabai a shia sheltered by hindu rajah gave
birth at bad times .Then improsined/protected by his own uncle who was blinded by his own father was affected by lot of things, also there good reference he was poisoned by his own son.

Illusions are very powerful than truth and illustions are very inspiring than truth. It is said that salmon fish goes from fresh water to salt water and makes final journey for departure to place he was born. Same way millue and ethos engrained in people in childhood gives habit and character and this predetermines destination. It is closed circle only few can break cycle.This things are in humans blood as sexuality they take over and overdrive.

ajeya:

Don't you think that people can change during their lifetime? Didn't Ashok start out as a violent warrior before the battle of Kalinga?

I think that there is a difference between the early Akbar and the latter-day Akbar. As he grew older, he became less and less Muslim and more accomodative to his Hindu subjects. From what I have read, he did abolish jeziya and even banned cow slaughter. He veered from Islam and started his own religion, Din-e-Ilahi, based on elements of both Islam and Hinduism. He alienated the Mullahs who regarded him as an apostate.

A question for the knowledgeable!

Was Akbar raised as Shia originallly? I am asking this question because Humayun had accepted to become Shia as a condition for accepting the help of Iranians and was probably Shia when Akbar was born. If so, did he become Sunni while under the custodianship of Bairam Khan?

shah2#15:

I do not know where shatranj originated and don't care. But I find it interesting that while both Hindus and Muslims are the sons of the same soil, Hindus try to give India credit for everything and anything while Muslims would deny India credit for anything except for what the Mughals did. Here is the basis for the two nation theory.

Re: # 21; Tahir

Did some one step on your poochhal again today?

Remember, you insult others so be prepared to have the same back!

Now hop along with your poochhal between your legs and do your 'shikayet' to your 'protectors' here; bewakoof na hove te

Re: # 16
Thanking the British is a very 'Q' personality trait. Are you 'Q'?

Regards (non-'Q')

Re: # 16
Who wronged you in your childhood? Tell me and I will axe him/her/it....

Re: # 11
Ajeya,

Have you been bitten by the same king cobra as the other venomous things on CHOWK?

You're worse than some of us who have cooked up the alleged 'right to rule' episode and have not forgiven in over fourteen centuries. You're even worse than the Jews...

Muslims were not the only ones who came to buy property, propose to your distant cousins, and make you submit. First abuse and curse each one of them including the recent colonists.