Race to the Finish

hamid writes "All races are equally intelligent." .... because this implies that you would give a loved one who is blind a greyhound seeing-eye dog ..... now, would you ? .... or are you saying that breeds of dogs are not the same as races of humanoids ?"


Fool, the domesticated dog is a genetic experiment, as a result "Between-breed" variation among dogs is estimated at 27.5 percent while almost non existant within the breed, while genetic variation among human races is non existant while variation exists on the individual level within races, the exact opposite of dog breeds

Naqsh writes "most peer reviewed scientific studies of differences in intelligence across the races have concluded that africans are less intelligent than other races.."

That is racist horse dung of the "Bell Curve" calibre. IQ tests are themselves culturally biased, group IQs have been varying over the years and are dependant on socio-economic factors where the group is concerned, which also provide for a biological basis for intelligence differentials, and there no biological basis of stating what you state other than the pseudo-science of the medieval minded preachers long discredited by scientists. Read evolutionary biologist, Stephen J Gould's critique of the Bell Curve which is based on those so-called 'peer reviewd' studies...

http://www.geocities.com/race_articles/lynn_race_diff.html

why do otherwise intelligent people become all PC as soon as people begin to suggest races might be genetically different with regards to intelligence. Is Dr. Watson also a 'racist' medieval scientist? Please see the link.

Kulharee writes "The whole point is that the country is making progress, and it has come a long way from where it was only 40-50 years ago..."

It has not come a LOOOONNNGGG way, it is just budged ahead by a very tiny bit because of what HP mentioned, the struggles and sacrifices over the centuries now of the black men and women. It seems LONG to you because of what atif is suggesting, the manipulation and propaganda that shows the tiny two foot tread as if it were a million miles

Naqhsbandi, it is not about political correctness more so than those that tout greater intelligence among certain races (without fact- none exists in your article as well, if you read it carefully you'll not the points I mention as does Gould regarding such studies- the cultural bias, in group differences among tests, socio economic class differences that are cumulative, no historical comparisons pre colonization and so on), do so to show the sub-human nature of races other than their own. They then try to sanitize their BS by showing the orientals might have a higher IQ, similar to them touting the "Asian Model Minority" myth, devoid of numbers, historical/immigrant background etc. Can't you see the obvious, fool?

you'll note the points I mention as does Gould regarding such studies

Naqsh writes "Is Dr. Watson also a 'racist' medieval scientist?"

The difference between his kind and the medieval ones is that they took the 'biological' route measuring brain difference etc which has been busted by modern biological science, the modern ones like Watson (having the same mindset) recognzie that they cannot go that route so they take the manipulative, culturally biased and historically unavailable comparison, IQ test ....

In #54 in addition to " They then try to sanitize their BS by showing the orientals might have a higher IQ, similar to them touting the "Asian Model Minority" myth, devoid of numbers, historical/immigrant background etc. Can't you see the obvious, fool? "

Ironically that study tries to show that the variation between American orientals (lower IQ) and those at the home country is because of immigrant status, i.e. lower class individuals migrated, a socio-economic factor! A hotchpotch of confused BS from which unjustified "racist" conclusions are drawn as in the Bell Curve...as the claim by Naqsh when the vast majority of social scientists, published and cited wrote against those two (Murray and Herrnstein) of the CONSERVATIVE (and racist) American Enterprise Institute

enough posts for today, g'night

One last

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Alan R. Templeton, Ph.D., professor of biology in Arts and Sciences, has analyzed DNA from global human populations that reveal the patterns of human evolution over the past one million years. He shows that while there is plenty of genetic variation in humans, most of the variation is individual variation. While between-population variation exists, it is either too small, which is a quantitative variation, or it is not the right type of qualitative variation -- it does not mark historical sublineages of humanity.

Using the latest molecular biology techniques, Templeton has analyzed millions of genetic sequences found in three distinct types of human DNA and concludes that, in the scientific sense, there is no such thing as race.

"Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans -- genetic differences," Templeton said. "Evolutionary history is the key to understanding race, and new molecular biology techniques offer so much on recent evolutionary history. I wanted to bring some objectivity to the topic. This very objective analysis shows the outcome is not even a close call: There's nothing even like a really distinct subdivision of humanity."

Templeton used the same strategy to try to identify race in human populations that evolutionary and population biologists use for non-human species, from salamanders to chimpanzees. He treated human populations as if they were non-human populations.

"I'm not saying these results don't recognize genetic differences among human populations," he cautioned. "There are differences, but they don't define historical lineages that have persisted for a long time."

Templeton's paper, "Human Races: A Genetic and Evolutionary Perspective," is published in the fall 1998 issue of the American Anthropologist, an issue almost exclusively devoted to race. The new editor-in-chief of the American Anthropologist is Robert W. Sussman, Ph.D., professor of anthropology in Arts and Sciences (end quote)

From http://record.wustl.edu/archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html

Masadi Sahib, from not being able to drink water from the same fountain, to owing their own TV networks is a “long way” for me. You have higher standards. Atif thinks that Germany has also come a long way, well it has not. Owens ran in Berlin before Hitler started his dirty stuff. Germany now pays for second and third generation Turks to repatriate, and not even to mention the institutionalized racism there. Is that progress? I don’t think so.

Nice (#59) Masadi Sahib, humans and chickens also share 99% similar genome

Hi Kulharee:

I have read neither Herrnstein nor Conley. But statitically speaking the two are not mutually exclusive, based on your article. Race could still be a very good predictor of achievement but it does not mean that it is the cause of that achievement. On the other hand, accumulative wealth could be a better predictor. The only way one can truly arrive at somewhat reliable results would be by having controlled group and it still won't be faultless because the society's interaction with the individuals in the control group cannot be controlled.

" If you want to punish China, stop buying Chinese goods (that’s like 80% of what is sold in WalMart), stop wearing Chinese merchandise (chances are half of what you are wearing today is made in China) and only if you can, stop eating Chinese food."

The Chinese authorities have discovered an embarassing fact, a factory in Guondong province has been producing all the Tibet flags that the protestors have been carrying around throughout the word during these anti-chinese protests.

#61 Verty true Dost Mittar Ji. But Herrnstein and Murray while not blatantly arguing that that Intelligence was connected to race, but their research clearly demonstrated that it had explanation in genetics. The debate is still going on, and it is a good one. Socio-biology is a hot field these days. As Masadi Sahib graciously referred to work of Gould, an authority in this area.

US is a multiracial society, we can see our own Desi societies to see variations and degrees of intelligence. There are smart Punjabis, and there are smarter Punjabis.

Kulharee:

Another nice one! I do not want to define what racism is ... but I guess it is related to discrimination/hatred on the basis of your looks, size, color (religion??) etc. Whatever it is, one knows that there is disrimination when one "feels" it. On the basis of my own SUBJECTIVE feelings, I rank a few groups (that I am familiar with) in terms of discrimination from lowest to highest:

1. US; 2. Spain; 3. UK; 4. India; 5. Chowk.

Needless to say, I love Chowk ....

as usual, the cab driving poser HP regurgitates what he reads on dailykos.

there are a LOT of black officers at senior levels. A lot of them don't stick around for stars because there's a ton of money to be made with defense contractors.

Anyone who thinks there's institutional racism in the armed forces of the US hasn't been inside any defense establishment...ever...are there racists? sure...is there racism..heck no..

people should understand the different between a racist society and a society where there are racists...