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My Most Memorable Journey

saman abbasi April 25, 2008

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#46 Posted by ChaudhryMann on June 16, 2009 11:35:35 pm
Very nice article, but much more is needed it seems to be part -I .Please take out some time and write more details.
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#45 Posted by saharanpuri on May 5, 2008 7:37:25 am
#21
Ranjitji,

What a cogent and factual thoughts .These words are not meant to be hidden in an obscure chatroom but to be widely propagated amongst all Indo Pak forums at all levels.Not a single sane hindustani/pakistani is going to disagree.

Keep up the good work Ranjitji.
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#44 Posted by saharanpuri on May 5, 2008 6:54:34 am
Ranjitji,

What a cogent and factual thoughts .These words are not meant to be hidden in an obscure chatroom but to be widely propagated amongst all Indo Pak forums at all levels.Not a single sane hindustani/pakistani is going to disagree.

Keep up the good work Ranjitji.
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#43 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 30, 2008 5:23:35 am
Re: # 41 Ustad Sarahand was court musician at Kabul,beautiful voice. I have mentioned earlier. He use to sing many times Hindustani bols along Pushtu bols and it always worked. He has beautiful devotional bandish in Yamn raga.....Rama baran... This is beautiful bandish quite popular with many sung by Hirabai with her beautiful voice. He was specially honored by Joshi by inviting him to "elite" musical featival in India.
Now your idea Elite college is different than mine. Now IIT or LMSS are ok not bad but problem is they have work hard and also in future work hard.
In real elites college people go to make a statement. They study light subject and they just go as getting to know future rulers by family connection. People who earn money by hardwork can not be elite. Elite is somebody who does not go to study but to socialize. Generally you have problem in India as that all little , no nothing people are getting in power.Their eliteness is phony. Real elites never have to worry how to earn. Now your IIT man / women ( what % are they in IIT at your time and now ?) are nor real elite as they have to work and they have to earn so they are affected if their job lost. .I am for women not not such number which exceed more than 30% in colleges. I am against giving admission just by scores as then women will start dominating colleges by number. My tution experience women students are good but man students are not cost effective and they think they are smart.
There must be colleges where likes of Gandhis, and new leaders children go . Now I need gofor walk but elites is different perception here and there. Like Mrs Gandhi's daughter Mrs Vadera never went to school, some body came to teach her probably or Indiara Gandhi or Mrs Bhutto are real elites they never went to get job. That was good of you to give url , I enjoyed. M Day has good voice. His relative uncle ( K C Dey) was blind but genes are similar. Probably higher age like DM may recall KC Dey. bye. I will some time my idea about who is elite. Good day
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#42 Posted by Ranjit on April 30, 2008 12:32:33 am
Re:ajeya#33
Yaar, why are u so angry with me?....Maine aapka kya bigaara hai?.....if it makes u happy, i salute u as the superior person of superior caste....i am just a lowly sindhi whose grandfather came to India in 1947.....happy now?
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#41 Posted by Ranjit on April 30, 2008 12:17:42 am
Madani sahab,

The IITs are elitist but in a different sort of way. The only way to get in is through an extremely tough competitive exam called JEE (Joint Entrance Exam). Lakhs of people take the test, but only several hundred can get in. There is no back door policy for any politician or elite to get their kid into it. It is entirely merit based. The only exception are the SC/STs who get reservation. The government is now broadening the reservations for other backward castes by increasing the overall seats. But no matter what, everyone gets in via the test.

Once you are in the institution, the elitism comes from the fact that everyone is a top performer from their school. So it is a highly intense, competitive environment. There are a few liberal arts courses that you need to take but mostly it is very rigorous technical education. People outside are in awe of IIT students since it is a collection of the best students in the country.

The good thing is that a lot of IIT students are staying back now or returning back to India, opening businesses and contributing back to Indian society. So the IIT elitism is not resented but welcomed by everyone. It adds to the brand value of India.

By the way, I found some recordings of an outstanding Afghan classical music singer - Ustad Sarahang. He trained in Patiala Gharana and died in the eighties. He was very famous in India, Afghanistan and Pakistan in those days. Please listen to his Raag Lalit and Raag Multani -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evGRe-CIAPQ

and

http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=oQPUtGYeBZM&feature=related
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#40 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 29, 2008 10:40:55 pm
Re: # 39 Thanks mr. Ranjit I will do that.
I some times feel is it right to enjoy culture.
? Is is too elitist ?
Some times feel arts should be elementary elemental so all uninformed even farm labor can enjoy art. The problem with too sofesticated things is most can not understand or intelligent enough to understand and appreciate. Some time things work better with nonelites by choosing common denominator.The thing to appreciate you need understanding , maturity and to appreciate culture one should be cultured. All above things are difficult most of times. This leads to ellitist tendancies which ovbiously wrong attitudes.
One should not be elitist but at same time ignorance is bliss is other extremist.
Problem with ellitist is it makes you unhappy instead of happy.Music and maths are elitist subjects , when I was ignorant was happy and then I begin to understand little began to feel ,began to feel lot , then I really began understand more and then felt I knEw nothing.
I wonder if IIT college are very elitist ( like ned or lahore management science) and have contempt for other colleges ? Or by self concious IIT students are in defensive mood.
In india heard they are doing good by opening thousands of colleges and bringing elite colleges down. Some times greed works well and saved India as education industry is one of high return industry. There is democratization they say (in India)as every member of national assembly has his medical college. P A assembly members has engg college and muncipal elected officials have science and arts colleges.mOST MAKE HUGE MONEY BY SELLING EXAMS 24 HOURS BEFOR.
iT LOOKS all elite people like BB, Bilawal and rajiv, rahul gandhis elites always take economics and politics from foreign countries. Is freign education considered elite and gives age in real things like job and better spouce. Is there lot of corrouption and politicians childen pushed in IIT to get advantage and social status ? Do they teach light subjects BA and masters inh like hindi/urdu, ethinic studies, religious studies etc. I have heard all Indians hate IIT elites but same time want to go there.
THanks sorry for diversion. I will hear now as suggested.
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#39 Posted by Ranjit on April 29, 2008 9:05:24 pm
Madani sahab,

Since you enjoy Bhimsen Joshi, check this out -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa4DxacG7Sw

Its Raag Basant Bahar with Bhimsen Joshi and Manna Dey....
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#38 Posted by Senna on April 29, 2008 5:32:06 pm
#13

'Its so bad Pakistani govt. issues visa with a condition'
Asfik visa is issued by the host country to visitors.In your case its India Govt ristriction unless you r given RESTRICTED passport by pakistan govt.
partition was' much inhuman insanity driven monster created in political forum lab '.

Thank u r self if you have means to visit....
many thousands of ppl. have died on death bed reminiscing of past childhood spent across the borderor or... longing for people dead for them even before death
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#37 Posted by Ras on April 29, 2008 7:24:12 am

Saman Abbasi,

This was a worthy effort towards half a story.

The other half waits perhaps for another time.


On another note I second Ranjit Mian's effort here.

Whenever Indians and Pakistanis leave their egos out

of their interactions, they do discover what they

have in common.
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#36 Posted by peonoftheeast on April 29, 2008 4:37:57 am
Re: # 34

eklavy saab you didnot reply saab. i am sorry i had to get your attention saab

I asked eklavy saab that zeemax munafiq saab says he has had sex recently with women in muscat. I say that is wrong but eklavy saab say it is ok as the girls had good time too.

i ask as Islam stops us from comitting "zina" why it is ok for zeemax to have sex and not others saab?

this is what zeemax saab says
{"Yaar forget it. I just fucked half a dozen hindoo wenches in three holes each last week in Bahrain, Dubai and Muscat. This idiot just wants one Muslim right? So all I'm saying is go ahead and do it."}

this is the conversation with eklavy saab that i had and then he did not reply to,

eklavy saab,

the question was not about what individuals got out saab

question is about moral value saab

for example, is it ok saab if i have sex with zeemax's sister saab without marrying her saab?

as long as she has good time saab and i guarantee that saab

is zeemax saab happy about that saab? you should check with him saab

what is good for him saab is goo for me saab

then he should not bring Quran e Majid into this saab as Quran e Majid clearly talks of this as a moral issue saab and not just individual matter of having good time saab

maybe zeemax saab can reply as i want to make sex with his sister and if i can go ahead or not saab

all i want to know saab if it is ok for zeemax to drink alcohol and have sex outside marriage then why cannot the ordinary man and woman in my country.

there seem to be double standards, no??
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#35 Posted by majumdar on April 28, 2008 10:13:59 pm
Ranjit bhai,

I will not get into the debate of whether Pakis are Ummahites more than desis or the vice versa. Enuff has been said on both sides. Let us just leave it to the Pakis themselves and accept their decision of where they see their future.

Regards
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#34 Posted by Eklavya on April 28, 2008 6:32:14 pm
ajeya # 33, that's just personal nonsense. You know you can do better than that.

Ranjit has a clear argument, which we can accept or reject - that our primary groupings are formed on very human bases of shared language, culture, land, genealogy etc, not religious beliefs or associations. Or that the former can ultimately erase (or narrow) distances created by the latter.

That's all he is saying, and there isn't a reason to totally dismiss that idea. Probably we can arrive at some kind of compromise that allows both these types of demarcations and associations to work simultaneously....

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#33 Posted by ajeya on April 28, 2008 5:18:14 pm
#30 Ranjit (Got into IIT without Quota)

[Mohar says - "Leave pakis alone"

Yaar, if you want to leave them alone, why do u come to chowk every day and take pangas with them? Its the same BS that paki uber-nationalists put out that they want to move away from India, even as they go home and watch bollywood movies and listen to himesh reshmaiyaa.

If u went to chinese and iranian web sites as well, then I can buy your argument....but if u only go to paki sites, you are not exactly taking the lead to "leave them alone".... ]

I think all Indian interactors would do well to listen to what Ranjit has to say. To begin with, he did not get into IIT on a quota. So don't even bring that up. He got in fair and square. This proves that what he is saying is right. If you don't agree with him, it is probably because you yourself did not get in, and even if you did, you got in on a quota, and therefore he is right and you are wrong.

And don't bring up caste. He has already said that he did NOT get in on a SC/ST quota. So don't even try!

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#32 Posted by mohar11 on April 28, 2008 3:29:06 pm
Re: # 29

Yep, there you go... pakis are already on their way into bedouin sisterhood, dream is finally coming true...

And here we have this hanood, Ranjit, dragging them back with his figment of "similarities"... Ha!!!
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#31 Posted by mohar11 on April 28, 2008 3:17:40 pm
ranjit

what are you now - tahmed32?... :)

dude, it's not about me, it's about them, pakis... I am fine with whoever pakis want be sisters with... if they wanna be with hinoods, fine... if they wanna be with bedouins, fine too...

Your insistence on "simillarities" with hanoods drives them nuts... your intention is good, but these people don't see it that way... this "we are same" sentiment from hanoods has been singular reason for why pakis are such a paranoid and insecure bunch... it would be ok if it they leave it like that - but they have chanelled it into all kinds bigotry and jihad against hanoods and india...

Get it?... now stop fooling around with these fools...

As per why I am here - for one, to drive pakis fully into bedouin sisterhood - not that they need any inspiration from anybody... and it's also fun to watch them twist and turn to make that happen...
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#30 Posted by Ranjit on April 28, 2008 12:54:15 pm
Mohar says - "Leave pakis alone"

Yaar, if you want to leave them alone, why do u come to chowk every day and take pangas with them? Its the same BS that paki uber-nationalists put out that they want to move away from India, even as they go home and watch bollywood movies and listen to himesh reshmaiyaa.

If u went to chinese and iranian web sites as well, then I can buy your argument....but if u only go to paki sites, you are not exactly taking the lead to "leave them alone"....
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#29 Posted by CreateAlpha on April 28, 2008 11:38:59 am
ranjit, I looked at two prospecti of funds last week, emerging market funds out of Japan and Eastern Europe. Both had Pakistan in the middle east and out of South Asia/Asia proper. It is the perceptive reality. It might even be good to have clear demarcations on culture and economics based on such shift in boundaries.
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#28 Posted by mohar11 on April 28, 2008 7:38:28 am
Ranjit

Man, you are the one who is wrong... "similarities" you see between pakis and hanoods are superficial, only skin deep... but from inside, pakis are pakis... they have nothing common with hanoods...

Leave pakis alone... let them be sisters with bedouins across sands dunes of arabia... :)
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#27 Posted by Ranjit on April 27, 2008 10:27:57 pm
Madani sahab,

I want to clarify one thing. I am not overlooking differences between Indians and Pakistanis or hindus and muslims. I recognize that there are significant differences but there are also significant similarities based on our shared roots. People make a mistake of either focusing exclusively on differences or exclusively on similarities. Both approaches are wrong. The right way is to recognize both and have a balanced relationship - keep the borders but make them soft.
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#26 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 27, 2008 8:25:51 pm
Re: # 23 Rangila saab..... Your opinion is right about my mental condition ( you must have observed mental cases).
That is subjective reality of objective mental state , it does not change only different people feel about stupidty only in relative sense. There are people who are bit notch below me like peon of east think I am smart.
Please do not get try to interpreat its all lafengebazi of my mind and just my efforts to improve english combined with deliquency of minor aged intelligence.
I happy to have you noted me, I am going away without any malice , please go in peace and accept my best wishes.
Thanks.
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#25 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 27, 2008 7:54:41 pm
Re: # 13 NR I will ask you to forgive me for my thoughtless outbrusts. I feel I understand underlaying sentiment. They are very primal emotions and they are beautiful. I feel diminished.
Please read my oppology in response #24.
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#24 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 27, 2008 7:50:54 pm
Re: # 21 Thanks mr.Ranjit. I am a man of reflective nature and carefully think about what you wrote. I thank you for your time. It is always my pleasure to react with you and your kind ,can say without hesitation I have learnt lot from many men and women, highly educated, and knowledgable and accomplished with wisom and experience and comments fortified by seeing both sides of world with birds view and many of you give to me new ideas and things to think and reflect. ( I was really angy with peon of the east his naughtynesss , he is really low man atleast peon of west had class , he has no qualification to be peon but should term chaparasi as peon is little higher in position compared chaparasee native.).
You had thoughtful thinking and i just tried to corelate to salmon fish and always tried to think interms of physical needs and how to relATE THIS TO EVOLUTIONARY ASPECT, but we are human instinct to visit old pLaces MAY BE PSYCOLOGICAL OVER POWERING RATIONAL THINKING. Person with interest and speed in pure and applied mathematics something strike me recently related what you wrote in some ways.I was reading some research papers in recent advances in viscoelasticity and rheology and computional aspects/ problems. And complexities of finding solution to series partial differential equations with nonclassical boundary conditions. Problem was boundary conditions were not defined and solution need to be found along with boundary conditions apriory as part of solution. WE c do not know if solution exists if solutions are unique and converge to reasobnable solutions ? When I read your content just flashed back the constitutive relationship proposed by Dr Chtristensen ( resercher at lowrence livermore lab years back of USA , a must book on subject) it involves time/memory integrals. Which can be termed for mathematically handicapped as present state depends on present situation as well as what happened in past. Like simple material rubber goes to initially state, or paints how you put brushes etc. Most will get point.The time integrals are with limit -8 ( -ve infinity) to +ve infinity). Now for all practical problems -infinity reduces to zero.In physical world we can not go back from time we start watch.
Then suddenly in mind flashed metophor -ve infinity related to people desire to see lands , waters and air their long gone ancestors saw and enjoyed. Yes people are more subtle and intelligent and emotional than rubbers and paints and they are affected and attracted to lands their forefather left. So it is fine to revisit and if it can affect better todays situation. But they should not if that going to craete anger and destruction tricky stuff.
In classical material memory theory present is less affected more older past than recent past. But we make for for fun or just as opposite memory materials and never useful. But then it strike human are more complex and strange most materials. Just remember YLH his mind works like opposite to normal material with memory. ( Mr. Gandhi affecting present -vely etc). That strike me in mind how can work strange hypothetical memory material as opposed to mnormal memory materal theories. ( Old past has more effect than present state of things going).
India is complex than most countries.As engineer you people probably know linear/programme ,optimisation it is so simple on paper. But as more varible starts adding they become unmanagable. As classical problems encouterd in gas processing how to mix different crudes ( fronm different sources with different sulphur and acidities , viscocity etc) to get best products. Only way is form coupled equations and solved simultionously and most matrices are 640 X640.and ill conditioned tough even for computers as computers are fast but not subtle and converge to wrong answers. So they collapse into tensor notation wich collase into neat formulation. Complexities in probnlem are of high order.
Then just strike Idea of tensor in my mind and india. Tensor is artificial arrangement of information . THE TENSOR is only depends on location its material property in simple way to just point( x, y, z, heat, temp, electric charge, time) quantity. A state of tensor is always same irrespective , in cartesian coordinate or in special description or in fancy curviliner coordinate system. It does not change only observer feel different depending on his position.But observer feel different.Engineer can understand stress vector different than stress tensor. Stess vector changes as we pick up tangent and normals. For other I will simplyfy further. Tensor componet has temp, and is 100 degree celsus. If observer at 50 degrees then he will say it is 50 degrees hotter. Other observer at 120 say it is 20 degrees cool.
India is multicomplex country and its strange pecularies make very complex tensor. So every body looks things and people look differnt, very in what they say but India is practically invarient like tensor.
Also in classical field problems of maths Del 4th=0, we get good matix with zero vector on otherside leading to eigen values and associated vectors. All are true but only one or to dominate behaviour.
India or any country are complex entities but like tensor most things are invarient. Different people decribe different things all true but never tell whole truth can not tell mathematically.

Thanks peon of east for troubling me.
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#23 Posted by rangeela on April 27, 2008 5:01:42 pm
How do nutcases like Madani allowed on Chowk? Or is that a tongue-in-cheek?
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#22 Posted by Ranjit on April 27, 2008 10:28:28 am
I meant to say - Its all in the heart, Madani Sahab - in the post below.
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#21 Posted by Ranjit on April 27, 2008 10:25:12 am
Madani sahab,

There is a saying - "blood is thicker than water". No matter what you say, the fact is that indians and pakis share almost the same genetic makeup. Basically we are the same people. Pakistanis have tried hard to separate from India. They have tried 60 years of non-stop propaganda, erected a iron curtain where people cannot travel, they have banned books, newspapers, movies etc. Pakistanis have reached out to the middle east and central asia, OIC and every other entity possible to separate from India. They have fought wars with India, declared jihads, fought over kashmir. Sab kuch azmaa liya.

Unfortunately, in spite of all this, Pakistanis cannot resist the call of their genetic makeup. Pakistan is bascally a clone of India with a Islamic exterior. People who travel to both countries cannot distinguish that they are in some other country. Note this happened independently when they had very limited contact. How can you explain this except that it is due to same genes? Pakistanis are addicted to Bollywood and Indian music. This is in spite of all restrictions. How can you explain it? Its all in the hear, Madani sahab. If Pakistanis want, they can watch Iranian movies or Chinese movies or listen to Iranian music. Probably they are more available than Indian movies and music through official channels. Still, ordinary Pakistanis cannot get enough of Indian movies and music. You are yourself listening to Pandit Bhimsen Joshi of Kirana Gharana instead of some Iranian musician. In fact, you probably dont even know any Iranian musician.

Madani sahab, yeh dil ka maamala hai. Its all in the heart and soul of the people. No force can change that. People in Pakistan's NWFP and Baluchistan may look west, but Punjab and Sindh will always look east and that is where most of your population lives. You can force people to do a lot, but you cannot force what they like or dislike. You cannot force Punjabis, Sindhis and Mohajirs to behave like Saudi or Turk, no matter how many centuries you want to try. It is impossible.

The other thing to understand is the Iranians, Saudis and Arabs also do NOT consider Pakistanis to be their own people. They treat you like aliens because you are aliens. They consider you has hindus who have converted and that will never change. Woh aap ko kabhi izzat nahi denge. They will treat you like junk. On the other hand, when Pakistanis travel to India, they are treated like long lost relatives. People hug and kiss them and give them favorable treatment. Pakistani kids are treated free in hospitals. Pakistanis are now getting involved in IT sector in India. So how can you compete with that feeling when people in Iran and Saudi Arabia look at you and want to spit in your face?

Madani sahib, basically India and Pakistan are destined to have good, close relations and nothing can stop that. When the people like each other so much, the artificial boundaries cannot last forever. They will be separate countries but will become like US and Canada, especially with the growth in Indian economy. So it is time that buzurgs like you admit the reality and work towards good relations between the countries. You have tried being separate and being in arms of people in your west. It hasnt worked out. They dont want you and you dont want to be there. So why resist the obvious thing? Your heart is towards the east, not the west.
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#20 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 27, 2008 8:38:17 am
Re: # 18 Yes I mistook did not knew existience of peon of east.
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#19 Posted by mohar11 on April 27, 2008 8:18:01 am
mad-ani

for once you are right, you pakis should go bedouin full scale - arabs,iraq,ran - those people are your "sisters", that's your culture...

India is evil, don't come here... hinuds will eat you alive, Like their Kaali Ma... :)
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#18 Posted by peonoftheeast on April 27, 2008 7:12:31 am
Re: # 17

madaani saab, i am peon of the east saab. what more would you like me to be saab?

i am here to uphold the east against all else saab

may be you mistake me for the peon of the west saab?

I am a kalma go musalman saab

Salam saab
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#17 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 27, 2008 7:08:25 am
Re: # 15 Peon you have reached your nadir in self respect. Only to go down further claim peon of bush and musharraff. Atleast then you have reached limit in peonship. Disgusting.
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#16 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 27, 2008 6:49:58 am
Re: # 15 I have weakness in that dept but I am old so it is ok. it is not Indian but Hindustani.
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#15 Posted by peonoftheeast on April 27, 2008 6:37:12 am
Re: # 14

madaani saab, "There is some magic in India but its evil magic."

saab are you not the one who listens to Indian classicos saab?
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#14 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 27, 2008 6:31:28 am
Re: # 13 I respect all . But why this death wish to visit INDIA. Why not our spiritual lands of from where we got elevated from Hindus for better folks , like iran, arab lands, iraq. There is some magic in India but its evil magic. Now for good of every body two nations separated. We are looking towards north and west so please develop interest interest in iran, iraq, afghanistan iran our brother sister countries even our great friend china but why India. French and german look white but they are different nations and people same india and pk look same but its different. Like horse and cow are of same color but they are distinct. Same way two races are different. We should repect our ways and their ways they can not coexist that is reason lead to worlds big slaughter in Punjab and bengal and bangla desh. Even religion can not overcome differences in Ummah. Like iranian is different than iraqi as blood different though they look pale allsemi white. Even people can not overcome race difference after great migration of MQM from India . They are different and better than locals ,though dark but little cut above ib brain power so all trouble. Its all air water and water. Indian water is different same about air. Indians have no sense this hindus have elected 1st freely elected communists and hindu nation has gone communist nepal.Muslims will never accept secularism ans socialism which is is anthema to our mental millue and and ethos. In fact worlod will note if nothing about pakistan but it willbe in golden letters that this state destroyed first socialist republics. To show toomuch curisity is to accept they are better , you should study works by YLH etc to understand Indian democracy is big farce by Indian elites. Familarity willbig problems.NOw all even military people listen to indin movies do you think can army fed on Indian music can fight for Liberation of Kasmir.No all corroupts have just gathered at I-Bad as vultures to pick up contracts and no body giv es damn about Kashmir but all about contracts and just making moneis at any cost. It like oncve man woman devorced they have to forget and move ahead same way we shyould shun India in general and particular. Now parents left India as they felt that land is not worth living their then when children want to go back toindia is insult to them and their ways. In our culture we donot tell parents to shut but ingnore and ambigious but never insult.
Can you explain all this obsession with India. Many even highly educated , foreign living have criticised life style and indian ways.
I request you tokeep india out of sight and soon out of sight except Kashmir let that burn people hearts with patriotism.
Let us say farewell to india and soon India will not be there with all problems going there specially shortage of food.
No point in too much be sentimentalist about gone old stories. Pakistanis should fly like eagle without any reference free of indian gravity. Then only we can sour and feel better at high level than Indian elemental lowy things interest. Unless "indian" is taken out of Pakistani concious it will at as appendix of India and that slavish mentality when pathetic people in europe etc pakistans give name to restaurant as Indian restaraunt and sell alcoholto make money. Money and greed and dreaming of wealth is making us india centris. Why not join rich and rising or aleardy rich and reached their countries like china, iran, saudi arabia. It really making boring of yawning of nostalgic indian percived memories. Better to visit europe than dark continet of south tip od asia india. rest fine. It has become hard to take out "india"of pakistani mind is national tragedy. Good evening and have great sleep. Good sleep should be like sleeping like dead.It feels so good when you have sleep like dead man . When you awake feel like young child. good luck ebverybody.
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#13 Posted by Nikhat on April 27, 2008 3:09:34 am
Indeed a memorable one. Well you have not mentioned much about the place. It seemed kind of short. I want to know more about that place 'Brailley'. How was it? Did you tour more? any other places you remember visiting beside your Mom's birth place. I soooooo .......want to go to India visit my parents's birth place and lot more. Its so bad Pakistani govt. issues visa with a condition to visit any and only three cities of India. And I on the contrary have a huge list of wonderful places to see in India. I need to have multiple visits to satiate my exploration of India.
I did not understand this sentence, I mean the security guard part was fine but why the color of sky? Was it different on the other side of Wahga?
"But everything looked the same except for the color of the sky or the security guards posted on both sides of the border."

Nikhat Riaz
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#12 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 26, 2008 4:44:40 pm
Two shortest stories told for long time from ages.
Story No.1-----He asked her to marry as he loves her she said no, then both went home and lived happily for all life.
Story No2...... He asked her to marry she said why ? But she did and both lived unhappily.

One can change outcomes and all good stories.
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#11 Posted by Urstruly on April 26, 2008 4:17:47 pm
I like the stories with happy endings. All of you came back alive; what more one could ask.
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#10 Posted by nomansiddiqui on April 26, 2008 11:52:52 am
well i think the easiest way to write a content without anybody criticising and every body accepting warmly is ....write any thing about your mother. with due respect I dont think there is any creativity in this article.
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#9 Posted by Delirium on April 26, 2008 9:12:32 am
Absolutely intriguing and captivating! No wonder that was the most memorable journey for it has got every element of excitement, fascination, yearning and sentiment.
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#8 Posted by Ranjit on April 26, 2008 8:55:03 am
Pakis yaaron, just give up your stupid enmity with india.....we know you guys love india in spite of all your nautanki of pretend hatred....just say it aloud and be done with it......it will be quite liberating.... :-)
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#7 Posted by slyder. on April 26, 2008 7:02:44 am
saman, great article and its good that you stopped where you stopped. The harami hingbuze would have done your ma-behen eik if you had continued insulting their Bharat mata by describing the poverty, filth and human misery that you saw there.

BTW, did you notice the Apple iMac tucked in the dhoti of the rickshaw puller, you baised Pakistani!
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#6 Posted by Naqshbandi on April 26, 2008 1:39:50 am
Really nice Saman but I have one complaint...it was far too short! Can we have a part 2 please?! :-)

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#5 Posted by ahmedmadani on April 25, 2008 8:51:01 pm
Those Indians attacked and finish of story when they knew they are from Pakistan. and story begins again.
Arjun and Laddu were were watching.
Eternal cycles and journeys.Same Pathos journey from nothing to nothing.
When you finish once go back and think about yourself what happens.
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#4 Posted by Kulharee on April 25, 2008 7:42:22 pm
Beautiful. The journey continues, and I hope that Surraiiya Bi is healthy and strong to make a lot more trips like that to proudly introduce her grandkids (hopefully with washed faces this time) to their great aunts and uncles and cousins.

Loved it.
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#3 Posted by anil on April 25, 2008 6:04:58 pm
Why did you end it?
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#2 Posted by CreateAlpha on April 25, 2008 6:04:43 pm
Saman, a great and wonderful read. So many questions...begging to be asked.
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#1 Posted by anil on April 25, 2008 6:04:13 pm
Saman:

Wow, touching.

I do not have words to describe the feeling.
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