Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul

#133 Posted by guru on May 7, 2008 4:03:39 am
guru,

Country is greater than individuals. I agree but talking abt a Mahatma (abt his murder) is abhorrant.

The list of things u gave are good but do u think that Indian schools dont teach abt the great ppl u mentioned? If so then u are not educated in India. If u think that the works of those ppl ALONE be taught then u better live in a cocoon.

What Greece did and doing is to the detriment of that great civilisation there. The best brains of Greece find jobs elsewhere leaving Greece for the teaching of its greats sons of the bygone era. India want to emulate Greece i.e learning abt India's great past???

I am gald that u proved urself right here.

"Indian civilization is still under gulami and probably more so, as prophet Munnanhai (PBUH) says "Des Apana Hogaya Par Log Paraye Hogaye."

Few sound bytes for right perspective:

"In the modern planetary situation, Eastern and Western 'cultures' can no longer meet one another as equal partners. They meet in a westernized world, under conditions shaped by western ways of thinking."
--- W. Halbfass"

(u neened a gora to prove ur point. SO much for love for native wisdom:( )

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Whatever said and done Gandhi was the key figure in India's independence. His ideas of cohabitation were pulverised by Islamists then but now the Hindutva brigade wants his name earsed from India is something I find unpalatable. His ideas are stupid as well as sublime but he never had a charter for India. He had a vision, a vision of goodwill and good people.

Guru,

You were against us participating on Chowk. I thought you would never come back :)

Re: # 134:Majnu,

dont have much time ... religion and dharma are like chalk and cheese. Pl read my past posts filtering out gali-galoch and anger. dharma is rooted in the land you stand on and enjoying life you are living.

If you truly mind your regards then you would read before spit out ...

Guru,

Please do not despair. A (Islamic) version of the ideology that you worship is fast gaining currency in NWFP under the able guidance of Mahatma Baitullah Mehsud.

Regards

Nkg,

Godse fool aborted India's true emancipation. Pl dont go by the caricature of Gandhi. If this Gandhi phenomenon had ran its course for another 15-20 years then following would have happened:
1. Dissolution of congress and birth of true democracy.
2. JN and other job seekers who were colonized in mind would not implemented alien concept of "secularism." Dharma is secular by design.
3. More integration of Dharmic folks ie uprooting of casticism.
4. Babu license raj would not have taken birth.
5. Citizens with more sense of belonging and social responsibility. Less corruption.
6. Franchise based on character and not on age. Caste politics would not have taken birth.
7. Environmentally benign real long term growth instead of fake green revolutions.
8. More emphasis on primary and secondary education and that too in vernacular medium. We would know more about our Pannini, Patanjali, Buddha, Nagarjuna, Dharmakirti, Bharthrhari, Shankara, Abhinavgupta, Bharata Muni, Gangesh, Kalidasa, Aryabhata and dozens of other great classical thinkers produced by India.

9 Technology and science growing from the grass roots. Now too late in the game, west will go on printing more $/Eu and we will go on doing testing, maintaining and nominally improving the technological products, the ownership will be always in their hand in forseeable future.

Indian civilization is still under gulami and probably more so, as prophet Munnanhai (PBUH) says "Des Apana Hogaya Par Log Paraye Hogaye."

Few sound bytes for right perspective:

"In the modern planetary situation, Eastern and Western 'cultures' can no longer meet one another as equal partners. They meet in a westernized world, under conditions shaped by western ways of thinking." --- W. Halbfass

Spiritual and intellectual svaraj (self-rule) is as fundamental to the long term success of a civilization as is svaraj in the political and financial areas.

Hardware is civilizational India but the OS is western. Cut and paste constitution is not Indian. far away from RamRajya so every one is breaking the law ...people have dont feel ownership of the law.

While India supplies information technology, biotechnology, corporate management, medical and other professionals to the most prestigious organizations of the world, it is unable to supply world-class scholars in the disciplines of its own traditions.

The most comprehensive and challenging knowledge representation systems available outside the West are contained in the Indian Classics but we are on the verge of losing it, because of foolish secularism of JN.

India even the non-aligned JN's India inspite of its economic growth is fast falling into the ghetto of South Asia.

They are talking End of History hope they start talking End of Religion, an Abrahmic exploitive concept.

Towards the end Gandhi had become the only tablet which could trnasform the western mind from inside. Godses of this world could have used it for his and Golwalkar's goal which were not that different from Gandhi's.
...Sorry I do not have time to elaborate or discuss, but I could not help this one. Young folks please don't murder Gandhi over and over again.

Vengy,

One swallow does not make a summer. But I am surprised that his homeland (India) has not disarmed itself volunatrily and turned the other cheek to Paki karnameys in Kashmir, Kargil etc.

Regards

Majumdar,

A few days back I saw a news item on a self-sustaining British village. Looks like Gandhi was not only ahead of his contemporaries but our contemporaries too.

It was on CNN-IBN.

Vengy,

Look. We all admire his ideals but none of us wants India to adopt his ideals unilaterally. That about sums up MKG's greatness!!!

Regards

Re: # 128

Majumdar,

Nobody cares if Gandhi was foolish or intelligent. What endears him is his ideals, which brings out the innate goodness of human beings and which reassures us about the goodness of being good.

Have we ever analysed the foolishness of Ram and Lakshman in running behind a deer or Yudhistra's acceptance to sit for a game of gambling?

VRV,

(not going to take away the greatness of Gandhi.)

MKG is a great man. And yet his followers will never advocate that India follow "Gandhian ideals" (unilaterally that is).

Beej bhaiyya,

(Jinnah tapped into it rather well and benefited in attaining his ambitions.)

So basically what you are saying is that Muslims are basically fundamentalist and separatist people by nature and that MAJ (pbuh) merely tapped into their basic tendency. In that case would it not be fair to admit that:

Pakistan was created by Muslim's innate fundamentalism and that MAJ (pbuh) was merely a unwitting agent of it.
MKG was a fool to have tried to represent both Hindoos and Muslims and that it wud have been better to have just defended the Hindoo's interest.

Regards

Re: # 124

Majumdar,

Muslims know that their God is different from Ram. Afterall almost all of the IMs know Ramayana upside down...:)

Majumdar,

Whatever u try to dominate the board here is not going to take away the greatness of Gandhi.

Gandhi is Gandhi. What I get from ur michief is that Gandhi was not khattarpanthi enuff.

Just in short…

(5) Anybody who thinks that Gandhiji believed in state controlled religion is either deluded or engaged in the worst form of deception. The term “Ram Rajya” was used symbolically, and only symbolically.

(6) Support for the Khilafat movement was VERY prevalent among large sections of Indian Muslims around the First World War, well before Gandhiji became active in INDIAN politics. Gandhiji did not bring it about. His intent in supporting it – perhaps misguided – was the notion that it would generate goodwill among Mussalmans and Hindus and coalesce into one force. To an extent it did happen – during 1919-1922, Indians were very united although a point has been made by historian Lawrence James that many of the Muslims did not believe in Gandhiji’s techniques and were only interested in using his “vehicle” of the agitation. Anybody who preaches the canard that it was Gandhiji’s support for the Khilafat movement which caused Muslim fundamentalism in India is being dishonest – the roots of that characteristic are far deeper and longer in history. The fundamentalism was there to be tapped – Jinnah tapped into it rather well and benefited in attaining his ambitions.

More in the evening, if I can get around to it.

Both concepts mean rule of God and I dont think the Islamists have ever claimed that they intend to oppress the minorities and women (what happens in actual practise is a different matter altogether!!!). We feel threatened by Talibs but I am sure Muslims dont feel comfortable when they hear the word Ram Rajya either.

Regards

#122 by majumdar

MKG's concept of Ram Rajya is the same as Hukumat-e-Ilahi that Maulana Baitullah Mehsud and his ilk advocate in Pakistan.

Majumdar bhai, you know very well what the Taliban rule meant for women and minorities. Are you saying Mehsud is going to do anything different? OTOH, is there any evidence that Gandhi's Ram Rajya meant the Hindu equivalent of Taliban rule?

Vengat,

(We have a sizeable Muslim population with us )

When have I argued otherwise? Btw, what needs to done to win their heart is no different from waht is needed by non-Muslims as well. These include:

Fast economic growth.
Improved policing, law and order and administration of justice.
Investment in the country's HRD sector (education/ healthcare).
Social harmony.

Re: Dharmam. MKG's concept of Ram Rajya is the same as Hukumat-e-Ilahi that Maulana Baitullah Mehsud and his ilk advocate in Pakistan. I hope you have no problems with H-e-I either.

Regards