30 Days in Afghanistan - Dinner Conversations

Re: # 88
Pavo...
"Charas was Halal in any case..."

Alcohol is prohibited and canabis is allowed!!! Canabis have direct pshyco/neuro effects and can damage nervous system permanently. Alcohol, specially after food, is quite good....

masadi: What would I do without you to guide me, O Moses Masadi!!

And yea, O Moses, thou speakest the truth about the devil who would lead men astray..why, only yesterday mephistopheles, appeared in his red tights, eyes burning like coal, and told me I could see the Great White Goddess Helen of Troy in return for taking possession of my soul for all eternity.

This seemed like a good deal to me, so I signed up. And I must say that little bastard kept his side of the bargain, and in no time I was face to face with..the Great White Goddess Herself!!

I started worshipping her right there and then, murmuring the sacred words:

Was this the face that launch'd a thousand ships,
And burnt the topless towers of Ilium?
Sweet Helen, make me immortal with a kiss.
Her lips suck forth my soul: see, where it flies!
Come, Helen, come, give me my soul again.
Here will I dwell, for heaven is in these lips,
And all is dross that is not Helena.
I will be Paris, and for love of thee,
Instead of Troy, shall Wittenberg be sack'd;
And I will combat with weak Menelaus,
And wear thy colours on my plumed crest;
Yea, I will wound Achilles in the heel,
And then return to Helen for a kiss.
O, thou art fairer than the evening air
Clad in the beauty of a thousand stars;
Brighter art thou than flaming Jupiter
When he appear'd to hapless Semele;
More lovely than the monarch of the sky
In wanton Arethusa's azur'd arms;
And none but thou shalt be my paramour!

g'night


p.s tahmed: look deep into your own soul and see what you have become by unconditionally worshipping the white man and selling your soul to the devil....yeah think about it and you can thank me later for reminding you to do so....

hamid writes ".... thanks for revealing the hypocrisy of the afghans...."

No hypocrisy can top the foreign policy hypocrisy of the US elite, the "freedom and democracy" pushers....

hamid, sage of the sewer rats writes ".... you fool! ... the man has been living in kabul for many years"

You have been living in the US for longer than he has been living in Kabul, yet your caricature of the US public and US society is far removed from the reality that social surveys and statistics reveal. His caricature is based on "whim (and self) guided mega over generalization", all santized by another mega generalization to top the first one by claiming that its only "human"- meaning "globe over" all through history past, present and future.....now do you see what a goddamned absurd post he made?

Re: # 93

masadi,

.... you fool! ... the man has been living in kabul for many years; if he doesn't know afghans then who does? .... you? .... and how do you know what a common afghan likes ?.... don't tell us - that is disgusting !

pavo sahib,

.... thanks for revealing the hypocrisy of the afghans (and moslems in general) with your first hand account of their miserable lives ...... is it also true that homosexualtiy is acceptable in afghanistan and is considered to be halal ? ....... i have heard that most afghan men lusted after leonardo dicaprio when he was younger .. is that true? .... is it safe for a hetrosexual man and sheep in afghanistan ?

pavocavalry: #88 I was going to point out to you what masadi has already pointed out - that "womanizing" and seeking other bodily pleasures is certainly part of being human, but it is the animal part of of being human.

You need to at some point to focus on the other part - namely, what differentiates humans from other animals - namely, the ability to think rationally. Until someone does that, he remains not part-animal, but complete animal.

correction #91, "First you have no clue what the "average afghan likes

later...

Pavo writes "to add further the average afghan likes to drink and to womanaise .its human ..."

A totally ignorant comment. First you have no clue what the "average afghan writes", you haven't picked a random sample and then asked them about their likes and dislikes. You have just witnessed and talked to a few that happened to run into you and generalized in a most unscientific manner from that. Further to drink and womanize, in other words to maximize your pleasure (instinct) without concern for consequences is not "human", it might befit an animal who is further retarded. Humans are unique in self reflection, coming up with social norms and values and channeling their desires through them to produce uniformity and organization. The brain moreso than the di** defines what is "human"...idiot

Army apologist Leadenwinter writes "The very word "alcohol" is derived from Arabic, as it was Abassid muslims, (the scientist Jabir ibn Hayyaan) who actually invented the distillation of ethanol fit for human consumption.... the word "khamer" as mentioned in the quran was held to strictly refer only to fermented grapes Part of the circumstances which led to such discovery was was because the word "khamer" as mentioned in the quran was held to strictly refer only to fermented grapes rather than any other beverage."


A most absurd rationalization trying to legitimize the use of synthetically produced intoxicants by refering to the Quran. The origin of the word Khamr is khamara which means to conceal or cover, and refers to intoxicants that cover or block (Sakara) the senses. It does not only refer to grape (and date based which he doesn't know also existed at the time) wine but to all varieties including synthetically produced intoxicants, further the origin of the word Alcohol, even though it is Arabic had nothing to do with the connection this person is fictitiously coming up with, Alcohol was mostly used for medicinal purposes in medieval Arab society when produced through the distillation process .

Now, as the Quran clearly states its harms are much worse than its benefits and that is what we find both biologically for the individual and socially for a society.
Here is an old article http://alcohol.rationalreality.com

Just because you cannot control your desire for escape does not mean you should try to legitimize your own weakness and then drug dependency and addiction through the Quran. Your example of "Muslims have used it througout history" is also quite pathetic, since the largest numbers of alcohol avoiders in the world also happen to be Muslim. If drugs like Cocaine, heroin etc were legalized today and started selling on every newsstand, their consumption would definitely go up, and in the case of alcohol so would the assorted problems associated with this substance which includes as part and parcel of its nature, substance abuse given its addictive nature...

Dear Naeem Randhawa

By your own admission its clear you were the odd one out, while others were enjoying each others civil company there you were smug and disrespectful of their right to enjoy.

to add further the average afghan likes to drink and to womanaise .its human . even some talibs i know personally and who were my sub contractors on USAID projects in Helmand and Ghazni did not mind a drink.Charas was Halal in any case.Its Afghanistan's national past time.I must add that in last four years 95 % of guys i had hard drinks with were afghans.they said their prayers also and were not rich but also drank their alchohol.mind you i am living in Afghan area and walking on the street.i was never confined to any compound with rules and curfew regulations.also it is interesting to note that no khalqi or parchami minister of 1978-2002 has any dirty money as the so called mujahids have.drinking has little connection with honesty.

i have lived in kabul since 2004.not in a compoun but in a house near shahr e nau.i have found that most afghans like to drink.if they cannot afford foreign stuff they buy industrial alchohol called navazh do shash manufactured in state run factory on jalalabad road . a half litre bottle was 100 afghanis in 2006.This 96 % is heavily diluted and can last for two days to a week if heavily diluted.In 2007 after furor raised by jihadis in parliament the factory was closed .many afghans make desi sharab called " Wattani" in farsi.In police nearly 45 to 50 % people drink.charas is a favourite one and very cheap.US Army and NATO forces are not allowed hard liquor but only beer and wine but they do manage it.Supreme the duty free shop offering very reasonable alchohol rates was banned for most countries excluding some diplomats in October 2006 after propaganda by talibs/hikmatyar for all countries except some diplomats.
I found the pakistanis generally unadventurous not going out of compiunds.But in 2004-2005 i did have some american friends who ventured out defying the curfew and went everywhere.now in 2008 generally most foreigners are paranoid and not leaving their compounds.off course i do not live in any compound as i have my own company.

#85, My apologies - wrong board. Please carry on. Ghol Makhora.

#56 Atif {"Zeemax / Salim - I think I have lost you guys in this cryptic talk of chains and necklaces. But "jeweler by copulation" is an interesting term."}

Teefay,
While you were enjoying the First Class lounge at Quaid-e-Azam International, some of us were busy counting Zeemux's beads as he was passing them out to every Radha, Usha, and Pooja. :) Then we found out that the free gold necklaces were neither real nor free.

#83.. :) yeah they did .. even the kids got beer in ancient egypt.. though they say it was rather sweet, thick and not very bubbly..at an interesting 6-8%.... a bit like Muree Classic.. and caused flatulence..

#82 3000 year old beer breweries have been found in egypt. so, after building pyramids during the day, the boys no doubt hit the local bars in the evening.

To begin with, alcohol and dancing...(allegedly major vices as compared to honour killings and amputations) are not alien to Islamic "civilisation", for instance arak and raki etc have been produced in the muslim middle-east for centuries, also in antiquity the Caliph Haroon-ul-Raheed was noted for having a very sophisticated palate and the richest wine-cellar in the known world.

The very word "alcohol" is derived from Arabic, as it was Abassid muslims, (the scientist Jabir ibn Hayyaan) who actually invented the distillation of ethanol fit for human consumption, as a viable chemical process, (in the days when muslims weren't illiterate monkeys).

Part of the circumstances which led to such discovery was was because the word "khamer" as mentioned in the quran was held to strictly refer only to fermented grapes rather than any other beverage. This view is still maintained by Hanafis and some sufi orders and indeed by most arabic linguists, to which end all other alcohol (particularly mead made from honey recommended by the prophet) is legal in islamic law, before corruption by wahabism.

Alcohol was in fact also legal in Pakistan until Bhutto sold out to the mullahs.

The Islam that is being you advocate has nothing to do with "civilisation" or humanity at all... It is precisely the likes of you that has had muslims devolve into pathetic, pitiful illiterate monkeys who start jumping up and down and bombing shops at the very sight of a Beyonce CD.

#30 Posted by hamidm2

... and also sex (including orgies with multiple women and homosexuality) is permitted in islam

You pimp Son of a Bitch!

Al-'Ankabut (The Spider)

29:29 Must you indeed approach men with lust, and thus cut across the way of nature? and must you commit these shameful deeds in your open assemblies?� But his people’s only answer was, “Bring down upon us God’s chastisement, if thou art a man of truth!�

hamidm: that is a picture of a tiger on fp!! your devotion to neo-con causes no doubt caused you to confuse that tiger with that escapeefrom the matchbox, matchstick ann coulter.

Re: # 78

cobra,

... the chowk has gone high tech on us ..... ann coulter was flashing on the fp an hour ago ....... if you want to look at her you click on the up arrow on the 'adds by google' and find her - she is as gorgeous as ever ..... with a woman like her around, we men have nothing to fear .....

hamid, you must have a special kind of browser. All is see is Khalid Sohail's picture.

chowk staff,

.... thank you for putting ann coulter on the front page! .... i am sure her presence is driving urstruly and other mohammedans crazy .... she is one lean mean fighting machine ! .... with a woman like her who needs four wives and umpteen concubines .......

ann coulter zindabad !

Food should not be wasted especially in a food deficit area.

But beverages of all kinds should not be wasted either!

Live and let live.

Ras

Anil #74 {"Please enjoy rather than rush to be a character witness at the Most Supreme Court"}

Anil Bhai,
That was the kindest thing you have said to me all day. Thanks. :)

Re: # 73

Salim sahib:

"...If he continues at his pace and I degrade at mine, we should arrive there approximately concurrently...."

Please enjoy rather than rush to be a character witness at the Most Supreme Court. At least you would be able to have make a court performance that befits you, in the Most Supreme Court. This performance will certainly beat Shah Rukh Khan's in Devdas. You might be able to start an industry afterwards, if they let you return.

Anil #72 {"You mean you will ask the Most Supreme Court to hold up Hamidm Sahib's trial for almost 25 years, until you reach there. Where will he be in those 25 years while in custody, and what if you changed in the meantime?"}

Anil Bhai,
Hamidumdum Sahib has on several occasions promoted the health-related advantages of imbibing the sacred nectar. I have not partaken of the essence of liquidity for exactly three years. If he continues at his pace and I degrade at mine, we should arrive there approximately concurrently.

Re: # 71

Salim sahib:

"...I will be your character witness at your Most Supreme Court trial...."

You mean you will ask the Most Supreme Court to hold up Hamidm Sahib's trial for almost 25 years, until you reach there. Where will he be in those 25 years while in custody, and what if you changed in the meantime?

Hamidumdum2 #68 {"salim mian,
..... i don't mean to be cruel when i poke fun at OUR holy prophet (pbuh and his camel).... i do it to innoculate my fellow moslems against the onslaught of insults from danes, dutch, swedes and other islamophobic infidels "}

Hamidumdum Sahib,
That's the problem with you quacks - you do terrible things to us and then we find out that it was for our own good. Now that I understand your noble mission, I will be your character witness at your Most Supreme Court trial.

Re: # 68

salim mian,

..... i don't mean to be cruel when i poke fun at OUR holy prophet (pbuh and his camel).... i do it to innoculate my fellow moslems against the onslaught of insults from danes, dutch, swedes and other islamophobic infidels ....... once they are used to taking insults from a fellow mohammedan, they will learn to ignore the dastardly dutch and refrain from burning motor cycles in lahore ........ my theory is that we moslems get insulted easily because we suffer from low self esteem ..... shoaib akhtar and irshad manji are the only two good things happening for the ummah at present .......

hamidumdum2 sahib re: #25,

You are one of my favorite interactors on FP. I love the way you seem to stagger to and fro and manage to get your point across. Seriously, janaab, you would be even more effective if you left out the horrible insults to Our Holy Prophet (PBUH). You come across as one of those horribly horrid Hindus - just a lot funnier, I must admit.

#28 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 13, 2008 7:14:12 pm


drinking is one worst thing any body can but for muslim is morally wrong.


you all should take to drinking..

"booze not boom" should be the new slogan for muslims..

dr cheema sahib: so, in the Australian language it is g'day, not goodday. Of course. Hope you enjoy life with the wives on Australian beaches (wives = waves in the Australian language, as I learnt from a young lady from that country many years ago who was passing through Lahore..but that is another story..

#64 hamidm: i would be self-righteous if i claimed to have been perfect all my life. but that is not what i am saying. what i am saying is, if something is not good for your health (or, as in case of wine, has negative effects that far outweigh anything its positive effects), it doesnt make sense to glorify it. Real men dont need martinis to be cool, James Boond notwithstanding.

Re: # 57

nb,

.... red wine headache is blamed on all sorts of things: tannins, sulphites, histamines, tahmed's self-righteous sermons and low testesterone levels ..... nobody knows because some white wines are higher in tennins and other stuff ...... i have found out that pinot noir doesn't give me the old headache and it tastes good ! ..... some old wives like tahmed also say that buying by the glass is a bad idea - oxidation and all that .......

...... try pinot noir and if that doesn't help give up drinking in this world and wait to dip into the streams of red and white wine that flow through heaven ...... did you hear that the shias can drink red wine because they consider it to be the blood of hussain ? ..... all they have to do to make it kosher is say three kalimas and two 'ya alis' and blow on the goblet ..... amazing!

G'day it is, tahmed. I'd never recommend more than two drinks a day, and don't drink more than three- that too once or twice a month- myself.
Alcohol does help drop inhibitions, and while too much of that can be a bad thing, as everyone knows, it is a lubricant to the smooth functioning of society in small quantities. Clearly, some people can't drink in small quantities and such people are better off not drinking at all.

Re: # 61; tahmed that is not what I meant

please don't sulk....again

dr sahib: this was my time off! anyway, the wine industry no doubt loves you and dr. nb and hamidm. goodday mates (as you say in the Australian language).

nb: you too, dr sahiba? :-(

Re: # 58; tahmed

for crying out loud, have a day off!! will you?

#56 dr sahib: drinking to "relax" is the worst possible recommendation you could make, even if one was to take seriously your distinction between alcoholism and "drinking to relax". it would not be surprising to hear that from an illiterate truck driver, but it is sad to hear it from a surgeon!!

as a doctor, shouldnt you be advising people that a much better way to relax than drinking is to do some exercise, take a walk, take a nap?

tahmed, wine in moderation does extend life. There are multiple studies, including some that are RCTs-randomised controlled trials, which are the gold standard of evidence. I'm surprised a health fiend like you hasn't heard of that.
It is one of my everlasting regrets that red wine tends to give me migraine. I try to make up for it by drinking pomegranate juice and eating blueberries.

Re: # 54; tahmed sahib

here is an excerpt
from one such study; many in many parts of the world all indicating the sam e results

btw: what is drinking alcohol got to do with alcoholism? One drinks (in moderation) to relax, enjoy life etc

alcoholism, OTOH, is a disease where the whole thing becomes a 'compulsion'; the two are different

as they say...enjoy!

[Jefferson Study Shows Red Wine More Heart-Healthy Than Gin
When the choice is red wine or gin, choose red wine – at least when considering your heart’s health.

That’s according to a recent study by researchers at Jefferson Medical College (JMC) of Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia, who compared the effects of drinking either red wine or gin on several biochemical markers in the blood. Red wine contains many complex compounds including polyphenols, which are absent from gin. The researchers found that drinking red wine had a much greater effect in lowering levels in the bloodstream of so-called “anti-inflammatory� substances that are risk factors in the development of heart disease and stroke.

The results, which appeared recently in the journal Atherosclerosis, didn’t surprise co-author Emanuel Rubin, MD, who led the study.

“It’s clear from these results that while drinking some form of alcohol lowers inflammatory markers, red wine has a much greater effect than gin,� says Dr. Rubin, Distinguished Professor of Pathology at JMC.]

and while you are re-thinking, it would be good if you could confirm, rather than ignore, the many other problems with alcoholism i mention in #52.

#53 dr cheema sahib: that is absurd. please think a bit harder as a trained medical practitioner, and then come back and tell me that your claim that wine extends life is "well authenticated".

Re: # 52; tahmed sahib

what I said was based on many population based studies; all well authenticated

the sex thing was an innocent joke only directed at you; the moment, as it happens, is long gone

dr cheema #40: i think cobra (#43) has already answered your question.

Let me add to that: after you have had sex, you dont trouble speaking clearly, or thinking clearly. You dont start driving from one edge of the road to the other after having sex either. Hope this clarifies.

As a doctor, you should not be making scientifically absurd remarks like "it has been proven that drinking makes you live longer" e.g. while the french and italians live longer and they are also wine drinkers, as anyone familiar with statistics will tell you this does not establish a causative relationship. And indeed, while the alcohol industry will never points to this, contrary examples are provided by the high mortality among the heavy-drinking russian men.

The ill-effects of alcohol are not just short-run (e.g. the above-mentioned slurred tongue, inability to walk straight, as well as the mind going bonkers providing pathbreaking scientific insights of the kind Hamidm was providing) - you dont need to be a doctor to know about the serious damage to the liver over time. And the social ill-effects (spouse abuse, ruined careers) are serious too (in russia, alcoholism is considered a major cause of its poor economic performance).

So - dont encourage people like Hamidm to continue their self-destructive habits that provide them with immediate gratification at the cost of their own well-being and of their wives and children. Leave that to the multi-billion dollar wine industry - which, like the cigarette industry that has sent millions of people to an early and painful death, is perfectly capable of marketing gimmicks like the "Marlboro Man" (who, btw, died of lung cancer himself!!). You, as a doctor, need to be more responsible than the drug-lords of the alcohol industry.
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Re: # 47; nkg sahib,

yes you have a point there. in moderation, alcohol (especially 2-3 units of red wine) a day is shown to increase lifespan and prevent coronary heart disease.

saying that, it is all about being sensible. i hate 'drunkenness' myself....a few drinks with mates without getting out of control is not altogether a bad idea...each their own.... as they say

Re: # 7
Kulharee...
"Hamid Saab, would you rather get a buzz on Colt45 here or wait for the most exquisite single malt Scotch in the afterlife? Would you rather be intimate with a few here, or wait for 72 most gorgeous chicks in the afterlife? The choice is yours. I would rather wait. Fruit of patience is very sweet."

Ans: Are you sure, there is any such fruit?
You only get one life. Enjoy it as much as possible without harming nature or anybody....

Naeeem Randhawa
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Ans: People are engaged in all sorts of criminal activities and you have no time for them. Only when people enjoys life without harming anybody, you feel sad!!!

Naeeem Randhawa
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Ans: People are engaged in all sorts of criminal activities and you have no time for them. Only when people enjoys life without harming anybody, you feel sad!!!

Re: # 28
Ahmedmadani...
" I feel ALCOHOL SHOULD be FORBIDDEN to all it is poison worst than cobras bite."


Ans: This is seer stupidity. Alcohol is used in medicine. Please enlighten me about the harmful effect of alcohol?
Mr. A K Cheema is medical doctor. He will be better person to advice us.

Re: # 45;Madani sahib,

I have been rude and not said thank you for the two bandishes in Maru Bihag you sent me; enjoyed it thoroughly sir.

The first (shorter) one had a beautiful ‘humming’ of ?sitar in the background; sounded very similar to the didgeridoo but less overpowering on the whole; went very well with the ‘utaar char-hao’ of the voice of the artist and the tabla. The second (longer) was even more captivating. The sitar was just divine and provided a very complimentary background to a beautiful voice, especially towards the end. The tabalchi kept up well too. All beautifully put together; I am grateful you thought about me sir.
You also asked me about Cymbalta; it has nothing to do with India, to my knowledge. Its active ingredient is Duloxetine, an SNRI (Serotonin and Noradrenaline Re-uptake Inhibitor); Serotonin and Noradrenaline are normally secreted at nerver terminals in the brain; body ‘recycle’ them in a way so there is just the right amount. When there is less than that amount, one can be depressed. SNRI drugs stop the body from degrading these chemicals, hence creating an abundance; this causes the opposite of depression – mood elevation, that is. Generally well tolerated; long list of side effects but in majority of people very few, if any. As a group these drugs are quite safe, although I am a surgeon so will ask around amongst my general practice colleagues.

Thanks again; I have sent this also to you as a PM.

Akram Cheema

Re: # 37 Thanks for saying good words. Some time we feel like left out discards back home and we know we are not fools but still that slavery in our makes us feel well to react with people who have achieved some thing.

With best wishes for all and good day.

#43 by Cobra

Is 2.5 billion enough for you. Life has been procreating for last two billion plus years, according to modern science.

Cobra yaar, men must have been drinking for about the same period too, don't you think?

"how do you know the body is designed to handle the former??"

Is 2.5 billion enough for you. Life has been procreating for last two billion plus years, according to modern science.

akcheema:

I was having a drink when I wrote that, and it did help immensely, but thank you for that wonderful advice nevertheless. *rolling eyes ikaan*

ang Khuda Hafiz for now

madani sahib, you brightened my day sir!!!

Re: # 33; tahmed
"and your lumping sex and booze (the former being something the body is designed to handle, the latter being something the body is not designed to handle "

how do you know the body is designed to handle the former??

ana bibi,

my general advice would be to chill out a bit!
if a drink helps, so be it...

Re: # 27; hamidm sahib
"muslims are a confused lot who have made up all these silly rules based on bedouin folklore that deprive them of the simple pleasures of life ...... "

I wish I could frame that sir!

Re: # 36; ahmedmadani sahib,

LOL!!!!

abso..bloody..lutely brilliant sir!!...as usual, if I may say so

Re: # 30 Hamidsahib.... Its your perogative to use alcohol or not. You will be happy to hear from me your advice is taken here in Karachi also and they follow you and hate people like me as unenlightened and reactionaries etc. Now about sex and other things it has changed with generations. Most grand parents will be shocked what their grand children are doing unthinkable things and be ashamed and one has to move with time. Some times it is good one day we pass away as we feel morals are unchangable but they change which is inevitable but it is hard to bear. Even the most flamboyant men and women mostyly change as your body changes and time leaves you behind. Some time one atonishes oneself to think is it fine or bad. One can not follow new mind with new energies new ethos.
Now most women who are educated and daring enough to reject marriage prososals are very modern. It has changed dymnamics of marriages for expak men. I have no feeling how expak women feel. Now I know few men who are educated and they are in confusion when young women ask then questions.
When woman wants to reject man they have advantage hidden cards they can take out ace and dismiss them.
These are real experiences by expak. First Expak is back, he has short time.
He goes to visit girl and to his surprise women tells her parents that she will ask hjim out for dinner. ( See psycological game started, 1st she has demolished his natural authority of asking her out) So in his mind he is shattered by this arrogent bad brat.
They go out. She ask him do you like beer.You tell me what he can say. If he says he does not then he is cave dweller she can call and redicule. If he says yer then also damning, so she controls situation. She do you 5 times pray ? Again either way loose. Now she asks you had girl fried ? If yes how many and how long etc. If not he is considerd foolish. Then she ask oh you have girl friends why you not marry them ? They do not want to marry you or what ?
Most men do not drink or do not have girlfriends etc or no zina sex etc. But now new women are different if you have neither and you have been to white country then they feel you are gay or something like that. Normal old fashioned way is not acceptable.
Most men expak I new have to lie being good in drinking , girlfriends and what not just to be acceptable. Some women who do hanky panky here force expak to go aids test. Its humilating but man has to do what he is needed.
What I feel because of women are getting too progressive they reject man being boring, religious fanatics and no gf or beer or smoking. NOw high class smokes men and women. Now some middle class people to just show off buy cheap empty bottles of johny walker ( black lebel costs more) feel with water as asthetic show piece. The Sharabi is well alive and thriviung you men and women who are educated and access to money are quite westernased and internet has spread sex like crazy like wild fire. This reason there can be islamic revolution, when too much too good things then who believe become angry. Determined minority muslims can lead to different things. If people like you who are honest will not lead to revolution etc as hypocracy leads to anger. Most are dishonest and that is what believer gats inflamed. In sense it is always battle ground all muslim lands between believers who give importance to second life after judgement day and and enjoyment oriented happiness seekers. Now it appears amoung white wesst north europe there is no takers for second life phase. USA is heard religious land but secondlifers are loosing big way. BUt Pakistan will be battle ground for next 50 years and then slowly enjoyment oriented will dominate, Religious are powerful but is contracting universe and that creats anxity for loosers. If you do all that stuff what we can do nothing , only we want people to discrete and respects old ways atleast for show. I have tried all good things to impose on my daughters it does not work , it just leads to clashes and they ask to shut up and say I do not understand. Just I do not like such things. Marujuana is big thing here it is fashin amoung young and beautiful people. Mr. Hamid things are going your way, its bad times. Good day bye. I think India may be worst with all those hindi movies and open liquior shops and what not that is bit consoling. That ameriocan influence is pervading impossible to fight like fighting against see.
Good day.
Hope people move to good stuff so we can learn.

re:tahmed32#34
"What happens when you fill a lota with alcohol?"
"fill a lota with alcohol and you get pathbreaking scientific insights!!"

I thought if you fill a lota with alcohol, you get romair.

Hell what do I know.

On second thought he does have path breaking insight :)

Regards,

Faruk

hamidm: actually in #33 i have answered the question i had in #32: fill a lota with alcohol and you get pathbreaking scientific insights!!

hamidm: and i didnt realize that anyone needed your assurance of the joys of sex.

and your lumping sex and booze (the former being something the body is designed to handle, the latter being something the body is not designed to handle as you may have noticed perhaps) seems to be the biggest breakthrough in classification since the development of the periodic table.

#30 hamidm: Scientific question - What happens when you fill a lota with alcohol?

"praying unnecessarily,"....:) delightfull phrase -- pre, post and in between masterbashon -- we all have done that -- haven't we...:)

Re: # 28

madani sahib,

..... i respect your opinion, but drinking is really good for you - you should try it .....

.......... when i was a little boy an older cousin, who had grown a beard and was prone to praying unnecessarily, told me that i would go blind if i didn't stop masturbating ...... for many many years i was traumatized by the fear of blindness but i just couldn't stop doing what comes naturally to little boys .......... but nothing happened and to this day i don't wear glasses ! ......

.......same thing with wine and bhang - trust me, if you don't overdo it nothing will happen and you will have a lot of fun ........ it is a lot more fun than praying, fasting and jihad ....... praying causes callouses on your ankles and puts the mark of the devil on your forehead; fasting is bad for you because it causes cancer of the stomach and impotence; jihad resuts in the death of innocent people ..........

....... have a drink and sex with a member of the opposite sex and i guarantee you that you will like it ....... and in case you are worried, nowhere in the koran does it say that you cannot drink and also sex (including orgies with multiple women and homosexuality) is permitted in islam ........ so loosen up !

hamid pa ji:

I know the realization comes a little too late, but really, reading all your posts all these years, I've realized that you and the "albela" arjuna have one thing in common. You love to write things just because you KNOW they are going to offend, and you don't care how it offends them. Nor do you get offended by all the things people say to you or about you.

The difference being you CAN be funny, and arjuna, well, erm, anyway. . . and maybe sometimes there may be a grain of truth in your tales, somewhere. . .tails ka pata nahiN

Deny it all you want, there it is. :)

drinking is one worst thing any body can but for muslim is morally wrong. One can not be muslim and boast of drinking. I am tired of fake muslims who are slave to their tongue and nasha and claim to be muslim. such type of things make most people of generation not liking liberal attitudes in diet and liquid refreshments. That is reason many muslims though may not like kazi sahib still prefer than fake liberal muslims. foxes wearing dress of tigers. instead of that i will respect authentic dog than liberal progressive drinking people. I feel ALCOHOL SHOULD be FORBIDDEN to all it is poison worst than cobras bite.

Re: # 26

tahmed,

.... you are a monkey who doesn't appreciate ginger .....

......... what really amazes me is that this fool, randhawa, had to go all the way to afghanistan to discover the hypocrisy and stupidity of the mohammedans ...... he could have seen it at any paki masjid in brooklyn or at any meeting of arabs in dearborn ...... muslims are a confused lot who have made up all these silly rules based on bedouin folklore that deprive them of the simple pleasures of life ...... they long for sex and wine, but have to wait until they die and cross over to the other side - it drives them nuts and sometimes it drives them to blowing themselves up, but as good soldiers of the moon god they continue to torture themselves ............. fools !

hamidm: and another benefit of marijuana i assume is that you dont wake up with both legs in the same pajama leg that urstruly mentions.

Re: # 13

salim mian,

.... i agree .. marijuana is much better, but unfortunatley it is illegal ........ it makes you mellow instead of belligerant and people tend to drive below twenty miles an hour when they are under the influence of this wonderful herb ...... in its liquid form - bhang - it also has a 'cooling' effect (thandi taseer) and is good for your eyesight ..... for the religiously inclined it also brings you closer to the god of your choice - the malangs at the mazars in pakistan can testify to that ...... some of these malangs would be prophets if it weren't for the crazy mozlems who insist that mo was the last man to talk to the moon god .......

chachoo methinks somebunny wuvs you ....give him your autograph already :)

#12 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 13, 2008 9:18:29 am


Do you have any proof? Or do you just take the word of a "Fasadi Runt" as gospel?


who're you talking about? perhaps your boyfriend fartboy?

#15 Posted by tahmed32 on May 13, 2008 10:48:35 am


As for relaxing - 20 minutes of sweating it out,


does riding your moral high-horse count? if it does, you should be the most relaxed person in gaithersburg

Boring...corny chucha..:)

#19 Posted by CreateAlpha on May 13, 2008 11:40:51 am
{"tahir, did you kneel and bob today?"}

Maybe, but the real question should be whether you did Neil and Bob today.

tahir, did you kneel and bob today?

forget about doctor shoctor - there is no doubt that drinking causes stroke.

the other night hamidm came back from authetic irish tavern named raja tavern, changed clothes and crashed right into the bed. half an hour later mrs. hamidm woke up hearing screams from hamidm "i can't move my legs", "i've got stroke", "waaaahhahhhh". In a panic she immediately called 911. Minutes later when paramedics arrived, they found out that hamidm had put both of his legs in one leg of his pyjamas.

Re: # 13
Ham-Damn2,
You display amazing ignorance!

CHOWK staff please note that Ham-Damn2 is poking fun at Islamic salaah. Ban the instigators instead on blocking those who try stop an agent provocateur.

Re: # 6
"how can you talk to a man who won't sit down and have a drink with you"

Exactly what truth resides in this apparently silly statement only a drunkard might know!

How can one talk to a man who won't stand, bow down and prostrate with you in salaah?

Hamidm #13 I checked with my doctor on whether a glass of red wine was a good idea to protect the heart, as per popular literature. His asked if I drink. I said no. "Then dont start", was his reply.

and this doc is not one of these bathroom-wetting-foot-in-the-sink maulvi either - he is one of these gora gentleman whom would be a poster boy for Hitler's ubermenschen that you are always telling us about.

As for relaxing - 20 minutes of sweating it out, or taking a short nap, or a short walk, or a hundred other things I can think of is more relaxing than any drink.

But what do I know - I even think that the rule of law is better than the rule of the lawless..

Hamidumdum Sahib,
Moderation in all things is good. Extremism in all forms, especially religion and nationalism can be horrible - the effects are even worse when alcohol is thrown in the mix. If you recall, your boy Slobodan, got his Chetniks to do many of their cruel deeds under the guise of alcohol. So, try not to drink excessively, but if you must, then please lock up the firearms and hide the car keys.

Re: # 11

salim mian,

..... there is nothing wrong with an occasional buzz - i find it relaxing and if you don't overdo it is good for your health ....... it can also break the ice between two adversaries - if the turk izetbegovich had not been averse to having a drink with slobodan the two could have worked it out and avoided all that bloodshed ....... in any case, it is a lot better than beating your head on the ground and then getting up to kill infidels and sheep ..........

#8 arjun {"funny that an alcoholic should be saying that"}

Arjun,
Do you have any proof? Or do you just take the word of a "Fasadi Runt" as gospel?

Hamidumdum Sahib #6,
Please don't get so angry. My reference to "Kaala Angraiz" was not directed at you. Nothing wrong with drinking, if it doesn't lead to intoxication, bad driving, breaking things, hurting people, or selling one's daughter to finance the daru - as depicted in many Bollywood flicks. Slobodan had a lot of guilt to forget, what's your excuse?

Re: # 4 santani;
He is trying to say that he can construct few sentences in english.

la'anti issi liyay tou tees saal se jootay kha rahe hain.

#3 Posted by Selim_Chauhan on May 12, 2008 12:41:59 pm


that you encountered even in Kabul, choose to demonstate their ass kissing is by drinking to excess


funny that an alcoholic should be saying that

Hamid Saab, would you rather get a buzz on Colt45 here or wait for the most exquisite single malt Scotch in the afterlife? Would you rather be intimate with a few here, or wait for 72 most gorgeous chicks in the afterlife? The choice is yours. I would rather wait. Fruit of patience is very sweet.

Re: # 3

salim mian,

why is it that mohammedans are so obsessed with liquor, women and pork ?......... is there nothing else in their religion that is worth talking about ?

...... remember there is nobody more obnoxious than a born again christian, a recovering alcoholic or a guy who gave up smoking ...... their pompous rectitude and self righteousness is more nauseating than a raki hangover .....

..... in any case, this is what the great serbian leader, slobodan milosovic said about the turkish leader alija izetbegovich : "how can you talk to a man who won't sit down and have a drink with you" ......... there is some truth in that apparently silly statement ......

Naeem, you seem to be judging people about their personal habits. Did they force you to drink with them or did they force you to join the party? If yes, then that would be imprudent and rude. If no, then you have no right to comment on what is essentially what is their private matter.

How are these people to work with? Are they honest? Do they do their job sincerely? Do they work as a good team player. And most importantly, do you succeed as team? If yes, then the rest are trivial issues.

However, I agree with your observation of wastage of food in restaurants, especially when food is scarce in that country.

Sir,

What are you trying to say in this article?

Sanatani

{"I will try, as I think most people do, hide my vices. I'm ashamed of them, I try to do them incognito. But here in front of me, is a man, named after the prophet, a director with the firm, toasting to the group, and to my right is another Muslim from Iran, also a director, and the young Pakistani who invited me, all enjoined in the delight of drink. The first director who is from Egypt, is now mimicking a belly dancer, and the women around the table are giggling. He's re-enacting a dance from another recent dinner, where he apparently displayed this skill for the group. He's shaking his pretend breasts, it's all a great big laugh. I'm mustering a half smile, and sick to my stomach....
I don't want to be here, I want to be with the local Afghani's I had dinner with last night, the ones who talked about their families, and of the provinces they came from."]

Naeem,
Thanks for sharing your disgust at the situation and how you felt says a lot about you. You are among the many Muslims, who, while very educated, prosperous, and even "westernized," do not easily succumb to kissing gora rump just to emphasize their "modernity." One of the easiest ways, these kaala angraaiz, that you encountered even in Kabul, choose to demonstate their ass kissing is by drinking to excess and then wanting everyone else to join them in their behavior as aping buffoons lest they themselves look bad. Good for you and your genuinely disgusted feeling and disappointment. I share your views.

Its not just about drinking or dancing but more significant is the hypocrisy that exists within the Muslim societies and across different social strata.

You might want to PM Kaalchakra aka Eklavya, he too loves to talk with muslims that only drink aab-e-zamzam, and eat dates.