I Spy Hindutva

@ Mr. India (Comment #24)

If you see ghrina as my motive then that is your perception. I don't think I need to shirk from calling a spade.

If my analysis is incorrect then so be it, but I don't think I'm guilty of misinterpretation. Only, probably, misled by all my sources collectively.

I never said that the Hindutva hasn't done good to society. In fact, I am part of a couple of organizations. One that promotes Sanatana Dharma on campuses and another more Hindutva-oriented. And for all the good reasons that you and I are aware of.

I do come from the business community ... you are right. So my views should simply be branded and put aside, right ?

Hindutva is the ideology of a section of the lower middle class.

It feeds off of an anger that has embedded itself in their consciousness. This anger is rooted in a feeling of being cheated by that modernization that hasn't kept its promises. Young men who didn't get anywhere in life are susceptible to manipulation because what Hindutva offers is a sense of belonging from which they extract a sense of society and purpose.."

Its true of any community.The riots and visible discrimination is on the 'street' mainly .In the country clubs exclusive resturants and society the rich of every community sing kum-bayas.

Such ghrina for the other group is customary for the socially and economically well of.The wrter comes from business community known for its wealth.

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Re: #5
"It feeds off of an anger that has embedded itself in their consciousness. You can make the same statement for Communism or Islamism. "

Mr. Laddu, I thought you very busy reading some enlightening material! Calling Islam ISLAM-ism and equating it with man-made Kameena-ism is a mistake!

And there's no embedded anger here, and if there is, it is only against evil and wickedness.

Regards.

Vaibhav:

Sometimes it is OK not to be polite. These Hindutva freaks derive inspiration from badly printed photographs of Shivaji, Rana Pratap and Bhagat Singh. It is, of course, beyond their comprehension that none of these guys were "mobsters".

#13 Posted by mistaken_enigma

Vaibhav:

"What I have done, instead is picked up Hindutva and talked about ..... Its intellectual agenda"

Sorry, but how can you talk about something that does not exist?

#13 Posted by mistaken_enigma:

Vaibhav:

" I am not fighting. I am not preaching a need to fight anything."

Yeah, I understand you .... but the hindutva types will brand it as "cowardice". Needless to say that their bravery come out while operating through mobs and their brave acts are manifested in actions such as those which involve pulling out unborn babies from wombs.

#14 Posted by HP,

Is it true that Hindutva ideology is for sexually frustrated people?

This may or may not be true, but certainly the below line by the author is 100% true as seen right here on Chowk:

"Hindutva is the ideology of a section of the lower middle class."

One can easily see the difference between various Hindu interactors here in proof.

Vaibhav,

A very good article. What is scary about these Hindutva fanatics is that they are just a few steps away from using State power (the commies have already done it in WB and the dhotis in Gujrat). Fanatical thugs like Togadia and Modi are being backed by intelligent, calm and calculating butchers like Sudarshan (I actually like to call him the DON of Jhandewallah). They have already started defining a Hindu in their own terms for, as you correctly say, ".... they have always been embarrassed and felt humiliated by Hinduism as it is."

..... The actual reason as to why they are humiliated by Hinduism is because Hinduism never accepted them in the past (remember the Jan Sangh).

@ nb (Comment #11)

I think ideological writing is very different from ideological scrapping, and rewriting on the basis of appropriateness.

@ Laddu ji (Comments# 5-8)

I don't think I have confused the 2 concepts, though, as you say, I may not have done a decent job at saying that the two are different.
You have referred to the age old Dhimmitude. I'm not at all as well read as you seem to be and honestly, I would never have heard of it if not for the September 11 attack. My point in quoting whoever, was to say that by writing so we are in a way maintaining double standards. On the one hand, a picture of Arab Imperialism is being distributed whereas on the other, nationalistic origins and loyalties are being announced.
I am indeed may be less knowledgeable about Jinna-dharma (although what you have listed as your summary of Jainism are concepts that I have high regard for. I particularly enjoy talking about Anekantavada to people here in Texas as well as back home). At the same time, I am involved as and promote Sanatana Dharma here in the United States even as a university student.

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I am not fighting. I am not preaching a need to fight anything. You must notice that this article doesn't point at anyone or wag a severe finger at anyone in particular. I have refrained from taking any names. Why? I simply don't believe that violence with words is necessary at all.

What I have done, instead is picked up Hindutva and talked about
1) Its roots
2) Its double standards
3) Its separation from the secular
4) Its intellectual agenda
5) Its projected inevitable reign

And though all this is the bulk of what I have written, the point of my write-up is everything apart from this. I wanted to sing a song in which Sanatana Dharma which began out as a rhythm-less melody has been drowned in the loud beats and tones of nationalism (I apologize to all music lovers for using such a horrid analogy) and eventually hypothesize the death of Hinduism (in India) at the very hands of Hindutva – an idea of Nandy's.

"Hindutva is the ideology of a section of the lower middle class. It feeds off of an anger that has embedded itself in their consciousness. This anger is rooted in a feeling of being cheated by that modernization that hasn't kept its promises. Young men who didn't get anywhere in life are susceptible to manipulation because what Hindutva offers is a sense of belonging from which they extract a sense of society and purpose..."

Baivab,
you are absolutely wrong. The upper middle class is more close to BJP/RSS than any other segment. They may not like destruction of Babri Mosque, but treat this as harmless (not the way secularists treat as hell imposed upon it) activity.
The way sectarian violence gripped in Pakistan ( Shia, Sunni , Ahmadis), you should be grateful that Indian culture does not promote such activity ( Jain, Budhdhist, Sikhs Vs. Hindus never happened).
It is simply useless (better to say harmful) to have mediaval, middle east barbarism on this soil. It does not serve any purpose. It rather creates a 3rd class, mediaval slaves, who are totally disconnected from the land and it's civilisation. Pakistan, Bangladesh etc... is glaring example of this. If RSS becomes successful in suppressing this evil in India, this should be welcomed.
Apart from Jains,Budhdhists and Sikhs, there are couple of thousands of Parsis and Jews. I have never seen any confrontation between RSS and these people...

Vaibhav, did you get any death threats for joining the facebook group you did? Just curious, surely such a malignant, dangerous cult would issue death threats?
You deny that Jainism is the same as Hinduism, and that is your choice-not that of many of the many, many Jains I know-but at the same time you seem to want to criticise Hindutva from the inside. As a non-Hindu, your fear of Hindutva is entirely justified, and an article like this is unremarkable, except for the obvious confusion of it's author.
There are many forms and degrees of Hindutva, just as there are many forms of Hinduism. By lumping them all together, you do exactly what the most right wing elements want you to do.
Lastly, surely you do not suggest that the history books which were written before the rise of the BJP owed nothing to ideology?

Come on, guys, give the author a break. He is a twenty year old kid. He has a right to try out different ideas. His last article elicited exactly zero (0) responses.

We should be engaging him - if he feels confident enough to enter into discussions -, and teaching him, instead of criticizing him.

(If he is not ready, let the poor kid go. The debate, if any, should be communists and other outsiders who leverage children for their own purposes.)

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Mr. India, what does Taj-Mahal have to do with any of this?