PPP Isn’t Convinced!

#56 hamidm: I hope you have something to personally gain out of this mockery of the people's will that has been made by zardari in joining hands with the mqm murderers and the rogue general. because if you do, then at least you have some shred of logic (however short-sighted and selfish) behind your applause. otherwise, you are merely an idiot.

#65 Posted by Urstruly,

Sir, I fully agree.

Now how about writing an article like 'That Whore' again? I've been asking you for a year. Let's talk about something else.

The course has been set, as you had predicted and I had given a two year time for another experiment in controlled democracy. Nothing will change it.

So, what will be, will be.

Now how about that article, Urstruly? Real Guy De Maupassant style!

Re: # 64

Neither Musharaf will go anywhere nor judges are going to come back. The real reason is that that the ruling elite is one and the same. This system of corruption, inefficiency, and lawlessness benefits ALL OF THEM immensily. They can squander billions and get away with it. They can even get away with cases of murder. As urdu proverb goes, have they been bitten by a mad dog to change all this?? No, they will preserve it no matter what it takes. That was the reason, benazir was murdered because she wouldn't have sold PPP so cheap. Zardari is a thrid class small timer, Mr. 10%, corrupt to the core and thus easy to control. Americans have vested interest to keep this status quo because a corrupt nation is easy to control, especially when it is the most important country in Islamic world. Any positive change in Pakistan will mean a domino effect in rest of the muslim world.

But what all these badmash a/holes don't realize is that the times have changed. It is no more on their side. A repeat of what was happening before Feb 18, in this country will bring these a/holes down to their knees in six months. I hope they realize the sort of peril they are in.

what does the ppp gain from joining with musharraf and pml-q/mqm........nothing.......

it loses a lot.......

so why is it trying to save musharraf......one would have to say the americans want to give him a safe exit......the parliament can be controlled by ppp........but judges cannot.......

so they need the judges to be neutralized......after which musharraf gets a safe exit.......retires to boston.......and life goes on......

the usa ensures hosni and others that if there is ever a revolution agasint them, they can protect them......and to keep that confidence, they need to ensure musharraf gets a safe exit.....

Hamid Masih's angst is understandable whenever there is a hint of good news for the people of pakistan and his monkey dance at the carnage is the manifestation of his rape that took place at the hands of chowdry sahab in raja bazar, so although we should have pitty but there is no real reason to take him seriously.

Now, what the fukk are we talking about. Are we actually saying that democracy is a bad idea and we should go back to Army rule because the coalition hasnt been able to resolve ALL our problems in 30 days? Ground realities are fact of life and we all know that estab. is a menace that wont be curbed easily, but does that mean we convlude the principal. And that principal is that the will of people should rule, people who are beneficiries of status-quo should and must advocate the perpetuation of it, we see it all day long on our tv screens in shape of Malik qayyum, tariq aziz et al, but anyone with a mere shred of decency and fairness should be sick to there stomach at this blatant rape of the will of people at the hands of estab.

There is nothing wrong with being rich, but if your wealth was accumulated at the expense of the poor than i shouldnt have to even say that its wrong. I know things on ground require a certain level of compromise with the devil but for the love of God at least on an anon cyber forum agree with the principal.

Re: # 56 Sachasaint

Well said. Everything in that banana republic is upside down. In other self respecting nations such posts are usually given to people whose education qualification is no less than PhD and have vast experience in managing a business concern of this scale. There is no doubt left in my mind that the process of Natural Selection that has been set in motion is going to consume us all.

Re: # 55 hamidm
All you had to do was to scream " Khoti zindabad, and that would have covered all of them"

#59 Posted by majumdar,

I don't think that will happen. PPP and Musharraf's foreign guarantors are making sure Musharraf has an honorable exit after a year or so minus 58-2 (b) despite PML-N, which has no choice but to accede.

However, there IS a very powerful 'establishment' factor as well which is forcing delaying tactics on the coalition via manipulation as well as administrative measures (e.g. the postponement of NA by-elections from June to August) so that the public is fed-up with the politicians again in another month or so - given the inflation/shortages etc - and is ready to accept an exercise of 58-2 (b) by Musharraf.

These are the two forces in play now, and PML-N is painted into a corner by both at the same time.

You may have noticed I have started spelling Musharraf with a capital M which I didn't do before in contempt. It is because he is not a spent force at all as I had mistakenly imagined. That fact alone demands respect.

Zee sahib,

So what happens when PML-N is booted out and a PPP-QL-MQM alliance comes to power in both Centre and Punjab.

Complete victory for the Mush-Bush alliance???

Regards

Posted as iLog and reposted here due to relevance:

Trusting the Trojan horse

(The Nation, Afzal Khan - April 15 2008)

MQM’s latest threat to sit in the opposition has a familiar ring designed to convey a message to the PPP. Its timing is intriguing. As has been the pattern of its moves in the past, the present action has some multi-dimensional motives and objectives vastly distinct from what the party has publicly stated.

The MQM move came only two days before the crucial summit meeting of the 4-party coalition that is likely to clinch the issue of deposed judges. President Musharraf has been building enormous pressure on Asif Zardari through Americans and other quarters to pre-empt this decision or at least stall the reinstatement of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry at any cost. The MQM’s sudden move is timed to enhance this pressure.

The PPP is also finding it difficult to accept the terms of endearment as price for MQM’s cooperation. Media reports say the MQM wants 35 per cent share in Sindh government in addition to its choice of governor. At the centre it has been seeking four plum ministries including communications and, above all, port and shipping. To neutralize Nawaz Sharif’s opposition, Altaf offered him hand of friendship after several weeks of venomous attacks.

Ostensibly, the appointment of Shoaib Suddle as IG Police Karachi preceded earlier by a major reshuffle of police structure in Karachi appears to be the immediate trigger. The new security set-up represents a bold and serious attempt by the PPP to hold a genuine inquiry into the bloodbath of October 18 and April 9 (if possible May 12 as well). The MQM faces the threat of being exposed as a result of these investigations.

Such is the tenuous nature of the budding PPP-MQM affair that it began showing cracks within couple of days after the fantastic spectacle of bonhomie during Asif Zardari’s April 3 Nine-Zero yatra. The stirring speeches by Zardari and his new-found love Altaf Hussain had a surreal touch. Ironically, while the series of events following that visit have a sequential nexus, hardly anything has been unpredictable.

First the MQM decided to indefinitely boycott the assembly session on the flimsiest possible excuse -episode involving Arbab Rahim. Arbab must have been amused by the display of “solidarity” by his tormentors who made his life miserable as chief minister for three years. Then on an equally insignificant (howsoever deplorable) incident of maltreatment of Dr. Sher Afgan, the MQM lawyers staged a protest rally the very next day. Karachi was assigned to another day of infamy marked by charred bodies, arson, loot and anarchy.

The theatrics two days later was the fourth of its kind in one year and deceived none. Altaf Bhai excused himself from leading the MQM (a la Aitzaz Ahsan style whom he paid tribute for risking his life to rescue Afgan). As expected the “resignation” was withdrawn in no time amid melodramatic scenes and a charged speech that implicitly acknowledged responsibility for the April 9 carnage. Zaradri again contacted Altaf and resumed negotiations for power-sharing in Sindh.

Everything has been scripted and choreographed with single-minded intent to thwart the people’s verdict of February 18 and avert the inevitable “minus one” denouement predicted by Aitzaz Ahsan. For this purpose the choreographer, who justified the heinous crimes in Karachi as a reaction to Sher Afgan episode, considers it imperative to drive a wedge between Zardari and Nawaz Sharif for which the former is being offered tantalizing options and power permutations.

In a command performance, the MQM responded generously to Asif Zardari’s request to withdraw Dr. Farooq Sattar as opposition’s candidate to contest prime minister’s election. Next day the PMl-Q joined to give a “unanimous” vote of confidence to Yousaf Raza Gilani. There were pious expression of extending “unconditional” support to the PPP in the larger national interests and reconciliation.

But MQM’s prominent leader Babar Ghori spilled the beans within hours of the vote. During discussion on a TV channel, Ghori noted that the 249 votes polled by speaker Dr. Fahmida Riaz included 91 from the PML-N leaving 158 votes which are not enough to elect the prime minister. “To free the PPP of dependence on Nawaz Sharif’s vote, we decided to support its candidate.” This was the strategy Musharraf had pursued immediately after the elections but failed because Zardari was shrewd enough to sense the outrage he would have caused in the entire country by aligning with pro-Musharraf parties.

He was then blackmailed by the threat of Amin Fahim group chipping away a dozen or so PPP members to form a government in collaboration with the MQM, the PML-Q, PML-F etc. But this was not 2002 and any such move would have had terrible backlash in rural Sindh where people had avenged Ms. Bhutto’s murder by voting her party to power despite selected rigging. The strategy was changed accordinly.

I asked a veteran anti-PPP Sindhi leader as to who delivered MQM to Zardari, his spontaneous response was:”General Musharraf’. Zardari’s motives to woo the MQM were obvious: first, to prevent a nexus with Fahim and secondly to buy peace in Karachi and other cities. It makes an eminent sense that political forces representing rural and urban Sindh must coalesce to end years of hatred and ethnic prejudices. This policy was adopted by Benazir in 1988 when she co-opted MQM in the coalition at the centre and in Sindh. But the MQM proved a Trojan Horse and stabbed her within 9 months by supporting the no-confidence motion at the behest of Ishaq and army chief.

The much-trumpeted MQM “mandate” has some disturbing features. Before it suffered a serious set back last May by blatantly supporting Musharraf siding with Musharraf against lawyers, the MQM was ambitiously projecting itself as a national party. But May 12 outrage pushed the MQM back to its original narrow-based ethnic and linguistic appeal based on hatred and tainted by violence and coercive tactics. The boycott by Jamaat Islami and Sunni Tehrik left the field wide open for the MQM landslide victory buffeted by state patronage and enormous financial and administrative resources.

There is strong possibility that the MQM will soon resume its contacts with the PPP and sort out differences. This will, however, be part of the larger strategy of its mentor Musharraf to oust Nawaz Sharif from the coalition.

Of-course this is dated three weeks ago and much before the Judiciary restoration deadline of 30 April. The above has now become clear and obvious.

#55 Posted by hamidm2,

No hamidm2, seriously, ANY political dispensation other than the existing will be quite unnatural and unacceptable to the public.

But it seems some formula or the other will be agreed by 12 May going by Aitezaz Ahsan's remarks last night. Problem is, will the sacked judges agree to return according to that formula? That is the question. Many have said they will not return and that will keep the issue alive.

I just read this news that a serving pilot has been appointed the managing director of PIA.( WTF)
So now a man who probably has no idea of what a P$L statement is, how to make a budget, understand the complexities of leases and buybacks and other financial instruments, understanding or negotiating extremely complex financial dealings(PIA is headquarted in the carribean), Human resource development, let alone day to day management of a large multinational organization.
His claim to entitlement ( yes sir, the very important qualification FRIEND OF ZARDARI)
I guess the day is not far when more antiquities of Pakistan will be flown to England or Dubai to be displayed at that humble abode "The Surrey Palace", or similar to the acts of 1990s discreationary funds will be send to Zardari's bank accounts overseas)

The reason I am saying all this is because exactly actions like these ( appointing cronies to positions of decision making at national entities ) caused the nation to face huge problems since these people have no right to position except their relationship with the appointing authority

let me remind everyone of what i have been saying all along:

president musharraf zindabad!
sheikh rashid zindabad!

now, i would like to add:

asif zardari zindabad!

jithon di khoti, uthay ja khaloti!

#52 Posted by Urstruly,

Yes I agree. Just yesterday I saw Ijaz-ul-Haq begging to join PML-N on one of the channels, but that was yesterday. He may have changed his mind now or may tomorrow.

However, I maintain the core PML-N will remain and join agitation.

Of-course you're right about the maulvis.

It would be a completely stupid move to leave the coalition for Judges. A political party should never be one trick pony or one issue party.

N Sharif has many cards but the lawyers card is going to be neutralized. What happened in Pindi yesterday was a reminder to the lawyers that they can be split. A better response would be to stay in the govt for as long as they can and regroup.

The Judges issue was to bring Mushy down. They half succeeded and now is the time to rethink their strategy instead of letting everything go including the government in Punjab.

Re: # 51 zeemax

NS has no choice. About 50% or more of his so called elected PML-Ns are the lottas who left PML-Q just before the lections because they started seeing the new coalitions. If today NS will calls for resignations, the same game that haramzaday moulvis played during hadud ordnance debacle and many other times during last five years, will be played again. Probably 6.5 of the elected ones may resign too. But the game will be the "Punjab govt." a repeat of the called "NWFP" in the past set up.

I think moulvis will not only be guillotined but castrated as well before that.