Don’t Hang Sarabjeet

I have a better idea - Let's exchange Sarabjit for Harbhajan

"Cricket: Harbhajan banned from tournament in slapping row NEW DELHI, April 28 (Reuters): India spinner Harbhajan Singh has been banned for the remainder of a domestic Twenty20 league after he was found guilty on Monday of slapping compatriot Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. Indian Premier League (IPL) Commissioner Lalit Modi told a news conference that the cricketer would be fined all of his match fees from the tournament. The incident happened on Friday, minutes after the Mumbai team captained by Harbhajan lost to Mohali. Television cameras failed to capture the incident but opposition paceman Sreesanth was seen sobbing on live TV. (Posted @ 15:45 PST)"

#46 Posted by HP,

Yes lawyers will hit the streets, and get beaten to a pulp.

And who will help them by blowing apart the policemen who beat the lawyers by shoving their same lathis up their ass? I don't have to give you three guesses for that. Remember what happened outside Lahore High Court.

Didn't have to come to that. This Zardari moron has betrayed the Public mandate, and the retribution will be very severe.

#50 Posted by zeemax
I just don't see any reason to be sentimental about the whole thing. This is politics not everything will go according to your desires.

He is right the PPP had no mandate with regards to Judges. He agreed with NS so he was bound by it. The only thing he has really done is break the agreement and NS should decide what his new course would be.

I don't agree with the PPP working with MQM in Sindh. In the end it will be a disaster for the PPP. But if NS leaves the govt., Zardari needs other partners.

Lawyers can do it in punjab. As long as Punjab is under NS, they will have a free reign. I also think that if NS decides to split, the punjab govt would be dissolved too.

So we are headed for a major confrontation...

I have already said it is not going to be easy. We are still at 50% mark.

#51 Posted by HP

He agreed with NS so he was bound by it. The only thing he has really done is break the agreement

The only thing? Just to break a vital agreement?

But yes, I agree with the rest of your post. Particularly 'So we are headed for a major confrontation...'

HP #51 "This is politics not everything will go according to your desires. "

I think there are too many people in Pakistan who dont share the view that this is "politics as usual". Zardari doesnt seem to understand that, just as Musharraf never understood it last year.

Also I think Zardari has made a huge blunder by making it clear that he never meant to live up to his commitment to restoration of the judges. A man who does not keep his word loses his credibility with anyone who is not a total fool, which is the vast majority of people. This is something Zardari doesnt seem to have understood.

Nawaz Sharif and the PMLN leadership on the other hand have stuck to their Bhurbhan promise. And thus earned the people's trust.

So - let us see how Napoleon's famous dictum ("Character is destiny") plays out in the months ahead in Pakistan.

jardari is deeply hurt by the judges..he was jailed for 3 years for not paying customs duty on a BMW...this is what he said in a radio interview. there was a lot of emotion in his voice..he said he pleaded 5 times in front of these judges and they did not give him justice. he wants a new set of judges...this is personal.

#54 that would be fine..if he had said aired his grievances in Bhurbhan rather than making false promises at that time.

Like I said - he is making the same mistake as Musharraf made in not understanding the mood of the country. And in trying to be "overclever". Musharraf made one blunder after another last year, and Zardari has just made his first major blunder by making a promise to the nation before TV cameras that he did not intend to keep.

tahmed32,

tahmed, Baitullah Mehsud will hang Zardari upside down. Even you don't realize the consequence of this.

I'll post a pic on UP tomorrow from near Peshawar. Watch it. I've run out of threads today.

..if he had said aired his grievances in Bhurbhan rather than making false promises at that time.

This is very well said.

#56 zeemax: How many votes did Mehsud get in the last elections? :-)

In any case, I think the PML is doing a great job of not letting Zardari get away with being "overclever".

#57 thanks.

Anyhoo - if you pakis need any other reason to let this dude go - we let your 90K pows go, so give us one back... quid pro quo...

#53 Posted by tahmed32
“Also I think Zardari has made a huge blunder by making it clear that he never meant to live up to his commitment to restoration of the judges.”

He did not say that. He said that it will be done thru a package. However, that too is a vague promise and I don’t expect any action on that.

Let me be the devil’s advocate here.

Apparently, the coalition and Pakistan are under tremendous pressure from the Pak army and perhaps the US to keep Mush as president. It seems to me that choice is between Mush and the Judges. You bring Judges in, Judges would go after Mush. Annoying both the US and the army and they may act against the parliament. Where do you go from there?
Remember just the other day the EU secretary firmly and publically said that Musharaf will complete his term…Wasn’t that a strong message for the political parties?
Army is dragging its feet on the Baluchistan issue. Akhtar Mangel is still in jail along with thousands of Baloch nationalist. What is important saving Baluchistan or the Judges?

In reality the Judges issue is just a symbolic issue. Three smaller provinces don’t see it as the primary issue. For NWFP the primary issue is the situation in FATA. For Baluchistan the primary issue is the release of Baloch leaders , workers, withdrawing the army from Baluchistan, and the missing persons. For Sindh, it is about jobs, the law and order, and thousands of unresolved issues. Did you read about how thousands of people swarm the secretariat and ministers offices in Karachi everyday for resolution of problems that were shoved under the rug by the previous govt.?

From the PPP pov, any confrontation over the judges’ issue will not help the country. If the govt. is forcibly dissolved, a great opportunity to help the constituents will be lost in every province but Punjab.

There are two groups in the judges’ issue the PMLn and the Lawyers. The whole thing is a setback for them as they were looking for an easy victory and a grand victory parade in Lahore. That did not happen so they are in for a long haul. I think they should move forward with their plans and come out on the streets. Build pressure the govt wouls use that pressure to get a deal from the army.

As I see it, Zaradri failed to convince the army that Judges are needed and Musharaf is not. Not every issue in politics is resolved. Some issues are used for bargaining, some to fight another day and some for getting to some other things. The MLn and the lawyers wanted the judges back to get Musharaf.

Now they need to figure out how to keep pressure on the PPP and the Parliament to restore the judges and bring Musharaf down thru the Supreme Court.

#58 Posted by tahmed32,

Mehsuds don't ask for votes, nor do they care about these. They talk in the language of bullets and bombs. And you'll see whether the lawyers join them or not.

I don't think PML-N will be able to do much either, even though they would not want to. I think eventually they will join the bullet vote as well.

What else can a person do with zardaris and musharrafs?

#61 Posted by HP,

Why're you avoiding stating that the European Union also said the Karachi election was rigged by MQM?

HP,

Who the eff is zardari to decide whether the judges should be restored or not given whatever pressures. This is what the people voted PPP into power for. USA, Army or not. People want Judiciary restored - period.

But he has spilled it. And he too will be hung for that alongwith musharraf ... side by side.