My Most Memorable Journey

Mohar says - "Leave pakis alone"

Yaar, if you want to leave them alone, why do u come to chowk every day and take pangas with them? Its the same BS that paki uber-nationalists put out that they want to move away from India, even as they go home and watch bollywood movies and listen to himesh reshmaiyaa.

If u went to chinese and iranian web sites as well, then I can buy your argument....but if u only go to paki sites, you are not exactly taking the lead to "leave them alone"....

ranjit, I looked at two prospecti of funds last week, emerging market funds out of Japan and Eastern Europe. Both had Pakistan in the middle east and out of South Asia/Asia proper. It is the perceptive reality. It might even be good to have clear demarcations on culture and economics based on such shift in boundaries.

Ranjit

Man, you are the one who is wrong... "similarities" you see between pakis and hanoods are superficial, only skin deep... but from inside, pakis are pakis... they have nothing common with hanoods...

Leave pakis alone... let them be sisters with bedouins across sands dunes of arabia... :)

Madani sahab,

I want to clarify one thing. I am not overlooking differences between Indians and Pakistanis or hindus and muslims. I recognize that there are significant differences but there are also significant similarities based on our shared roots. People make a mistake of either focusing exclusively on differences or exclusively on similarities. Both approaches are wrong. The right way is to recognize both and have a balanced relationship - keep the borders but make them soft.

Re: # 23 Rangila saab..... Your opinion is right about my mental condition ( you must have observed mental cases).
That is subjective reality of objective mental state , it does not change only different people feel about stupidty only in relative sense. There are people who are bit notch below me like peon of east think I am smart.
Please do not get try to interpreat its all lafengebazi of my mind and just my efforts to improve english combined with deliquency of minor aged intelligence.
I happy to have you noted me, I am going away without any malice , please go in peace and accept my best wishes.
Thanks.

Re: # 13 NR I will ask you to forgive me for my thoughtless outbrusts. I feel I understand underlaying sentiment. They are very primal emotions and they are beautiful. I feel diminished.
Please read my oppology in response #24.

Re: # 21 Thanks mr.Ranjit. I am a man of reflective nature and carefully think about what you wrote. I thank you for your time. It is always my pleasure to react with you and your kind ,can say without hesitation I have learnt lot from many men and women, highly educated, and knowledgable and accomplished with wisom and experience and comments fortified by seeing both sides of world with birds view and many of you give to me new ideas and things to think and reflect. ( I was really angy with peon of the east his naughtynesss , he is really low man atleast peon of west had class , he has no qualification to be peon but should term chaparasi as peon is little higher in position compared chaparasee native.).
You had thoughtful thinking and i just tried to corelate to salmon fish and always tried to think interms of physical needs and how to relATE THIS TO EVOLUTIONARY ASPECT, but we are human instinct to visit old pLaces MAY BE PSYCOLOGICAL OVER POWERING RATIONAL THINKING. Person with interest and speed in pure and applied mathematics something strike me recently related what you wrote in some ways.I was reading some research papers in recent advances in viscoelasticity and rheology and computional aspects/ problems. And complexities of finding solution to series partial differential equations with nonclassical boundary conditions. Problem was boundary conditions were not defined and solution need to be found along with boundary conditions apriory as part of solution. WE c do not know if solution exists if solutions are unique and converge to reasobnable solutions ? When I read your content just flashed back the constitutive relationship proposed by Dr Chtristensen ( resercher at lowrence livermore lab years back of USA , a must book on subject) it involves time/memory integrals. Which can be termed for mathematically handicapped as present state depends on present situation as well as what happened in past. Like simple material rubber goes to initially state, or paints how you put brushes etc. Most will get point.The time integrals are with limit -8 ( -ve infinity) to +ve infinity). Now for all practical problems -infinity reduces to zero.In physical world we can not go back from time we start watch.
Then suddenly in mind flashed metophor -ve infinity related to people desire to see lands , waters and air their long gone ancestors saw and enjoyed. Yes people are more subtle and intelligent and emotional than rubbers and paints and they are affected and attracted to lands their forefather left. So it is fine to revisit and if it can affect better todays situation. But they should not if that going to craete anger and destruction tricky stuff.
In classical material memory theory present is less affected more older past than recent past. But we make for for fun or just as opposite memory materials and never useful. But then it strike human are more complex and strange most materials. Just remember YLH his mind works like opposite to normal material with memory. ( Mr. Gandhi affecting present -vely etc). That strike me in mind how can work strange hypothetical memory material as opposed to mnormal memory materal theories. ( Old past has more effect than present state of things going).
India is complex than most countries.As engineer you people probably know linear/programme ,optimisation it is so simple on paper. But as more varible starts adding they become unmanagable. As classical problems encouterd in gas processing how to mix different crudes ( fronm different sources with different sulphur and acidities , viscocity etc) to get best products. Only way is form coupled equations and solved simultionously and most matrices are 640 X640.and ill conditioned tough even for computers as computers are fast but not subtle and converge to wrong answers. So they collapse into tensor notation wich collase into neat formulation. Complexities in probnlem are of high order.
Then just strike Idea of tensor in my mind and india. Tensor is artificial arrangement of information . THE TENSOR is only depends on location its material property in simple way to just point( x, y, z, heat, temp, electric charge, time) quantity. A state of tensor is always same irrespective , in cartesian coordinate or in special description or in fancy curviliner coordinate system. It does not change only observer feel different depending on his position.But observer feel different.Engineer can understand stress vector different than stress tensor. Stess vector changes as we pick up tangent and normals. For other I will simplyfy further. Tensor componet has temp, and is 100 degree celsus. If observer at 50 degrees then he will say it is 50 degrees hotter. Other observer at 120 say it is 20 degrees cool.
India is multicomplex country and its strange pecularies make very complex tensor. So every body looks things and people look differnt, very in what they say but India is practically invarient like tensor.
Also in classical field problems of maths Del 4th=0, we get good matix with zero vector on otherside leading to eigen values and associated vectors. All are true but only one or to dominate behaviour.
India or any country are complex entities but like tensor most things are invarient. Different people decribe different things all true but never tell whole truth can not tell mathematically.

Thanks peon of east for troubling me.

How do nutcases like Madani allowed on Chowk? Or is that a tongue-in-cheek?

I meant to say - Its all in the heart, Madani Sahab - in the post below.

Madani sahab,

There is a saying - "blood is thicker than water". No matter what you say, the fact is that indians and pakis share almost the same genetic makeup. Basically we are the same people. Pakistanis have tried hard to separate from India. They have tried 60 years of non-stop propaganda, erected a iron curtain where people cannot travel, they have banned books, newspapers, movies etc. Pakistanis have reached out to the middle east and central asia, OIC and every other entity possible to separate from India. They have fought wars with India, declared jihads, fought over kashmir. Sab kuch azmaa liya.

Unfortunately, in spite of all this, Pakistanis cannot resist the call of their genetic makeup. Pakistan is bascally a clone of India with a Islamic exterior. People who travel to both countries cannot distinguish that they are in some other country. Note this happened independently when they had very limited contact. How can you explain this except that it is due to same genes? Pakistanis are addicted to Bollywood and Indian music. This is in spite of all restrictions. How can you explain it? Its all in the hear, Madani sahab. If Pakistanis want, they can watch Iranian movies or Chinese movies or listen to Iranian music. Probably they are more available than Indian movies and music through official channels. Still, ordinary Pakistanis cannot get enough of Indian movies and music. You are yourself listening to Pandit Bhimsen Joshi of Kirana Gharana instead of some Iranian musician. In fact, you probably dont even know any Iranian musician.

Madani sahab, yeh dil ka maamala hai. Its all in the heart and soul of the people. No force can change that. People in Pakistan's NWFP and Baluchistan may look west, but Punjab and Sindh will always look east and that is where most of your population lives. You can force people to do a lot, but you cannot force what they like or dislike. You cannot force Punjabis, Sindhis and Mohajirs to behave like Saudi or Turk, no matter how many centuries you want to try. It is impossible.

The other thing to understand is the Iranians, Saudis and Arabs also do NOT consider Pakistanis to be their own people. They treat you like aliens because you are aliens. They consider you has hindus who have converted and that will never change. Woh aap ko kabhi izzat nahi denge. They will treat you like junk. On the other hand, when Pakistanis travel to India, they are treated like long lost relatives. People hug and kiss them and give them favorable treatment. Pakistani kids are treated free in hospitals. Pakistanis are now getting involved in IT sector in India. So how can you compete with that feeling when people in Iran and Saudi Arabia look at you and want to spit in your face?

Madani sahib, basically India and Pakistan are destined to have good, close relations and nothing can stop that. When the people like each other so much, the artificial boundaries cannot last forever. They will be separate countries but will become like US and Canada, especially with the growth in Indian economy. So it is time that buzurgs like you admit the reality and work towards good relations between the countries. You have tried being separate and being in arms of people in your west. It hasnt worked out. They dont want you and you dont want to be there. So why resist the obvious thing? Your heart is towards the east, not the west.

Re: # 18 Yes I mistook did not knew existience of peon of east.

mad-ani

for once you are right, you pakis should go bedouin full scale - arabs,iraq,ran - those people are your "sisters", that's your culture...

India is evil, don't come here... hinuds will eat you alive, Like their Kaali Ma... :)

Re: # 17

madaani saab, i am peon of the east saab. what more would you like me to be saab?

i am here to uphold the east against all else saab

may be you mistake me for the peon of the west saab?

I am a kalma go musalman saab

Salam saab

Re: # 15 Peon you have reached your nadir in self respect. Only to go down further claim peon of bush and musharraff. Atleast then you have reached limit in peonship. Disgusting.

Re: # 15 I have weakness in that dept but I am old so it is ok. it is not Indian but Hindustani.

Re: # 14

madaani saab, "There is some magic in India but its evil magic."

saab are you not the one who listens to Indian classicos saab?