PPP Isn’t Convinced!
Ahmer Muzammil April 30, 2008
#179 Posted by nasah on May 11, 2008 11:43:29 pm
Zardari -- as it looks -- will never reinstate the Nov 2 judiciary. It is time to break this coalition -- and let the congenitally corrupt -- NRO bribed -- Zardari the durbari -- become the new court jester of the Musharraf Durbar.
This facade of 'reconciliation' was just a cruel smokescreen to neutralize Nawaz Sharif's opposition to Musharraf's dictatorship.
Zardari is utterly unreliable – a shameless opportunist -- besides being a compulsive liar. Zardari's promises carry no meaning -- he gives his word today only to take them back next day -- he makes promises only to break them later -- the extension of deadlines is sickening.
Other than being unreliable Zardari is a compulsive bribe-taker -- no bribe big or small -- what to talk about the biggest NRO bribes -- will ever escape his greasy hands.
Zardari will not only destroy the Coalition, he will destroy the PPP -- he will destroy the nascent democracy -- he will destroy the mass's overwhelming mandate -- and he will destroy the legacy of ZAB and Benazir for all time to come.
Nawaz Sharif should let him go -- Zardari deserves the company of the lotas like Altaf Husain, Chaudry brothers, Niyazis.
Zardari deserves Musharraf and Musharraf deserves Zardari.
Zardari will be comfortable in the role of one of the Chilum boys of the Musharraf court -- that he covets and craves so much -- instead of working to fulfill the mandate that people handed to his undeserving hands.
This facade of 'reconciliation' was just a cruel smokescreen to neutralize Nawaz Sharif's opposition to Musharraf's dictatorship.
Zardari is utterly unreliable – a shameless opportunist -- besides being a compulsive liar. Zardari's promises carry no meaning -- he gives his word today only to take them back next day -- he makes promises only to break them later -- the extension of deadlines is sickening.
Other than being unreliable Zardari is a compulsive bribe-taker -- no bribe big or small -- what to talk about the biggest NRO bribes -- will ever escape his greasy hands.
Zardari will not only destroy the Coalition, he will destroy the PPP -- he will destroy the nascent democracy -- he will destroy the mass's overwhelming mandate -- and he will destroy the legacy of ZAB and Benazir for all time to come.
Nawaz Sharif should let him go -- Zardari deserves the company of the lotas like Altaf Husain, Chaudry brothers, Niyazis.
Zardari deserves Musharraf and Musharraf deserves Zardari.
Zardari will be comfortable in the role of one of the Chilum boys of the Musharraf court -- that he covets and craves so much -- instead of working to fulfill the mandate that people handed to his undeserving hands.
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#178 Posted by arjun_5 on May 11, 2008 5:23:50 pm
prophetboy: meet the new boss, same as the old boss..
Why another crackdown on media is round the corner
Monday, May 12, 2008
Comment
By Ansar Abbasi
ISLAMABAD: Yet again, the media in Pakistan is under serious threat. Alarm bells have already started ringing. Naked warnings are being overtly given. Lists of "troublemakers" in the media are being compiled and the NRO-laundered intelligence sleuths are being assigned to straighten out the "crooked" pen pushers.
Some media houses have been pinpointed for "conspiring" against the elected government (read presidency if you like) and are being warned to get ready for another round of beating. The stage is being set to teach the unrepentant media a lesson.
The assault could be subtle. It could be uncouth and blatant. It could be direct. It could be vicious. Some fear, perhaps it has already been conceptualised and may be launched within days, if not already put into action.
The journalists smell a rat when they talk with government leaders, but they have not panicked. They are rather relaxed and prepared for the fight to defend the freedom of the press as guaranteed by the Constitution.
It might be new for the present day masters of our destiny to flex their newly acquired state muscles to tame the media but those associated with this profession are used to it. From the days of the draconian press laws introduced by the first military dictator of Pakistan General Ayub Khan to the era of public whipping of journalists during Zia's Martial Law and then to the post Nov 3, 2007 media-specific black days of General Musharraf's military rule, not to mention the wrongs done to the country's press during the democratic governments of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, the losers have always been those trying to strangulate the media.
But the rulers perhaps are not in the habit of learning lessons from other people's experiences. At least, it seems so from what is being contemplated now to gag the media, whose major crime today is that it reminds the leaders of their actions and promises of the past.
A lunch hosted by a PML-Q lady MNA at her Margalla Road house on Friday served as an opportunity for a selected gathering of "notorious" journalists to share their views on the looming threats to the media.
The host of Aaj TV's popular programme 'Bolta Pakistan' and senior journalist Nusrat Javeed believes that the crackdown on media is just round the corner. It might strike us in just a few days. He was of the view that a 'financial emergency' was likely to be imposed to attain the objectives of the vested interests.
Hamid Mir, the host of Geo TV's CapitalTalk and a senior columnist, was certain that the D-day was just 10 days away. He said that the list of five marked journalists had swelled to 17 and possibly included the names of most of those invited to the lunch.
According to Hamid Mir's assessment, amongst the media houses, Geo News, The News and Aaj Television were said to be the first in the firing line. † Our Group Editor Shaheen Sehbai perhaps had some clear picture of what was simmering against the media but for being a man of few words he kept his secrets to himself.
Syed Talat Hussain shared his latest confrontation with some presidency-backed local businessman, who told him that the media was responsible for all the present ills of Pakistan. The man had reportedly celebrated the March 9, 2007 removal of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry because the latter had ruined his golf dreams. It had all happened because of the media, so for the likes of this man media is undoubtedly the villain and, therefore, should be cursed.
Kashif Abbasi of the ARY TV was sharing with this scribe the kind of pressures he was presently facing. Geo TV's Dr Shahid Masood from Dubai explained as to why he focused on Rehman Malik in his popular programme 'Meray Mutabiq' on Saturday night. Dr Shahid said that during his last visit to Islamabad, he got a plain warning from Rehman Malik in the presence of Asif Ali Zardari.
"The situation is really scary," he said, adding that Rehman Malik talked of his "punches" to respond to the "punches" of the media. Malik, he said, introduced himself as the establishment and the master of all the intelligence agencies. "Honestly, it was shocking for me," Dr Shahid said, adding that Benazir Bhutto had done a lot to support the cause of the independent media, particularly after Nov 3, 2007 but things had now changed altogether.
Media is today the only pillar of the state that is still standing but under a serious threat. The other key pillar, the judiciary, was made to collapse on Nov 3, 2007 when General Musharraf carried out his coup against the institution. The new parliament is already is shambles and lacks confidence. The Executive is simply nowhere and is hostage to the status quo of the remnants of the past military regime.
May one ask the champions of democracy and the masters of our destiny on what grounds and basis do they intend to run the state. Can the state survive without these pillars? Have our leaders developed some innovative vision, alien to the world's experiences, to run the country? Are we going to prove to the world that we actually are a banana republic? Enjoy your bananas.
Why another crackdown on media is round the corner
Monday, May 12, 2008
Comment
By Ansar Abbasi
ISLAMABAD: Yet again, the media in Pakistan is under serious threat. Alarm bells have already started ringing. Naked warnings are being overtly given. Lists of "troublemakers" in the media are being compiled and the NRO-laundered intelligence sleuths are being assigned to straighten out the "crooked" pen pushers.
Some media houses have been pinpointed for "conspiring" against the elected government (read presidency if you like) and are being warned to get ready for another round of beating. The stage is being set to teach the unrepentant media a lesson.
The assault could be subtle. It could be uncouth and blatant. It could be direct. It could be vicious. Some fear, perhaps it has already been conceptualised and may be launched within days, if not already put into action.
The journalists smell a rat when they talk with government leaders, but they have not panicked. They are rather relaxed and prepared for the fight to defend the freedom of the press as guaranteed by the Constitution.
It might be new for the present day masters of our destiny to flex their newly acquired state muscles to tame the media but those associated with this profession are used to it. From the days of the draconian press laws introduced by the first military dictator of Pakistan General Ayub Khan to the era of public whipping of journalists during Zia's Martial Law and then to the post Nov 3, 2007 media-specific black days of General Musharraf's military rule, not to mention the wrongs done to the country's press during the democratic governments of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, the losers have always been those trying to strangulate the media.
But the rulers perhaps are not in the habit of learning lessons from other people's experiences. At least, it seems so from what is being contemplated now to gag the media, whose major crime today is that it reminds the leaders of their actions and promises of the past.
A lunch hosted by a PML-Q lady MNA at her Margalla Road house on Friday served as an opportunity for a selected gathering of "notorious" journalists to share their views on the looming threats to the media.
The host of Aaj TV's popular programme 'Bolta Pakistan' and senior journalist Nusrat Javeed believes that the crackdown on media is just round the corner. It might strike us in just a few days. He was of the view that a 'financial emergency' was likely to be imposed to attain the objectives of the vested interests.
Hamid Mir, the host of Geo TV's CapitalTalk and a senior columnist, was certain that the D-day was just 10 days away. He said that the list of five marked journalists had swelled to 17 and possibly included the names of most of those invited to the lunch.
According to Hamid Mir's assessment, amongst the media houses, Geo News, The News and Aaj Television were said to be the first in the firing line. † Our Group Editor Shaheen Sehbai perhaps had some clear picture of what was simmering against the media but for being a man of few words he kept his secrets to himself.
Syed Talat Hussain shared his latest confrontation with some presidency-backed local businessman, who told him that the media was responsible for all the present ills of Pakistan. The man had reportedly celebrated the March 9, 2007 removal of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry because the latter had ruined his golf dreams. It had all happened because of the media, so for the likes of this man media is undoubtedly the villain and, therefore, should be cursed.
Kashif Abbasi of the ARY TV was sharing with this scribe the kind of pressures he was presently facing. Geo TV's Dr Shahid Masood from Dubai explained as to why he focused on Rehman Malik in his popular programme 'Meray Mutabiq' on Saturday night. Dr Shahid said that during his last visit to Islamabad, he got a plain warning from Rehman Malik in the presence of Asif Ali Zardari.
"The situation is really scary," he said, adding that Rehman Malik talked of his "punches" to respond to the "punches" of the media. Malik, he said, introduced himself as the establishment and the master of all the intelligence agencies. "Honestly, it was shocking for me," Dr Shahid said, adding that Benazir Bhutto had done a lot to support the cause of the independent media, particularly after Nov 3, 2007 but things had now changed altogether.
Media is today the only pillar of the state that is still standing but under a serious threat. The other key pillar, the judiciary, was made to collapse on Nov 3, 2007 when General Musharraf carried out his coup against the institution. The new parliament is already is shambles and lacks confidence. The Executive is simply nowhere and is hostage to the status quo of the remnants of the past military regime.
May one ask the champions of democracy and the masters of our destiny on what grounds and basis do they intend to run the state. Can the state survive without these pillars? Have our leaders developed some innovative vision, alien to the world's experiences, to run the country? Are we going to prove to the world that we actually are a banana republic? Enjoy your bananas.
#177 Posted by bubba on May 11, 2008 10:32:10 am
Re: # 174 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 10, 2008 6:04:34 pm
ahmedmadani sahib,
you remain a comedian when you write nonsense praisng the biggest mafiaso boss of all times.
[As usual Quaid E Awam altafbhai is doing to best to save this govt and save pakistan.]
This group of uthaigeeras do not know how to save anything, except being in ruling coalition to create confusion and cause further destruction of Pakistan.
Did you ever get paid for those math lessons that your students got from you?
ahmedmadani sahib,
you remain a comedian when you write nonsense praisng the biggest mafiaso boss of all times.
[As usual Quaid E Awam altafbhai is doing to best to save this govt and save pakistan.]
This group of uthaigeeras do not know how to save anything, except being in ruling coalition to create confusion and cause further destruction of Pakistan.
Did you ever get paid for those math lessons that your students got from you?
#176 Posted by nasah on May 11, 2008 6:13:57 am
Zardari, while praising Altaf Hussain, said: “Altaf Bhai has made a lot of struggle which can never be undone,” and pledged that “we should help the MQM and the MQM should help us.”
"Mun tora haaji ba goyam tu mera haaji ba go" -- Zardari Bhaiya will forget the May mayhem if Altaf Bhaiya will forgive the December destruction.
"Mun tora haaji ba goyam tu mera haaji ba go" -- Zardari Bhaiya will forget the May mayhem if Altaf Bhaiya will forgive the December destruction.
#175 Posted by nasah on May 11, 2008 5:54:55 am
"Zardari, while praising Altaf Hussain, said: “Altaf Bhai has made a lot of struggle which can never be undone,” and pledged that “we should help the MQM and the MQM should help us.”
As one thug to the other.
As one thug to the other.
#174 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 10, 2008 6:04:34 pm
As usual Quaid E Awam altafbhai is doing to best to save this govt and save pakistan. Nobody is expressing gratitude to him. Let all pray mr. Z and NS will head sageous advice by MQM Chief Altaf hussain and both come to senses.
KARACHI: MQM founder Altaf Hussain and PPP Co-chairperson Asif Ali Zardari met on Saturday and pledged to collectively take the country out of the crisis. After the meeting, Zardari told the media the PML-Q was a reality and “we desire that the PML-Q should help the present government in all its positive steps.”
Referring to the judges’ issue, Altaf Hussain suggested that Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif should show some flexibility for the early solution of the issue.
The two leaders had a three-hour meeting at a hotel in London on Friday.
Altaf said: “We had never broken ranks with Nawaz Sharif but he did it with the MQM. We still want to join hands with him and would welcome him (Nawaz).” He said the judges’ issue should be resolved as early as possible and in an amicable manner before it was too late.
Zardari, while praising Altaf Hussain, said: “Altaf Bhai has made a lot of struggle which can never be undone,” and pledged that “we should help the MQM and the MQM should help us.”
Zardari also made a pledge to contest the next election jointly with the MQM and said any problems will be faced collectively and jointly.
Zardari told the media after the meeting that the future line of action had been discussed in the talks.
To a question, Zardari said the PML-Q was a reality and “we do not have any plans of vengeance against it and we desire that the PML-Q should help the present government in all its positive steps.”
Zardari said it was also decided that the MQM and the PPP would work jointly for the betterment and development of the country.
During the meeting, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Interior Rehman Malik and Hussain Haqqani were also present.
Replying to a question, Altaf Hussain said Nawaz Sharif was a national leader and a reality of the country and he had the mandate of the masses. “We (MQM) do not have any grudge against Nawaz.”
Altaf prayed that the unity of the PPP and the PML-N may continue as it was in the larger interests of the country.
KARACHI: MQM founder Altaf Hussain and PPP Co-chairperson Asif Ali Zardari met on Saturday and pledged to collectively take the country out of the crisis. After the meeting, Zardari told the media the PML-Q was a reality and “we desire that the PML-Q should help the present government in all its positive steps.”
Referring to the judges’ issue, Altaf Hussain suggested that Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif should show some flexibility for the early solution of the issue.
The two leaders had a three-hour meeting at a hotel in London on Friday.
Altaf said: “We had never broken ranks with Nawaz Sharif but he did it with the MQM. We still want to join hands with him and would welcome him (Nawaz).” He said the judges’ issue should be resolved as early as possible and in an amicable manner before it was too late.
Zardari, while praising Altaf Hussain, said: “Altaf Bhai has made a lot of struggle which can never be undone,” and pledged that “we should help the MQM and the MQM should help us.”
Zardari also made a pledge to contest the next election jointly with the MQM and said any problems will be faced collectively and jointly.
Zardari told the media after the meeting that the future line of action had been discussed in the talks.
To a question, Zardari said the PML-Q was a reality and “we do not have any plans of vengeance against it and we desire that the PML-Q should help the present government in all its positive steps.”
Zardari said it was also decided that the MQM and the PPP would work jointly for the betterment and development of the country.
During the meeting, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Interior Rehman Malik and Hussain Haqqani were also present.
Replying to a question, Altaf Hussain said Nawaz Sharif was a national leader and a reality of the country and he had the mandate of the masses. “We (MQM) do not have any grudge against Nawaz.”
Altaf prayed that the unity of the PPP and the PML-N may continue as it was in the larger interests of the country.
#173 Posted by arjun_5 on May 10, 2008 10:43:25 am
what happened to your old computer prophetboy? You took out your anger and frustration on it?
#172 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 10:39:41 am
#171 very good arjun. you are getting smarter every decade, i notice.
#171 Posted by arjun_5 on May 10, 2008 10:27:40 am
#168 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 10:11:27 am
mao-tse tung said "who cares if the cat is black or white if it catches mice"
mao was right..
And America doesn't care if the leash is leather or plastic as long as it whacks the jihadis...
mao-tse tung said "who cares if the cat is black or white if it catches mice"
mao was right..
And America doesn't care if the leash is leather or plastic as long as it whacks the jihadis...
#170 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 10:25:06 am
#169 so, did you do a character check on the guy who installed your security system?
#169 Posted by hamidm2 on May 10, 2008 10:20:10 am
Re: # 168
tahmed,
.... so you would have a burglar install your home security system so that he can come back and strangle you in bed ? ....... you deserve to die
tahmed,
.... so you would have a burglar install your home security system so that he can come back and strangle you in bed ? ....... you deserve to die
#168 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 10:11:27 am
#156 "personalities do matter"? only to a dimwit!
mao-tse tung said "who cares if the cat is black or white if it catches mice". now you can call mao-tse tung a fool too.
mao-tse tung said "who cares if the cat is black or white if it catches mice". now you can call mao-tse tung a fool too.
#167 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 10:11:22 am
#156 "personalities do matter"? only to a dimwit!
mao-tse tung said "who cares if the cat is black or white if it catches mice". now you can call mao-tse tung a fool too.
mao-tse tung said "who cares if the cat is black or white if it catches mice". now you can call mao-tse tung a fool too.
#166 Posted by hamidm2 on May 10, 2008 10:01:54 am
tahmed,
you are a senile old fool ! .... would you invite a buglar to install your home security system ? ....personalities do matter .... even your precious prophet had to establish his credentials as an 'honest' person (or so they say) before he was able to fool the people into buying his religion ........
you are a senile old fool ! .... would you invite a buglar to install your home security system ? ....personalities do matter .... even your precious prophet had to establish his credentials as an 'honest' person (or so they say) before he was able to fool the people into buying his religion ........
#165 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 9:43:43 am
hamidm: namecalling is no substitute for a reasoned discussion either.
and you are still squarely stuck in this personalities rut ("these lawyers are like this" and "those politicians are like that"). despite my suggestion you go up the evolutionary scale a notch and think systems and results.
and you are still squarely stuck in this personalities rut ("these lawyers are like this" and "those politicians are like that"). despite my suggestion you go up the evolutionary scale a notch and think systems and results.
#164 Posted by hamidm2 on May 10, 2008 9:39:07 am
Re: # 163
tahmed,
... you are a bigger fool than i thought ... you think zardari, nawaz, the corrupt judge and the unemployable lawyers represent the rule of law ?!! ..... don't forget that these lawyers elected malik qayoom as the president of their hijra association ........
tahmed,
... you are a bigger fool than i thought ... you think zardari, nawaz, the corrupt judge and the unemployable lawyers represent the rule of law ?!! ..... don't forget that these lawyers elected malik qayoom as the president of their hijra association ........
#163 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 9:35:49 am
hamidm: flowery language is no substitute for an argument (never thought i would have to remind you of this).
I am beginning to realize that you are sincerely challenged to rise above personalities and think of systems.
Repeat after me:
Rule of Law: Good.
Rule of Lawless: Bad.
When you have internalized that, then we shall take the next baby step towards your reaching manhood by differentiating those who are fighting for the rule of law and those who are fighting against it. So dont go monkeyman on me with that gibberese about rozinante in the meantime.
I am beginning to realize that you are sincerely challenged to rise above personalities and think of systems.
Repeat after me:
Rule of Law: Good.
Rule of Lawless: Bad.
When you have internalized that, then we shall take the next baby step towards your reaching manhood by differentiating those who are fighting for the rule of law and those who are fighting against it. So dont go monkeyman on me with that gibberese about rozinante in the meantime.
#162 Posted by hamidm2 on May 10, 2008 9:17:53 am
Re: # 158
tahmed,
.... if you would take your head out of rozinante's behind, you will see that nawaz and zardari are two sides of the same bad coin ..... last week food prices went up 25% and i lost almost 20% of my iheritance because of the rupee's fall and these bas&ards are sitting around in ostentatious apartments in london talking about restoring a corrupt judge ........
.... shame on rozinante for bringing you into town !
tahmed,
.... if you would take your head out of rozinante's behind, you will see that nawaz and zardari are two sides of the same bad coin ..... last week food prices went up 25% and i lost almost 20% of my iheritance because of the rupee's fall and these bas&ards are sitting around in ostentatious apartments in london talking about restoring a corrupt judge ........
.... shame on rozinante for bringing you into town !
#161 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 9:01:21 am
#160 delhiwala: stick to what i have written. where am i calling all indians monkeymen?
no one is a born monkeyman - you have to work hard to achieve it. like hamidm is working hard right now, and i am trying to help him reach his goal.
no one is a born monkeyman - you have to work hard to achieve it. like hamidm is working hard right now, and i am trying to help him reach his goal.
#160 Posted by delhiwala on May 10, 2008 8:56:29 am
Re: # 158
Tahmed, why are you caliing all indians as monkeymen? Did your ancesstors come from pure arabia?
Tahmed, why are you caliing all indians as monkeymen? Did your ancesstors come from pure arabia?
#159 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 8:48:35 am
(new computer folks. sorry for reperating each post below twice)
#158 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 8:47:09 am
#151 so now lota rashid has switched from being champion of "hosni mubarak sahib" to being one of the "unwashed masses"!!
And there is no difference between Nawaz Sharif calling for restoration of the judges and Asif Zardari doing his overclever best to avoid it.
Great backflips, hamidm. Soon you not only be talking like a monkeyman you will be doing backflips like one too!
And there is no difference between Nawaz Sharif calling for restoration of the judges and Asif Zardari doing his overclever best to avoid it.
Great backflips, hamidm. Soon you not only be talking like a monkeyman you will be doing backflips like one too!
#157 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 8:47:09 am
#151 so now lota rashid has switched from being champion of "hosni mubarak sahib" to being one of the "unwashed masses"!!
And there is no difference between Nawaz Sharif calling for restoration of the judges and Asif Zardari doing his overclever best to avoid it.
Great backflips, hamidm. Soon you not only be talking like a monkeyman you will be doing backflips like one too!
And there is no difference between Nawaz Sharif calling for restoration of the judges and Asif Zardari doing his overclever best to avoid it.
Great backflips, hamidm. Soon you not only be talking like a monkeyman you will be doing backflips like one too!
#156 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 8:43:10 am
hamidm #150 still sounds gibberese. stay long enough on chowk, and you will be talking fluent gibberese yourself, e.g.
"paki! paki! paki! oooooooo!! paki putteeng lipsteeck on peeg!! ha! ha!" (from Gibberese for Beginners, by Sri Monkeyman Jee)
"paki! paki! paki! oooooooo!! paki putteeng lipsteeck on peeg!! ha! ha!" (from Gibberese for Beginners, by Sri Monkeyman Jee)
#155 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 8:43:10 am
hamidm #150 still sounds gibberese. stay long enough on chowk, and you will be talking fluent gibberese yourself, e.g.
"paki! paki! paki! oooooooo!! paki putteeng lipsteeck on peeg!! ha! ha!" (from Gibberese for Beginners, by Sri Monkeyman Jee)
"paki! paki! paki! oooooooo!! paki putteeng lipsteeck on peeg!! ha! ha!" (from Gibberese for Beginners, by Sri Monkeyman Jee)
#154 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 8:37:59 am
arjun: we cant be all highly evolved monkeymen like you.
#153 Posted by tahmed32 on May 10, 2008 8:37:59 am
arjun: we cant be all highly evolved monkeymen like you.
#152 Posted by arjun_5 on May 10, 2008 7:17:29 am
#145 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:05:24 pm
going by the standard that the more people think you're a moron, the smarter you are, musharraf must be a genius then...
going by the standard that the more people think you're a moron, the smarter you are, musharraf must be a genius then...
#151 Posted by hamidm2 on May 10, 2008 7:12:04 am
lal haveli zindabad !
...... while the saviors of pakistan - nawaz, zardari and altaph bhai - are being chauferred all around london in bentleys trying to decide the future of the unwashed masses, sheikh rahshid sits in lal haveli surrounded by the odiferous masses .....
...... the good thing about sheikh sahib is that we always know where to find him - in lal haveli !
#150 Posted by hamidm2 on May 10, 2008 6:50:36 am
Re: # 148
tahemed,
.... don't tell me you have never heard the term "he has his head up the horse's ass " ..... you are rather slow on the uptake, arn't you? .... and in case you didn't know, buraq was a holy horse ......but maybe i mispoke and therefore confused you, because your horse is named rozinate ........
..... no wonder arjun babu runs circles around you
tahemed,
.... don't tell me you have never heard the term "he has his head up the horse's ass " ..... you are rather slow on the uptake, arn't you? .... and in case you didn't know, buraq was a holy horse ......but maybe i mispoke and therefore confused you, because your horse is named rozinate ........
..... no wonder arjun babu runs circles around you
#149 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 9:42:44 pm
#146 and only a total idiot thinks that musharraf, lota rashid and co are "winners".
#148 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 9:39:26 pm
hamidm #147: could you translate this gibberish (written under the influence, it seems) into plain english?
#147 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2008 9:06:47 pm
Re: # 144
arjun mian,
"his moral high horse is so tall his head is always in the clouds... "
.... the horse's head might be in the clouds, but his posterior is obviously not high enough to prevent tahmed from sticking his head up the poor nag's rear end ! ................ so what if his name is buraq
arjun mian,
"his moral high horse is so tall his head is always in the clouds... "
.... the horse's head might be in the clouds, but his posterior is obviously not high enough to prevent tahmed from sticking his head up the poor nag's rear end ! ................ so what if his name is buraq
#146 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2008 8:59:49 pm
Re: # 139
tahmed,
...... "why you think i am a fool in not betting on "winning horses"? " ......... are you serious ??? .... isn't it evident ? .... beewakoof aadmi, only a fool bets on a horse that he knows is going to loose ...
tahmed,
...... "why you think i am a fool in not betting on "winning horses"? " ......... are you serious ??? .... isn't it evident ? .... beewakoof aadmi, only a fool bets on a horse that he knows is going to loose ...
#145 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:05:24 pm
#140-143 Muslims-are-a-chosen-people-Naqshbandi and Muslims-are-Terrorists-Arjun united in their praise for me.
Please gentlemen..I am not worthy of such adulation!!
PS: Hamidm - Naqshbandhi and Arjun agree with you!! I rest my case. :-)
Please gentlemen..I am not worthy of such adulation!!
PS: Hamidm - Naqshbandhi and Arjun agree with you!! I rest my case. :-)
#144 Posted by arjun_5 on May 9, 2008 3:15:58 pm
#143 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 9, 2008 2:51:55 pm
his moral high horse is so tall his head is always in the clouds...
his moral high horse is so tall his head is always in the clouds...
#143 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 9, 2008 2:51:55 pm
arjuna,
sadly tahmed lives in cloud-cuckoo land...
sadly tahmed lives in cloud-cuckoo land...
#142 Posted by arjun_5 on May 9, 2008 12:34:35 pm
#141 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 9, 2008 10:19:38 am
did prophet tahmed(pbuhsrr) get the memo about US support being important and about the US backing the dictator?
did prophet tahmed(pbuhsrr) get the memo about US support being important and about the US backing the dictator?
#141 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 9, 2008 10:19:38 am
Mushy is obviously backed by his Chacha the US of A. Till he loses that backing he ain't going anywhere! CJ or no CJ. Lawyers movement or no lawyers movement. Why would he give a fcuk? People don't give up the kursi of the mosque committee. Do u think he will give up the Presidency?
#140 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 9, 2008 10:16:07 am
those trying to 'survive' couldn't give a monkey's toss about the CJ/Lawyer's movement or similar western-generated terms that you keep hammering on about
bravo akcheema! This is one of the best sentences ever penned on Chowk.
Look as they say in the villages of Potohar--"Eh saare alif tooN leh kar Yay tak Thagg an. AsaaN kii keh veh jaiRa kursi teh beh jaaye. Kaala vii kuttah teh chiTTa vee kuttah..."
:-)
Someone asked a poor man, Bhai do aur do kitnay? He replied, "Chaar rotiyaaN!"
#139 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 9:00:51 am
hamidm: so - it is all about your "garains" then, and whatever it is you think you are going to get by "betting on the winning horse" regardless of what it does to the country.
and btw, if sheikh rashid and raja ashraf is the best you can do by way of "winning horses", then you have my sympathies.
when i call you an idiot, i provide the reasons for it. could you be so kind as to provide the reason why you think i am a fool in not betting on "winning horses"?
and btw, if sheikh rashid and raja ashraf is the best you can do by way of "winning horses", then you have my sympathies.
when i call you an idiot, i provide the reasons for it. could you be so kind as to provide the reason why you think i am a fool in not betting on "winning horses"?
#138 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2008 8:40:41 am
Re: # 134
tahmed,
.... you are dense ! .... the reason is simple: only a fool bets on a loosing horse ......... it is called common sense which you seem to lack completely !
..... now, what do you think about the elected representatives of the unwashed masses dumping on your precious cj ?
tahmed,
.... you are dense ! .... the reason is simple: only a fool bets on a loosing horse ......... it is called common sense which you seem to lack completely !
..... now, what do you think about the elected representatives of the unwashed masses dumping on your precious cj ?
#137 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 7:51:18 am
#136 no problem sir. i am sure we are all decent people who come to chowk. Although some characters I have my doubts about (just kidding). :-)
and likewise, sorry if i sounded offensive.
Khuda Hafiz - it is early where i live, so need to focus on what I should be doing..
and likewise, sorry if i sounded offensive.
Khuda Hafiz - it is early where i live, so need to focus on what I should be doing..
#136 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 7:37:22 am
Re: # 133; tahmed
I still maintain you are a very sincere and decent person. Sorry if I appeared to be rude; it wasn't intentional.
Khuda Hafiz now...it is late where I live
I still maintain you are a very sincere and decent person. Sorry if I appeared to be rude; it wasn't intentional.
Khuda Hafiz now...it is late where I live
#135 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 7:25:21 am
#128 good boy, arjun. i didnt even have to say "fetch"!
#134 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 7:22:03 am
hamidm: you never answered my question. unless these "garains" you keep talking about is your answer.
#133 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 7:17:54 am
#129 so Pakistani society is corrupt and anyone who stands up for the law is also corrupt!!
I hope you exercise your rational mind more when operating on your patients (or whatever it is you do to them).
btw, please speak only for yourself and those among whom you grew up when making generalizations about Pakistanis. I never saw any shortage of honorable and self-respecting people in Pakistan when I was growing up there.
I hope you exercise your rational mind more when operating on your patients (or whatever it is you do to them).
btw, please speak only for yourself and those among whom you grew up when making generalizations about Pakistanis. I never saw any shortage of honorable and self-respecting people in Pakistan when I was growing up there.
#132 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2008 7:14:47 am
Re: # 125
tahmed mian,
.... i have already replied to you - if you are too dense to understand my simple answer it is not my fault .......
..... so what do you think about my garain raja ashraf and other ppp stalwarts dumping on the droopy eyed cj and hamid mir agreeing with them (reluctantly)???????
..... mian jee, wake up and smell the kava - mushy and his successors will still be around 'guiding' democracy long after you and i are gone from the scene ....... why? .... because the unwashed masses don't deserve democracy until they stop squatting by the roadside and discover deodrant - first things first !
where is sheikh rashid?
tahmed mian,
.... i have already replied to you - if you are too dense to understand my simple answer it is not my fault .......
..... so what do you think about my garain raja ashraf and other ppp stalwarts dumping on the droopy eyed cj and hamid mir agreeing with them (reluctantly)???????
..... mian jee, wake up and smell the kava - mushy and his successors will still be around 'guiding' democracy long after you and i are gone from the scene ....... why? .... because the unwashed masses don't deserve democracy until they stop squatting by the roadside and discover deodrant - first things first !
where is sheikh rashid?
#131 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 7:13:57 am
Re: # 130
sorry forgot to say
KHUDA HAFIZ and see you soon...no doubt
sorry forgot to say
KHUDA HAFIZ and see you soon...no doubt
#130 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 7:11:13 am
Re: # 129; btw tahmed
when one is hungry, just read up on the biochemical responses in the body...it is all about 'survival'.
those trying to 'survive' couldn't give a monkey's toss about the CJ/Lawyer's movement or similar western-generated terms that you keep hammering on about
time to go....enjoy
when one is hungry, just read up on the biochemical responses in the body...it is all about 'survival'.
those trying to 'survive' couldn't give a monkey's toss about the CJ/Lawyer's movement or similar western-generated terms that you keep hammering on about
time to go....enjoy
#129 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 7:08:09 am
Re: # 127; tahmed
The so-called CJs and lawyers originate in that same society rife with corruption and neputism; have you ever thought how the CJ got there in the first place?
Unless the fundamentals that run a society are changed, it is all whitewash on the surface; for apologetics like yourselves to be 'presentable' in the world; I keep repeating this sentence but nobody seems to listen:
REALITY ON THE GROUND IS VERY DIFFERENT!!
Like i said, get a reality check before you go on; also feel free to dismount that high horse of yours too...in your own time
The so-called CJs and lawyers originate in that same society rife with corruption and neputism; have you ever thought how the CJ got there in the first place?
Unless the fundamentals that run a society are changed, it is all whitewash on the surface; for apologetics like yourselves to be 'presentable' in the world; I keep repeating this sentence but nobody seems to listen:
REALITY ON THE GROUND IS VERY DIFFERENT!!
Like i said, get a reality check before you go on; also feel free to dismount that high horse of yours too...in your own time
#128 Posted by arjun_5 on May 9, 2008 7:05:06 am
prophetboy...
Call in Senate for change in pro-US foreign policy
By Raja Asghar
ISLAMABAD, May 8: Both friends and foes of the new government urged it during a Senate debate on Thursday to review what many saw as a pro-US foreign policy charted by a military-led establishment, which the coalition-leading Pakistan People’s Party said it would not become part of.
Senators from Islamic parties, majority of whom are allies of Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani’s 40-day-old coalition government, were most vehement in demanding that Pakistan withdraw from the US-led so-called war against terrorism while most of others who spoke in the inconclusive debate wanted changes to make the foreign policy independent of American dictation and for initiatives to end the scourge of pro-Taliban militancy in the country, particularly in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.
Call in Senate for change in pro-US foreign policy
By Raja Asghar
ISLAMABAD, May 8: Both friends and foes of the new government urged it during a Senate debate on Thursday to review what many saw as a pro-US foreign policy charted by a military-led establishment, which the coalition-leading Pakistan People’s Party said it would not become part of.
Senators from Islamic parties, majority of whom are allies of Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani’s 40-day-old coalition government, were most vehement in demanding that Pakistan withdraw from the US-led so-called war against terrorism while most of others who spoke in the inconclusive debate wanted changes to make the foreign policy independent of American dictation and for initiatives to end the scourge of pro-Taliban militancy in the country, particularly in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.
#127 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 7:00:27 am
#126 thanks for trying to educate me. seems to me you could use some education yourself when you wrote earlier "what makes people think the poor man who can't even afford to buy 'roti' for himself and his family even understands the concepts such as "civil society", "lawyer's movement". Why should that poor man give a damn about that idiotic looking CJ or his re-instatement."
Do you know where, after decades of experience nf controversy, there hss arisen a universal consensus on international development agencies on the pre-requisite for a nation's progress?
Answer: Good governance.
And do you understand what "good governance" means? The rule of law!
What the entire movement in Pakistan has been about. So, with all due respect to the lofty heights that you and hamidm are sitting on with the help of visas, the fact is that average Pakistani whom you two loook down upon on is better educated and has more common sense than both of you.
Do you know where, after decades of experience nf controversy, there hss arisen a universal consensus on international development agencies on the pre-requisite for a nation's progress?
Answer: Good governance.
And do you understand what "good governance" means? The rule of law!
What the entire movement in Pakistan has been about. So, with all due respect to the lofty heights that you and hamidm are sitting on with the help of visas, the fact is that average Pakistani whom you two loook down upon on is better educated and has more common sense than both of you.
#126 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 6:48:00 am
Re: # 123; tahmed,
there is absolutely nothing there that would insult any pakistani; calling a poor man poor? calling the brown-elite, brown-elite? get real!!
Here is an article by Tariq Ali you might find enlightening:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/my-heart-bleeds-fo r-pakistan-it-deserves-better-than-this-grotesque-feudal-charade-767423.html
there is absolutely nothing there that would insult any pakistani; calling a poor man poor? calling the brown-elite, brown-elite? get real!!
Here is an article by Tariq Ali you might find enlightening:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/my-heart-bleeds-fo r-pakistan-it-deserves-better-than-this-grotesque-feudal-charade-767423.html
#125 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:46:39 am
snd hamidm has disappeared rather than face the fact that he is an idiot.
#124 Posted by arjun_5 on May 9, 2008 6:45:20 am
#115 Posted by zeemax on May 9, 2008 6:33:05 am
scissor salesman: did you see the billionaires list from your old home, the united kingdom? The guy you were laughing at...laxmi mittal..did you see how much his net worth has grown..
you know...if you work really hard and keep your nose clean, mr mittal may hire you as a driver...diver for his chauffeur.
scissor salesman: did you see the billionaires list from your old home, the united kingdom? The guy you were laughing at...laxmi mittal..did you see how much his net worth has grown..
you know...if you work really hard and keep your nose clean, mr mittal may hire you as a driver...diver for his chauffeur.
#122 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 6:41:27 am
Re: # 121;tahmed
who am I supposed to have insulted now?
who am I supposed to have insulted now?
#121 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:39:08 am
#120 you dont know what i have or have not contributed to the motherland, so you are merely blowing hot air. but i know what you have contributed - insults.
#120 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 6:37:34 am
Re: # 113; tahmed
you and others can delude yourselves as much as you want; as far as I can ascertain, none of you have contributed anything of practical value to what you describe as your motherland
empty on-line debates between english-speaking ex-subjects of goras are extremely unlikely(if not impossible) to yield anything worth talking about
you and others can delude yourselves as much as you want; as far as I can ascertain, none of you have contributed anything of practical value to what you describe as your motherland
empty on-line debates between english-speaking ex-subjects of goras are extremely unlikely(if not impossible) to yield anything worth talking about
#119 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:36:00 am
#115 zeemax: greetings. i am still hoping to get a straight answer from hamidm. but he is too busy putting up the clown-and-monkey show.
#118 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:34:53 am
#114 aah..the monkey-man has joined the two clowns!
#116 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:34:16 am
cheema: like i told hamidm, unless you have something to gain, you are like the idiot who applauds bandits robbing him of what belongs to him.
#115 Posted by zeemax on May 9, 2008 6:33:05 am
#111 Posted by tahmed32,
akcheema is the same breed as hamimdm, though the latter is funnier. Both are gora crumb collectors from gora garbage heaps to which they proudly claim ownership.
akcheema is the same breed as hamimdm, though the latter is funnier. Both are gora crumb collectors from gora garbage heaps to which they proudly claim ownership.
#114 Posted by arjun_5 on May 9, 2008 6:32:46 am
#110 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:25:07 am
if the Constitution of Pakistan is treated like Musharraf's scratch pad?
It is??!!?? holy shit...that has, like, never happened before!!!
if the Constitution of Pakistan is treated like Musharraf's scratch pad?
It is??!!?? holy shit...that has, like, never happened before!!!
#113 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:32:35 am
#112 i am enjoying myself watching you and hamidm make fools out of yourselves.
#112 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 6:29:56 am
Re: # 111; tahmed
you are such a sensitive soul; you should visit me down under, enjoy a few bevvies and lighten up a little...
you are such a sensitive soul; you should visit me down under, enjoy a few bevvies and lighten up a little...
#111 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:26:32 am
akcheema: good of you to join hamidm in adding insult to injury to the average Pakistani. He needs your help.
#110 Posted by tahmed32 on May 9, 2008 6:25:07 am
#101 hamidm "when you go to the races there is no point in backing on the obvious loosers - is there?"
You keep avoiding my question - what is it that you (hamidm, or your loved ones) are winning if the Constitution of Pakistan is treated like Musharraf's scratch pad?
You keep avoiding my question - what is it that you (hamidm, or your loved ones) are winning if the Constitution of Pakistan is treated like Musharraf's scratch pad?
#109 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 6:22:54 am
Re: # 108; hamidm sahib
"like the aborigines, bushmen and people from east st louis we are not 'mature' people"
I don't know much about the others but whatever convinced you of aboriginal maturity???
they are even more of a "dung-er" than we might have been...
"like the aborigines, bushmen and people from east st louis we are not 'mature' people"
I don't know much about the others but whatever convinced you of aboriginal maturity???
they are even more of a "dung-er" than we might have been...
#108 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2008 6:18:34 am
Re: # 107
cheema sahib,
"We will be able to solve our problems ourselves when we move away/on from this silly notion and take responsibilty for what is OUR'S like the 'mature' people we claim to be" ...... but therein lies the problem - like the aborigines, bushmen and people from east st louis we are not 'mature' people ....... we need adult supervision
cheema sahib,
"We will be able to solve our problems ourselves when we move away/on from this silly notion and take responsibilty for what is OUR'S like the 'mature' people we claim to be" ...... but therein lies the problem - like the aborigines, bushmen and people from east st louis we are not 'mature' people ....... we need adult supervision
#107 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 5:23:10 am
Re: # 105; hamidm sahib,
Even for somebody who can be very 'accommodating', even I have a great deal of difficulty understanding the aboriginal problem. We can talk about it another time perhaps.
It is always customary to blame 'the white man' for all evil in the world; it is nothing but a cop out.
We will be able to solve our problems ourselves when we move away/on from this silly notion and take responsibilty for what is OUR'S like the 'mature' people we claim to be; otherwise there is no hope. We might as well have stayed under colonial rule; makes very little difference to the common man and on top of that, in my calculation, the brown elite is far more ruthless and inhumane than their colonial pre-decessors.
Even for somebody who can be very 'accommodating', even I have a great deal of difficulty understanding the aboriginal problem. We can talk about it another time perhaps.
It is always customary to blame 'the white man' for all evil in the world; it is nothing but a cop out.
We will be able to solve our problems ourselves when we move away/on from this silly notion and take responsibilty for what is OUR'S like the 'mature' people we claim to be; otherwise there is no hope. We might as well have stayed under colonial rule; makes very little difference to the common man and on top of that, in my calculation, the brown elite is far more ruthless and inhumane than their colonial pre-decessors.
#106 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 5:15:57 am
Re: # 104; majumdar bhai,
"One of the arguments that can be advanced against your line of thinking is that the poor state of the people of Pakistan is 'cos of the corrupt ruling elite "
How can that be an argument against when THAT IS exactly the argument I was making in the first place?
This ruling elite etc are all the same; NS/ZAB/BB/AZ or any other lafanga of the sort
It has more to do with our own "elite" than the bloody "us-elite" as some claim
"One of the arguments that can be advanced against your line of thinking is that the poor state of the people of Pakistan is 'cos of the corrupt ruling elite "
How can that be an argument against when THAT IS exactly the argument I was making in the first place?
This ruling elite etc are all the same; NS/ZAB/BB/AZ or any other lafanga of the sort
It has more to do with our own "elite" than the bloody "us-elite" as some claim
#105 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2008 5:06:14 am
Re: # 103
cheema sahib,
.... it is the white man's fault for refusing to bear his burden - we could have been living happily like the aborigines down under ....... at least they have electricity and are still free to run around naked if they want to and chase the kangaroo and be chased by the dingo! ...... instead, we are caught between the railroad tracks and the indoor loo - the white man forgot to take them with him when he abandoned us ......... damn the white man and his mother !
cheema sahib,
.... it is the white man's fault for refusing to bear his burden - we could have been living happily like the aborigines down under ....... at least they have electricity and are still free to run around naked if they want to and chase the kangaroo and be chased by the dingo! ...... instead, we are caught between the railroad tracks and the indoor loo - the white man forgot to take them with him when he abandoned us ......... damn the white man and his mother !
#104 Posted by majumdar on May 9, 2008 5:04:19 am
Cheema sahib,
Re: 103
One of the arguments that can be advanced against your line of thinking is that the poor state of the people of Pakistan is 'cos of the corrupt ruling elite whose concern is its own survival and not the welfare of the people. And if people can change that there is a prospect that the new system may work for the benefit of the people.
Regards
Re: 103
One of the arguments that can be advanced against your line of thinking is that the poor state of the people of Pakistan is 'cos of the corrupt ruling elite whose concern is its own survival and not the welfare of the people. And if people can change that there is a prospect that the new system may work for the benefit of the people.
Regards
#103 Posted by akcheema on May 9, 2008 4:44:09 am
Re: # 101; hamidm sahib,
I don't even bother betting as they say:"is hamaam mein sab nangay hein".
The Pakistanis have lived under colonialism (first the white man, then their brown off-shoots) that the poor couldn't care less; what makes people think the poor man who can't even afford to buy 'roti' for himself and his family even understands the concepts such as "civil society", "lawyer's movement". Why should that poor man give a damn about that idiotic looking CJ or his re-instatement.
Those who believe in such notions live even beyond the confines of the cloud cuckoo land I was originally lead to believe from there posts here.
I don't even bother betting as they say:"is hamaam mein sab nangay hein".
The Pakistanis have lived under colonialism (first the white man, then their brown off-shoots) that the poor couldn't care less; what makes people think the poor man who can't even afford to buy 'roti' for himself and his family even understands the concepts such as "civil society", "lawyer's movement". Why should that poor man give a damn about that idiotic looking CJ or his re-instatement.
Those who believe in such notions live even beyond the confines of the cloud cuckoo land I was originally lead to believe from there posts here.
#102 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2008 4:22:13 am
Re: # 101
tahmed,
.... sorry, i meant 'betting' on the obvious losers ..... but it is your money - you can throw it away if you want
tahmed,
.... sorry, i meant 'betting' on the obvious losers ..... but it is your money - you can throw it away if you want
#101 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2008 4:20:59 am
Re: # 91
tahmed,
here is a simple lesson for you: when you go to the races there is no point in backing on the obvious loosers - is there?
.... by the way, did you see raja ashraf on capital talk denouncing the droopy eyed cj for supporting musharraf's uniform and his election by that other parliament of thieves ? ..... he had no answer for why gilani cannot free akhter mengal and fire the hundreds of mushy's political appointees ........ mushy rules!
sheikh rashid zindabad ! (if the by election is postponed anohter couple of months the hungry and still unwashed masses will flock to elect him again)
tahmed,
here is a simple lesson for you: when you go to the races there is no point in backing on the obvious loosers - is there?
.... by the way, did you see raja ashraf on capital talk denouncing the droopy eyed cj for supporting musharraf's uniform and his election by that other parliament of thieves ? ..... he had no answer for why gilani cannot free akhter mengal and fire the hundreds of mushy's political appointees ........ mushy rules!
sheikh rashid zindabad ! (if the by election is postponed anohter couple of months the hungry and still unwashed masses will flock to elect him again)
#100 Posted by HP on May 8, 2008 6:33:29 pm
After saving the nuke deal for India, Achoot_5 on FP and Ahole on UP are working on the big,badass ,nuked mirchis that I sent up their phuti hoi asses on UP.
People just go and read the great thread abt the huge Indian success in signing the nuke deal...
Jana Mana gana Adnaik jai hai,
Jai hai Bharat Bhagia vadhta,
Punjab, Sindh(hehe) Gujarat, Maratha
DravirR, utkar, Ganga, Yamna,
Jai hai, Ja hai,
Jai bhang, Jai bhang
Now watch the spike in posts abt Pakistan... You see the mirchis I sent up the ghati, bhangi asses work like rockets.. One Cabbie is going to be awake all night long...Manassas Park pad neighbors watch out. You are going to have a drunk cabbie on your hands tonight....
Jai Bhang, Jai Bhang...
#99 Posted by ana on May 8, 2008 5:13:58 pm
gentlemen, back to your corners, please!
(and I use that word loosely. :o)
(and I use that word loosely. :o)
#98 Posted by arjun_5 on May 8, 2008 5:03:07 pm
30 inbred retards kidnapped..in their own country...does anyone still wonder why these losers can't win kashmir...
Troops block road to South Waziristan
* Intelligence official says move aimed at pressurising militants to remove checkposts
* Taliban attack FC convoy in Bajaur Agency, kidnap 30 troops
WANA: Troops blocked the main road leading to the South Waziristan Agency on Thursday in a confrontation with Al Qaeda-linked militants who operate there, Reuters quoted a security official as saying.
Residents of the ethnic Pashtun tribal region said tension was running high because of the blockade, which came as the new government was pursuing negotiations in an effort to end militant violence.
The blockade of the road leading to South Waziristan on the Afghan border came after fighters loyal to Baitullah Mehsud, chief of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, set up checkposts on the road to exert control over the region.
Pressure tactics: “The road is blocked to put pressure on the militants to remove the checkposts,” said an intelligence official based in the area.
Hundreds of trucks and cars were backed up along the road from the town of Tank in North West Frontier Province, residents said. The new government, led by the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), is trying to negotiate peace through elders of the Pashtun tribes in the region.
Mehsud is accused of being behind many of the bomb attacks across the country, including the one in which PPP chairwoman Benazir Bhutto was killed in December. Mehsud announced a ceasefire last month but his men later said they were rejecting negotiations mediated by tribal elders after the government refused to withdraw troops from the tribal region. Tribal elders in Waziristan said authorities had asked them to re-establish contacts with Mehsud to revive the talks.
On Wednesday night, militants attacked a police station in the Swat Valley in the NWFP killing one policeman and wounding another. They also torched two girls’ schools in the valley.
Abductions: Also on Wednesday, the Taliban attacked a Frontier Constabulary (FC) convoy in the Bajaur Agency, kidnapping 30 FC troops along with their four vehicles and ammunition, BBC Radio reported.
Troops block road to South Waziristan
* Intelligence official says move aimed at pressurising militants to remove checkposts
* Taliban attack FC convoy in Bajaur Agency, kidnap 30 troops
WANA: Troops blocked the main road leading to the South Waziristan Agency on Thursday in a confrontation with Al Qaeda-linked militants who operate there, Reuters quoted a security official as saying.
Residents of the ethnic Pashtun tribal region said tension was running high because of the blockade, which came as the new government was pursuing negotiations in an effort to end militant violence.
The blockade of the road leading to South Waziristan on the Afghan border came after fighters loyal to Baitullah Mehsud, chief of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, set up checkposts on the road to exert control over the region.
Pressure tactics: “The road is blocked to put pressure on the militants to remove the checkposts,” said an intelligence official based in the area.
Hundreds of trucks and cars were backed up along the road from the town of Tank in North West Frontier Province, residents said. The new government, led by the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), is trying to negotiate peace through elders of the Pashtun tribes in the region.
Mehsud is accused of being behind many of the bomb attacks across the country, including the one in which PPP chairwoman Benazir Bhutto was killed in December. Mehsud announced a ceasefire last month but his men later said they were rejecting negotiations mediated by tribal elders after the government refused to withdraw troops from the tribal region. Tribal elders in Waziristan said authorities had asked them to re-establish contacts with Mehsud to revive the talks.
On Wednesday night, militants attacked a police station in the Swat Valley in the NWFP killing one policeman and wounding another. They also torched two girls’ schools in the valley.
Abductions: Also on Wednesday, the Taliban attacked a Frontier Constabulary (FC) convoy in the Bajaur Agency, kidnapping 30 FC troops along with their four vehicles and ammunition, BBC Radio reported.
#97 Posted by arjun_5 on May 8, 2008 5:00:40 pm
#96 Posted by HP on May 8, 2008 3:10:38 pm
inbred retard...
oooh..I'm so scared..you tracked me down using your paki networking skills...just like you proves asia times was a front for an intel organization...
manasas park...right..
inbred retard...
oooh..I'm so scared..you tracked me down using your paki networking skills...just like you proves asia times was a front for an intel organization...
manasas park...right..
#96 Posted by HP on May 8, 2008 3:10:38 pm
Great news for chowkies...
Achoot_5, his manassas park pad, his cab, and the top security clearance saved the nuke deal for India...
Indians will be grateful to achoot_5 and his cab.
In excitement and to celebrate, he will skip his shift tonight!(please send donations for tomorrow's lunch now...)
Warning!
Watch for multiple posts on Pakistan all night long....hehehe
Achoot_5, his manassas park pad, his cab, and the top security clearance saved the nuke deal for India...
Indians will be grateful to achoot_5 and his cab.
In excitement and to celebrate, he will skip his shift tonight!(please send donations for tomorrow's lunch now...)
Warning!
Watch for multiple posts on Pakistan all night long....hehehe
#95 Posted by CreateAlpha on May 8, 2008 2:29:58 pm
Nothing will change, nothing has changed.....in the roulette table of landed gentry, mullahs and army...the people have gotten fucked and they will be keep getting fucked. there is nothing you can do about it. Just sit back and get a piece of it, that is the best you can do as a pakistani. tick tock!!!
#93 Posted by tahmed32 on May 8, 2008 12:11:04 pm
#82 zeemax: there can only be one of two reasons, per #91. i cant imagine anyone in his right mind applauding the Ghoonda-Lota Complex in Pakistan.
#92 Posted by tahmed32 on May 8, 2008 12:05:35 pm
hamidm: if it makes you feel better, i was an idiot too when i applauded musharraf taking over - because i actually hoped that he would live up to his word and restore the constitution within a few months. what is your excuse for continuing to be an idiot after all these years??
#91 Posted by tahmed32 on May 8, 2008 11:39:17 am
hamimd: so which is it again? do you have a personal stake in siding with the lawless in Pakistan, or are you merely applauding those who are stealing from you because you are an idiot? i would be much obliged if you could address this question.
#90 Posted by hamidm2 on May 8, 2008 7:10:42 am
Re: # 88
zeemax,
..... thanks, but i will support general kiyani instead ... the unwashed masses are better off starving to death instead of being beheaded for having a little fun ...
general kiyani zindabad !
zeemax,
..... thanks, but i will support general kiyani instead ... the unwashed masses are better off starving to death instead of being beheaded for having a little fun ...
general kiyani zindabad !
#89 Posted by hamidm2 on May 8, 2008 7:04:00 am
Re: # 87
urstruly,
... don't tempt arjun mian.... that boy can probably track down your ip address even if it is in a cave somewhere along the pak-afghan border .....
urstruly,
... don't tempt arjun mian.... that boy can probably track down your ip address even if it is in a cave somewhere along the pak-afghan border .....
#88 Posted by zeemax on May 8, 2008 7:03:28 am
#85 Posted by Urstruly,
True. So hamidm2 should support us. We're the ones who may save him from a one way ride to the guillotine park.
Yes, the situation is very bad. With rice at Rs. 100 a kilo and atta not available except at high-end stores, there will be hell to come if this is not fixed - and fast!
True. So hamidm2 should support us. We're the ones who may save him from a one way ride to the guillotine park.
Yes, the situation is very bad. With rice at Rs. 100 a kilo and atta not available except at high-end stores, there will be hell to come if this is not fixed - and fast!
#86 Posted by arjun_5 on May 8, 2008 6:46:19 am
#85 Posted by Urstruly on May 8, 2008 6:38:26 am
but we must keep the vigil.
How's the vigil going from up there in canuckistan?
but we must keep the vigil.
How's the vigil going from up there in canuckistan?
#85 Posted by Urstruly on May 8, 2008 6:38:26 am
Zeemax;
probably, they were waiting for this moment when people's enthusiasm would dry off, and people would begin to accept the status quo as a carved in stone reality. Yes the situation is that dire, but we must keep the vigil. These haramkhor foujis kuttas, bayshaaram politicians, and kanjar sarkari moulvis need to be reminded every minute that they are nothing but a sorry excuse for human excrement. What kind of pieces of shit they are.
We have a debt toweards the people who were ruthlessly murdered by these madarchods, burnt alive, and made to disappear. These bhenchods are going down. That is what really is carved in stone.
probably, they were waiting for this moment when people's enthusiasm would dry off, and people would begin to accept the status quo as a carved in stone reality. Yes the situation is that dire, but we must keep the vigil. These haramkhor foujis kuttas, bayshaaram politicians, and kanjar sarkari moulvis need to be reminded every minute that they are nothing but a sorry excuse for human excrement. What kind of pieces of shit they are.
We have a debt toweards the people who were ruthlessly murdered by these madarchods, burnt alive, and made to disappear. These bhenchods are going down. That is what really is carved in stone.
#84 Posted by hamidm2 on May 8, 2008 6:18:36 am
Re: # 82
zeemax,
.... if you remember, before the elections i was supporting nawaz sharif and any other unbearded civilian without the mark of the devil on his forehead ...... i have lots of posts with zardari zindabad and nawaz sharif zindabad; the only constant is sheik rashid, who is my home boy......... but i am a realist and belive in hedging my bets ..... and even though i would love to see the civilians running the show, these clowns don't have their act together ...... the drama played out by nawaz sharif and zardari on the cj issue is almost as bad as anything musharraf has done ...... these bast$5ds are mocking and insulting tahmed's unwashed masses who are starving to death while one is servicing his harem in dubai and the other is roaming around london ! ........ shame on them and the jackass they rode in on !
zeemax,
.... if you remember, before the elections i was supporting nawaz sharif and any other unbearded civilian without the mark of the devil on his forehead ...... i have lots of posts with zardari zindabad and nawaz sharif zindabad; the only constant is sheik rashid, who is my home boy......... but i am a realist and belive in hedging my bets ..... and even though i would love to see the civilians running the show, these clowns don't have their act together ...... the drama played out by nawaz sharif and zardari on the cj issue is almost as bad as anything musharraf has done ...... these bast$5ds are mocking and insulting tahmed's unwashed masses who are starving to death while one is servicing his harem in dubai and the other is roaming around london ! ........ shame on them and the jackass they rode in on !
#83 Posted by hamidm2 on May 8, 2008 6:10:40 am
Re: # 77
tahmed,
.... you old fool! ..... musharraf is better than hosni mubarak - his guided 'path to democracy' is better (and more devious) than anything hosni could come up with ..... unfortunately you and i will be long dead before this journey to democracy ends .....
..... and please stop cpomparing zardari and nawaz sharif to washington and jefferson ! .... do you realize how silly that sounds ??!!
.... i don't particularly like musharraf, but he is still the man in charge ..... so
president musharraf zindabad!
sheikh rashid zindabad!
p.s. don't get too depressed - the droopy eyed cj will be 'restored' but he will be defanged, neutered and about as useful as tits on a bull ..........
tahmed,
.... you old fool! ..... musharraf is better than hosni mubarak - his guided 'path to democracy' is better (and more devious) than anything hosni could come up with ..... unfortunately you and i will be long dead before this journey to democracy ends .....
..... and please stop cpomparing zardari and nawaz sharif to washington and jefferson ! .... do you realize how silly that sounds ??!!
.... i don't particularly like musharraf, but he is still the man in charge ..... so
president musharraf zindabad!
sheikh rashid zindabad!
p.s. don't get too depressed - the droopy eyed cj will be 'restored' but he will be defanged, neutered and about as useful as tits on a bull ..........
#82 Posted by zeemax on May 8, 2008 6:02:58 am
#80 Posted by tahmed32,
I've never understood though why hamidm supports musharraf. What did musharraf do which was good for the country anyway?
I remember lots of folks here used to argue re his economic 'miracle', and I had said all along it was an illusion. Do they see now where that miracle disappeared?
I've never understood though why hamidm supports musharraf. What did musharraf do which was good for the country anyway?
I remember lots of folks here used to argue re his economic 'miracle', and I had said all along it was an illusion. Do they see now where that miracle disappeared?
#81 Posted by arjun_5 on May 8, 2008 5:36:53 am
I thought it was going to be a new leash on the old dog that is pakiland..
I was wrong...It's still going to be the old leash..
here doggy...grease up..bend over...
I was wrong...It's still going to be the old leash..
here doggy...grease up..bend over...
#80 Posted by tahmed32 on May 8, 2008 4:41:55 am
#78 I agree with majumdar. What Musharraf (and Hamidm) are up against are the tides of economic forces. The american revolution was brought about not by indentured servants and slaves but by moneyed men - washington, hamilton, jefferson and co. The french revolution came about after a century of rising prosperity.
I agree with zeemax too - people had gotten increasingly fed up of the arrogant, lawless and ultimately incompetent ways of musharraf, and his "firing" of the CJ on march 9 was the last straw.
The rising middle classes are the rising tide for democratization and the rule of law. And middle classes (unless they are like hamidm) dont tolerate "hosni mubaraks" for too long.
I agree with zeemax too - people had gotten increasingly fed up of the arrogant, lawless and ultimately incompetent ways of musharraf, and his "firing" of the CJ on march 9 was the last straw.
The rising middle classes are the rising tide for democratization and the rule of law. And middle classes (unless they are like hamidm) dont tolerate "hosni mubaraks" for too long.
#79 Posted by zeemax on May 8, 2008 4:25:34 am
#78 Posted by majumdar,
I disagree majumdar. What is happening today is the inevitable consequence of rising fed-up-ness level.
I disagree majumdar. What is happening today is the inevitable consequence of rising fed-up-ness level.
#78 Posted by majumdar on May 8, 2008 4:20:00 am
Tahmed sahib,
Re: 77
What is happening in Pakistan today is the inevitable consequence of rising income levels, literacy rates and awareness levels. There is no magic in it. If this trend continues, maybe in another 10-15 years military intervention in politics wud be unthinkable. Just like much of South East/East Asia (barring China).
Regards
Re: 77
What is happening in Pakistan today is the inevitable consequence of rising income levels, literacy rates and awareness levels. There is no magic in it. If this trend continues, maybe in another 10-15 years military intervention in politics wud be unthinkable. Just like much of South East/East Asia (barring China).
Regards
#77 Posted by tahmed32 on May 8, 2008 4:13:19 am
#73 hamdim: actually, you were predicting that musharraf would become the "hosni mubarak of pakistan" and i said he would become the "convenient idiot of the politicians" - and the latter is essentially what musharraf is doing his best to be kept on as now that his ambitions of being a life-long dictator are gone with his "wardi".
As for your view that the "unwashed masses" of pakistan are doomed to stay that way - first, the "unwashed masses" who turned "hosni mubarak wannabe" to "convenient idiot wannabe" led by civil society (lawyers, human rights activists, journalists). not by foul-mouthed, foul-smelling unwashed maulvis.
And the civil society in Pakistan, the champions of the "unwashed masses", is going to grow stronger with each passing year.
So - once again, I hope there is something you are personally gaining by applauding the lotas, ghoondas and corrupt politicians. Because otherwise you seem like an idiot, applauding bandits who are busy helping themselves to what is yours.
As for your view that the "unwashed masses" of pakistan are doomed to stay that way - first, the "unwashed masses" who turned "hosni mubarak wannabe" to "convenient idiot wannabe" led by civil society (lawyers, human rights activists, journalists). not by foul-mouthed, foul-smelling unwashed maulvis.
And the civil society in Pakistan, the champions of the "unwashed masses", is going to grow stronger with each passing year.
So - once again, I hope there is something you are personally gaining by applauding the lotas, ghoondas and corrupt politicians. Because otherwise you seem like an idiot, applauding bandits who are busy helping themselves to what is yours.
#76 Posted by philosopher on May 8, 2008 1:33:25 am
Re: # 75
hamid deserves a good firm spanking.After taming neembu my next task is to make his old bottom sore.
hamid deserves a good firm spanking.After taming neembu my next task is to make his old bottom sore.
#75 Posted by ana on May 8, 2008 1:09:13 am
hamid:
all these years you've been lying to us???!!! jhooTa, makaar, farebi!
all these years you've been lying to us???!!! jhooTa, makaar, farebi!
#74 Posted by zeemax on May 8, 2008 12:42:20 am
#72 Posted by hamidm2,
Wow! Could you share that with us please?
Wow! Could you share that with us please?
#73 Posted by hamidm2 on May 8, 2008 12:14:21 am
Re: # 67
tahemd,
..... i am not the one who is mocking the unwashed masses - the poor fools made a mockery out of themselves by voting for these clowns and actually believing that things would be better .... i could say, 'i told you so', but i won't ..... and stop blaming zardari, nawaz sharif is no better ....... don't you ever question what these guys are doong galavanting in london and dubai when the unwashed masses are struggling to buy a 10 rupee roti and sweltering in the heat without electricity ? .......... the reason i like sheikh rashid is that he can always be reached at the lal haveli in pindi sweating under his rayon hair ........
so now maybe you will join me :
sheikh rashid zindabad!
prsident musharraf zindabad!
.......... as these horrible hindoos like to point out so often, moslems and democracy just don't go together .... so let's accpet our hosnis, abdullahs and gaddafis and get on with life ........sorry to burst your bubble (again)
tahemd,
..... i am not the one who is mocking the unwashed masses - the poor fools made a mockery out of themselves by voting for these clowns and actually believing that things would be better .... i could say, 'i told you so', but i won't ..... and stop blaming zardari, nawaz sharif is no better ....... don't you ever question what these guys are doong galavanting in london and dubai when the unwashed masses are struggling to buy a 10 rupee roti and sweltering in the heat without electricity ? .......... the reason i like sheikh rashid is that he can always be reached at the lal haveli in pindi sweating under his rayon hair ........
so now maybe you will join me :
sheikh rashid zindabad!
prsident musharraf zindabad!
.......... as these horrible hindoos like to point out so often, moslems and democracy just don't go together .... so let's accpet our hosnis, abdullahs and gaddafis and get on with life ........sorry to burst your bubble (again)
#72 Posted by hamidm2 on May 8, 2008 12:04:55 am
Re: # 70
ana,
..... now you are tarnishing the poor atheists !...... that is the problem with you religious types - mohammedans, christians and jews - you think atheists are worse than hindoos and even lower that mirzaees ...... no wonder nobody wants to fess up to being an honorable atheist .....
...... by the way, i was born a moslem and will die a moslem ..... whether i believe in all that nonsense about men and angels conversing in dark caves, is another story ..... like tahmed, i have my own interpretation of islam which transcends the koran and sunnah .....
ana,
..... now you are tarnishing the poor atheists !...... that is the problem with you religious types - mohammedans, christians and jews - you think atheists are worse than hindoos and even lower that mirzaees ...... no wonder nobody wants to fess up to being an honorable atheist .....
...... by the way, i was born a moslem and will die a moslem ..... whether i believe in all that nonsense about men and angels conversing in dark caves, is another story ..... like tahmed, i have my own interpretation of islam which transcends the koran and sunnah .....
#71 Posted by hamza_yusufzai on May 7, 2008 7:42:36 pm
Chalein mein maazrat kiyayy layta hoon...mayra kissi kayy ghar aana jana to hay nahii..aap kehtii hein kay hamid dayharya hay to mein manay laytay hoon...
waysay mayri schooling st. judes mein hoi hay....mayra shikwa nafrat say nahii hay, generalization or niri jahalat say zyada hay.
waysay mayri schooling st. judes mein hoi hay....mayra shikwa nafrat say nahii hay, generalization or niri jahalat say zyada hay.
#70 Posted by ana on May 7, 2008 7:36:24 pm
hamza hamza hamza, . . . . :(((
hamid is a blazing atheist, has been since time immemorial which is how old he is too and the sharaab hasn't killed him yet. he belongs to none of us, so yahaaN ownership ka sawaal hi paida nahiN hota. what the hell are you talking about?
hamid is a blazing atheist, has been since time immemorial which is how old he is too and the sharaab hasn't killed him yet. he belongs to none of us, so yahaaN ownership ka sawaal hi paida nahiN hota. what the hell are you talking about?
#69 Posted by hamza_yusufzai on May 7, 2008 7:28:31 pm
ana bibi (sine jee seems 2 be ur pet peeve) i get it that u might not want him...but we get blamed 4 our ass-holes so u need to own urs...he is wat he is..i have said many a times that we dont treat our minorities well in pakistan n shame on us but when these bitter individuals gain annonymity than that hate n bitterness is on display with all guns blazing..which might be justified to some extent but as a society we shouldnt justify crazies pissing in the air..the society at large needs to be protected..if someone likes to soak in there own piss than they should fill upp a glass n drown in it in the privacy of there own home...take a page from the playbook of muhtaram mirza ghualm ahmed qadiyani for the love of God.
#68 Posted by ana on May 7, 2008 6:02:55 pm
yusufzai:
hamid is no masih or "anointed one". please do not tarnish the masih by associating that with him.
he will thank you one day. :)
hamid is no masih or "anointed one". please do not tarnish the masih by associating that with him.
he will thank you one day. :)
#67 Posted by tahmed32 on May 7, 2008 3:22:19 pm
#56 hamidm: I hope you have something to personally gain out of this mockery of the people's will that has been made by zardari in joining hands with the mqm murderers and the rogue general. because if you do, then at least you have some shred of logic (however short-sighted and selfish) behind your applause. otherwise, you are merely an idiot.
#66 Posted by zeemax on May 7, 2008 12:40:58 pm
#65 Posted by Urstruly,
Sir, I fully agree.
Now how about writing an article like 'That Whore' again? I've been asking you for a year. Let's talk about something else.
The course has been set, as you had predicted and I had given a two year time for another experiment in controlled democracy. Nothing will change it.
So, what will be, will be.
Now how about that article, Urstruly? Real Guy De Maupassant style!
Sir, I fully agree.
Now how about writing an article like 'That Whore' again? I've been asking you for a year. Let's talk about something else.
The course has been set, as you had predicted and I had given a two year time for another experiment in controlled democracy. Nothing will change it.
So, what will be, will be.
Now how about that article, Urstruly? Real Guy De Maupassant style!
#65 Posted by Urstruly on May 7, 2008 11:35:32 am
Re: # 64
Neither Musharaf will go anywhere nor judges are going to come back. The real reason is that that the ruling elite is one and the same. This system of corruption, inefficiency, and lawlessness benefits ALL OF THEM immensily. They can squander billions and get away with it. They can even get away with cases of murder. As urdu proverb goes, have they been bitten by a mad dog to change all this?? No, they will preserve it no matter what it takes. That was the reason, benazir was murdered because she wouldn't have sold PPP so cheap. Zardari is a thrid class small timer, Mr. 10%, corrupt to the core and thus easy to control. Americans have vested interest to keep this status quo because a corrupt nation is easy to control, especially when it is the most important country in Islamic world. Any positive change in Pakistan will mean a domino effect in rest of the muslim world.
But what all these badmash a/holes don't realize is that the times have changed. It is no more on their side. A repeat of what was happening before Feb 18, in this country will bring these a/holes down to their knees in six months. I hope they realize the sort of peril they are in.
Neither Musharaf will go anywhere nor judges are going to come back. The real reason is that that the ruling elite is one and the same. This system of corruption, inefficiency, and lawlessness benefits ALL OF THEM immensily. They can squander billions and get away with it. They can even get away with cases of murder. As urdu proverb goes, have they been bitten by a mad dog to change all this?? No, they will preserve it no matter what it takes. That was the reason, benazir was murdered because she wouldn't have sold PPP so cheap. Zardari is a thrid class small timer, Mr. 10%, corrupt to the core and thus easy to control. Americans have vested interest to keep this status quo because a corrupt nation is easy to control, especially when it is the most important country in Islamic world. Any positive change in Pakistan will mean a domino effect in rest of the muslim world.
But what all these badmash a/holes don't realize is that the times have changed. It is no more on their side. A repeat of what was happening before Feb 18, in this country will bring these a/holes down to their knees in six months. I hope they realize the sort of peril they are in.
#64 Posted by bulleya on May 7, 2008 10:37:58 am
what does the ppp gain from joining with musharraf and pml-q/mqm........nothing.......
it loses a lot.......
so why is it trying to save musharraf......one would have to say the americans want to give him a safe exit......the parliament can be controlled by ppp........but judges cannot.......
so they need the judges to be neutralized......after which musharraf gets a safe exit.......retires to boston.......and life goes on......
the usa ensures hosni and others that if there is ever a revolution agasint them, they can protect them......and to keep that confidence, they need to ensure musharraf gets a safe exit.....
it loses a lot.......
so why is it trying to save musharraf......one would have to say the americans want to give him a safe exit......the parliament can be controlled by ppp........but judges cannot.......
so they need the judges to be neutralized......after which musharraf gets a safe exit.......retires to boston.......and life goes on......
the usa ensures hosni and others that if there is ever a revolution agasint them, they can protect them......and to keep that confidence, they need to ensure musharraf gets a safe exit.....
#63 Posted by hamza_yusufzai on May 7, 2008 9:20:57 am
Hamid Masih's angst is understandable whenever there is a hint of good news for the people of pakistan and his monkey dance at the carnage is the manifestation of his rape that took place at the hands of chowdry sahab in raja bazar, so although we should have pitty but there is no real reason to take him seriously.
Now, what the fukk are we talking about. Are we actually saying that democracy is a bad idea and we should go back to Army rule because the coalition hasnt been able to resolve ALL our problems in 30 days? Ground realities are fact of life and we all know that estab. is a menace that wont be curbed easily, but does that mean we convlude the principal. And that principal is that the will of people should rule, people who are beneficiries of status-quo should and must advocate the perpetuation of it, we see it all day long on our tv screens in shape of Malik qayyum, tariq aziz et al, but anyone with a mere shred of decency and fairness should be sick to there stomach at this blatant rape of the will of people at the hands of estab.
There is nothing wrong with being rich, but if your wealth was accumulated at the expense of the poor than i shouldnt have to even say that its wrong. I know things on ground require a certain level of compromise with the devil but for the love of God at least on an anon cyber forum agree with the principal.
Now, what the fukk are we talking about. Are we actually saying that democracy is a bad idea and we should go back to Army rule because the coalition hasnt been able to resolve ALL our problems in 30 days? Ground realities are fact of life and we all know that estab. is a menace that wont be curbed easily, but does that mean we convlude the principal. And that principal is that the will of people should rule, people who are beneficiries of status-quo should and must advocate the perpetuation of it, we see it all day long on our tv screens in shape of Malik qayyum, tariq aziz et al, but anyone with a mere shred of decency and fairness should be sick to there stomach at this blatant rape of the will of people at the hands of estab.
There is nothing wrong with being rich, but if your wealth was accumulated at the expense of the poor than i shouldnt have to even say that its wrong. I know things on ground require a certain level of compromise with the devil but for the love of God at least on an anon cyber forum agree with the principal.
#62 Posted by Urstruly on May 7, 2008 7:23:20 am
Re: # 56 Sachasaint
Well said. Everything in that banana republic is upside do
Well said. Everything in that banana republic is upside do