Moeed Pirzada April 27, 2008
#53 Posted by tahmed32 on April 28, 2008 2:42:42 pm
HP #51 "This is politics not everything will go according to your desires. "
I think there are too many people in Pakistan who dont share the view that this is "politics as usual". Zardari doesnt seem to understand that, just as Musharraf never understood it last year.
Also I think Zardari has made a huge blunder by making it clear that he never meant to live up to his commitment to restoration of the judges. A man who does not keep his word loses his credibility with anyone who is not a total fool, which is the vast majority of people. This is something Zardari doesnt seem to have understood.
Nawaz Sharif and the PMLN leadership on the other hand have stuck to their Bhurbhan promise. And thus earned the people's trust.
So - let us see how Napoleon's famous dictum ("Character is destiny") plays out in the months ahead in Pakistan.
I think there are too many people in Pakistan who dont share the view that this is "politics as usual". Zardari doesnt seem to understand that, just as Musharraf never understood it last year.
Also I think Zardari has made a huge blunder by making it clear that he never meant to live up to his commitment to restoration of the judges. A man who does not keep his word loses his credibility with anyone who is not a total fool, which is the vast majority of people. This is something Zardari doesnt seem to have understood.
Nawaz Sharif and the PMLN leadership on the other hand have stuck to their Bhurbhan promise. And thus earned the people's trust.
So - let us see how Napoleon's famous dictum ("Character is destiny") plays out in the months ahead in Pakistan.
#52 Posted by zeemax on April 28, 2008 2:34:45 pm
#51 Posted by HP
He agreed with NS so he was bound by it. The only thing he has really done is break the agreement
The only thing? Just to break a vital agreement?
But yes, I agree with the rest of your post. Particularly 'So we are headed for a major confrontation...'
He agreed with NS so he was bound by it. The only thing he has really done is break the agreement
The only thing? Just to break a vital agreement?
But yes, I agree with the rest of your post. Particularly 'So we are headed for a major confrontation...'
#51 Posted by HP on April 28, 2008 2:22:04 pm
#50 Posted by zeemax
I just don't see any reason to be sentimental about the whole thing. This is politics not everything will go according to your desires.
He is right the PPP had no mandate with regards to Judges. He agreed with NS so he was bound by it. The only thing he has really done is break the agreement and NS should decide what his new course would be.
I don't agree with the PPP working with MQM in Sindh. In the end it will be a disaster for the PPP. But if NS leaves the govt., Zardari needs other partners.
Lawyers can do it in punjab. As long as Punjab is under NS, they will have a free reign. I also think that if NS decides to split, the punjab govt would be dissolved too.
So we are headed for a major confrontation...
I have already said it is not going to be easy. We are still at 50% mark.
I just don't see any reason to be sentimental about the whole thing. This is politics not everything will go according to your desires.
He is right the PPP had no mandate with regards to Judges. He agreed with NS so he was bound by it. The only thing he has really done is break the agreement and NS should decide what his new course would be.
I don't agree with the PPP working with MQM in Sindh. In the end it will be a disaster for the PPP. But if NS leaves the govt., Zardari needs other partners.
Lawyers can do it in punjab. As long as Punjab is under NS, they will have a free reign. I also think that if NS decides to split, the punjab govt would be dissolved too.
So we are headed for a major confrontation...
I have already said it is not going to be easy. We are still at 50% mark.
#50 Posted by zeemax on April 28, 2008 1:56:57 pm
#46 Posted by HP,
Yes lawyers will hit the streets, and get beaten to a pulp.
And who will help them by blowing apart the policemen who beat the lawyers by shoving their same lathis up their ass? I don't have to give you three guesses for that. Remember what happened outside Lahore High Court.
Didn't have to come to that. This Zardari moron has betrayed the Public mandate, and the retribution will be very severe.
Yes lawyers will hit the streets, and get beaten to a pulp.
And who will help them by blowing apart the policemen who beat the lawyers by shoving their same lathis up their ass? I don't have to give you three guesses for that. Remember what happened outside Lahore High Court.
Didn't have to come to that. This Zardari moron has betrayed the Public mandate, and the retribution will be very severe.
#49 Posted by stuka on April 28, 2008 1:53:58 pm
I have a better idea - Let's exchange Sarabjit for Harbhajan
"Cricket: Harbhajan banned from tournament in slapping row NEW DELHI, April 28 (Reuters): India spinner Harbhajan Singh has been banned for the remainder of a domestic Twenty20 league after he was found guilty on Monday of slapping compatriot Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. Indian Premier League (IPL) Commissioner Lalit Modi told a news conference that the cricketer would be fined all of his match fees from the tournament. The incident happened on Friday, minutes after the Mumbai team captained by Harbhajan lost to Mohali. Television cameras failed to capture the incident but opposition paceman Sreesanth was seen sobbing on live TV. (Posted @ 15:45 PST)"
"Cricket: Harbhajan banned from tournament in slapping row NEW DELHI, April 28 (Reuters): India spinner Harbhajan Singh has been banned for the remainder of a domestic Twenty20 league after he was found guilty on Monday of slapping compatriot Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. Indian Premier League (IPL) Commissioner Lalit Modi told a news conference that the cricketer would be fined all of his match fees from the tournament. The incident happened on Friday, minutes after the Mumbai team captained by Harbhajan lost to Mohali. Television cameras failed to capture the incident but opposition paceman Sreesanth was seen sobbing on live TV. (Posted @ 15:45 PST)"
#48 Posted by stuka on April 28, 2008 1:50:37 pm
"#31 Posted by Urstruly on April 28, 2008 9:12:50 am
My sincere advice to Hindus is that they should make an offer to pay Qisas and Diyat pre-emptively to the next of the kins of sarbjeet's victims. Make them an offer that they ccould not refuse.They must hire lawyers and file a case in supreme court asking for its interference to facilitate Qisas proceedings. "
Sirji, Sarabjit Singh is a Sikh and we are Baniyas. ;)
My sincere advice to Hindus is that they should make an offer to pay Qisas and Diyat pre-emptively to the next of the kins of sarbjeet's victims. Make them an offer that they ccould not refuse.They must hire lawyers and file a case in supreme court asking for its interference to facilitate Qisas proceedings. "
Sirji, Sarabjit Singh is a Sikh and we are Baniyas. ;)
#47 Posted by zeemax on April 28, 2008 1:45:39 pm
#46 Posted by HP,
Did you see the Zardari interview with Dr. Shahid Masood just now? If you didn't, don't miss it on PKpolitics tomorrow. He said many things, and I look forward to your comments WTF this person is doing. He's playing the Sindh card which will break apart the country and wreak havoc on Sindhis and Mohajirs. They will have to sort things between them on their own. Punjab/NWFP will still be fine. How come this guy doesn't realize that?
Did you see the Zardari interview with Dr. Shahid Masood just now? If you didn't, don't miss it on PKpolitics tomorrow. He said many things, and I look forward to your comments WTF this person is doing. He's playing the Sindh card which will break apart the country and wreak havoc on Sindhis and Mohajirs. They will have to sort things between them on their own. Punjab/NWFP will still be fine. How come this guy doesn't realize that?
#46 Posted by HP on April 28, 2008 1:22:52 pm
#40 Posted by zeemax
"HP your comments please. Zardari has said BB's postmortem was done but the report is hidden, and a major power is involved in her murder."
The first part of postmortem is new but the second part is old news. You must have seen my earlier posts on this.
I had a long conversations with couple of people in Pakistan last night. What I understand is that they wanna bring the Judges back but don't want them to have the powers to open cases against Mush baba!
Generally, I think lawyers should hit the streets now. The coalition is under pressure and only the street power can help them.
"HP your comments please. Zardari has said BB's postmortem was done but the report is hidden, and a major power is involved in her murder."
The first part of postmortem is new but the second part is old news. You must have seen my earlier posts on this.
I had a long conversations with couple of people in Pakistan last night. What I understand is that they wanna bring the Judges back but don't want them to have the powers to open cases against Mush baba!
Generally, I think lawyers should hit the streets now. The coalition is under pressure and only the street power can help them.
#45 Posted by zeemax on April 28, 2008 1:08:25 pm
... yeah I missed to mention the idiot said 27,000 MW. He just added a zero. What does the dumb public know anyway.
#44 Posted by zeemax on April 28, 2008 1:05:02 pm
#43 Posted by Urstruly,
I really don't know what to think. WTF has zardari done.
He's complaining about his stupid BMW case for not restoring the judiciary, and claiming credit for producing 27,000 MW of electricity via IPPs in 1994 when I KNOW PERSONALLY as a fact both he and BB took the difference between $660/MW cost and $1,000/MW over-invoiced and charged to the public.
I still have hope in PML-N who will sweep the next elections, but will those ever be held? I doubt anyone will survive this crisis Zardari has brought.
The other option, is well ... as you say, and I have been predicting too, but I hope.
I really don't know what to think. WTF has zardari done.
He's complaining about his stupid BMW case for not restoring the judiciary, and claiming credit for producing 27,000 MW of electricity via IPPs in 1994 when I KNOW PERSONALLY as a fact both he and BB took the difference between $660/MW cost and $1,000/MW over-invoiced and charged to the public.
I still have hope in PML-N who will sweep the next elections, but will those ever be held? I doubt anyone will survive this crisis Zardari has brought.
The other option, is well ... as you say, and I have been predicting too, but I hope.
#43 Posted by Urstruly on April 28, 2008 12:55:11 pm
Re: # 39 Zeemax:
See, I told you so. People of Pakistan do not realize that the deadly mess that our country is in today was created by the very people whom they elect. These 'elected' people have vested interests in keeping Pakistan inefficient, corrupt, and lawless. This chaos has made them some of the richest people in the world. Why would they want to change all this.
I think people of Pakistan's best option is to let Islamists and Talibans weed out these cancers with their guillotines. Unfortunately there remains no easy way for our salvation. Nature has finally run out of all the chances that it has been giving us.
See, I told you so. People of Pakistan do not realize that the deadly mess that our country is in today was created by the very people whom they elect. These 'elected' people have vested interests in keeping Pakistan inefficient, corrupt, and lawless. This chaos has made them some of the richest people in the world. Why would they want to change all this.
I think people of Pakistan's best option is to let Islamists and Talibans weed out these cancers with their guillotines. Unfortunately there remains no easy way for our salvation. Nature has finally run out of all the chances that it has been giving us.
#42 Posted by tahmed32 on April 28, 2008 12:44:09 pm
peonofthewest sahib: i want you to know that it is a great honor to have you mistaken for me. this is like someone accusing me of being the real artist responsible for painting the Mona Lisa, the real author responsible for writing Shakespeare's Tempest.
I realize this mistake has been made by two of the more error-prone gentlemen on chowk (Messrs. masadi and laddu), but it remains nevertheless flattering.
I realize this mistake has been made by two of the more error-prone gentlemen on chowk (Messrs. masadi and laddu), but it remains nevertheless flattering.
#41 Posted by tahmed32 on April 28, 2008 12:38:50 pm
At first Zardari tried gently backing off from his word through cleverness on restoration of the judiciary..broke into a trot..and now has broken into a full-scale gallop to Dubai..and so Hamidm has a new lota to start cheering..
..but wait..PML is in hot persuit of the runaway stallion..
Shahbaz to remind Asif of deadline on judges
By Ahmad Fraz Khan
LAHORE, April 27: A PML-N delegation headed by the party’s president Mian Shahbaz Sharif was to leave for Dubai on Sunday night to ‘remind Mr Asif Ali Zardari of the approaching deadline set for reinstatement of judges’.
..
Sources in the PML-N said Mr Zardari had gone to Dubai with a promise to return home by Sunday afternoon.
“Since he has extended his stay in Dubai, it is necessary for the party (PML-N) to ensure continuity of talks over the issue of reinstatement of judges.
http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/28/top1.htm
..but wait..PML is in hot persuit of the runaway stallion..
Shahbaz to remind Asif of deadline on judges
By Ahmad Fraz Khan
LAHORE, April 27: A PML-N delegation headed by the party’s president Mian Shahbaz Sharif was to leave for Dubai on Sunday night to ‘remind Mr Asif Ali Zardari of the approaching deadline set for reinstatement of judges’.
..
Sources in the PML-N said Mr Zardari had gone to Dubai with a promise to return home by Sunday afternoon.
“Since he has extended his stay in Dubai, it is necessary for the party (PML-N) to ensure continuity of talks over the issue of reinstatement of judges.
http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/28/top1.htm
#40 Posted by zeemax on April 28, 2008 12:35:47 pm
HP your comments please. Zardari has said BB's postmortem was done but the report is hidden, and a major power is involved in her murder.
Breaking news.
Breaking news.
#39 Posted by zeemax on April 28, 2008 12:24:06 pm
Fuck this stupid board. Zardari has backed out from Judiciary's restoration and coalition will fall apart on 30 April. The Mehsuds had sensed it earlier and announced the end to the peace agreement earlier in the day.
The SOB is playing the Sindh card, same as his bitch of a wife. This means musharraf dismissing the parliament.
Guess hamidm2 will still have something to cheer about till guillotines are set up. The clock is ticking VERY fast now.
The SOB is playing the Sindh card, same as his bitch of a wife. This means musharraf dismissing the parliament.
Guess hamidm2 will still have something to cheer about till guillotines are set up. The clock is ticking VERY fast now.
#38 Posted by dost_mittar on April 28, 2008 12:18:00 pm
Urstruly:
Yes, I think that GOI should provide him with legal assistance, although that may be hard because I believe that he probably is a RAW agent even if he did not blast the train.
Yes, I think that GOI should provide him with legal assistance, although that may be hard because I believe that he probably is a RAW agent even if he did not blast the train.
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