I Spy Hindutva

Mistaken enigma: it is your perception, or dare I say it, your ideology, that determines the difference between ideological scrapping and ideological writing.
At least you have the honesty to admit ideology does play a role in the writing of history, and has for millenia.
For decades, there were no complaints when a predominantly, if not entirely Marxist/Congress view of history was sold to generations of schoolchildren. The other side of the picture needs to be seen as well, and I support the telling of the whole story.

@ nb (Comment #33)

I like your stand. It is definitive and sincere.
My friend feels the same about Marxist academics and their conceptualization of Indian History.

What about writers like Ram Sharan Sharma, Satish Chandra, Arjun and Indra Dev ? All of their stuff was scrapped and rewritten too. I mean evidential arguments is one thing but when passages upon passages are removed from textbooks with no explanation; that is simply distortion for political purposes - intellectual barbarianism.

Re: # 30

Harimau,

No way. SC/STs are more affluent than you.

Btw, When is the sambandhi bojanam with them?

Muslims know to fight Amrikans. Can you fight the SC/STs?

Re: # 28
Any fake naked 'saadhu' can be your REAL friend, all because he abuses Islam!

I would not label Geeta-haters my friends.

Start talking sense by your 16th. birthday!

So, initially I thought I was to blame for this banter.
But on retrospect, I don't think we have ever needed a stimulus to start fighting amongst each other.
If y'all are indeed proud chowkies, please remember that this is a platform for dialogue and introspection and our motive or goal is lasting peace and understanding.
We all joined on this pretext.

It's funny that I'm euphemistic about this too.
'Banter' ... HA !

#2Harimiou

'Self-hatred has been instillled in Hindus more effectively by Jwahirullah Nehru and his minions at JNU than by the Britishers.

Vaibhav Jain, however, is the first example of a Jain ashamed of not being a Muslim or Christian'

And what kind of Indian are you who does not understand any of the three national anthem of HINDU india?

Looks like u r ashamed to be Indian is it b/c u r more Tamil or dont understand Hindi or detest equality of human practiced in mosques unlike u r brahmin mandir ?Inquiring mind wants to know Jai Hind



sāre jahān se acchā hindostān hamārā
ham bulbulain hai is ki, yeh gulsitān hamārā

ghurbat men hon agar ham, rahta hai dil vatan men
samjho vahīn hamen bhī, dil hain jahān hamārā

parbat voh sab se ūnchā, hamsāya āsmān ka
voh santari hamārā, voh pāsbān hamārā

godi men kheltī hain is ki hazāron nadiyā
gulshan hai jin ke dam se, rashk-e-janān hamārā

aye āb, raud, ganga, voh din hen yād tujhko
utarā tere kināre, jab kārvān hamārā

maz'hab nahīn sikhātā āpas men bayr rakhnā
hindvi hai ham, vatan hai hindostān hamārā

yūnān-o-misr-o-romā, sab miṭ gaye jahān se
ab tak magar hai bāqi, nām-o-nishān hamārā

kuch bāt hai keh hastī, miṭati nahīn hamārī
sadiyon rahā hai dushman, daur-e-zamān hamārā

iqbal ko'ī meharam, apnā nahīn jahān men
m'alūm kya kisī ko, dard-e-nihān hamārā

Translation
Better than the entire world, is our Hindustan;
we are its nightingales of mirth, and it is our garden abode

Though in foreign lands we may reside, with our homeland our hearts abide,
Regard us also to be there, where exist our hearts

That mountain most high, neighbor to the skies;
it is our sentinel; it is our protector

In the lap of whose, play thousands of rivers;
gardens they sustain; the envy-of-the-heavens of ours

O waters of the Ganga mighty, do you recall the day
when on your banks, did land the caravan of ours

Religion does not teach us to harbour grudges between us
Indians we all are; India, our motherland

While Greece, Egypt , Rome have all been wiped out
till now yet remains, this civilization of ours {it has stood the test of time}

Something there is that keeps us,our entity from being eroded
For ages has been our enemy, the way of the world

Iqbal! Is there no soul that could
understand the pain in thy heart?

#2Harimiou

'Self-hatred has been instillled in Hindus more effectively by Jwahirullah Nehru and his minions at JNU than by the Britishers.

Vaibhav Jain, however, is the first example of a Jain ashamed of not being a Muslim or Christian'

And what kind of Indian are you who does not understand any of the three national anthem of HINDU india?

Looks like u r ashamed to be Indian is it b/c u r more Tamil or dont understand Hindi or detest equality of human practiced in mosques unlike u r brahmin mandir ?Inquiring mind wants to know Jai Hind



sāre jahān se acchā hindostān hamārā
ham bulbulain hai is ki, yeh gulsitān hamārā

ghurbat men hon agar ham, rahta hai dil vatan men
samjho vahīn hamen bhī, dil hain jahān hamārā

parbat voh sab se ūnchā, hamsāya āsmān ka
voh santari hamārā, voh pāsbān hamārā

godi men kheltī hain is ki hazāron nadiyā
gulshan hai jin ke dam se, rashk-e-janān hamārā

aye āb, raud, ganga, voh din hen yād tujhko
utarā tere kināre, jab kārvān hamārā

maz'hab nahīn sikhātā āpas men bayr rakhnā
hindvi hai ham, vatan hai hindostān hamārā

yūnān-o-misr-o-romā, sab miṭ gaye jahān se
ab tak magar hai bāqi, nām-o-nishān hamārā

kuch bāt hai keh hastī, miṭati nahīn hamārī
sadiyon rahā hai dushman, daur-e-zamān hamārā

iqbal ko'ī meharam, apnā nahīn jahān men
m'alūm kya kisī ko, dard-e-nihān hamārā

Translation
Better than the entire world, is our Hindustan;
we are its nightingales of mirth, and it is our garden abode

Though in foreign lands we may reside, with our homeland our hearts abide,
Regard us also to be there, where exist our hearts

That mountain most high, neighbor to the skies;
it is our sentinel; it is our protector

In the lap of whose, play thousands of rivers;
gardens they sustain; the envy-of-the-heavens of ours

O waters of the Ganga mighty, do you recall the day
when on your banks, did land the caravan of ours

Religion does not teach us to harbour grudges between us
Indians we all are; India, our motherland

While Greece, Egypt , Rome have all been wiped out
till now yet remains, this civilization of ours {it has stood the test of time}

Something there is that keeps us,our entity from being eroded
For ages has been our enemy, the way of the world

Iqbal! Is there no soul that could
understand the pain in thy heart?

#36 Tahir

Kambakhat Tahir,

Why are you so "fond" of the Cheema? Calling him a naked saadhu on a board he is not even on.

And BTW, why are you and your Islamist pals so sensitive to the "abuse" of Islam?

If your faith is strong enough, shouldn't it be able to handle it?

Why do you have to go chopping off heads simply because anybody - man, woman, or child - squeaks "I don't know about this!"?

Re: # 40

Mr. India, you are of course aware that the guy who wrote that song (Iqbal) left for Pakistan as soon as he got the chance?!!

Harimau is Harimau, but the point you miss is there is legitimate room for making the argument that the "seculars" in India are hypocrites whose rant is limited to beating up on the Hindus while letting all the Muslim fanaticism go undiscussed. It is entirely possible that the rise of the BJP and like-minded parties over the past two decades is more a result of the general population becoming wiser to that duplicity rather than anything else - including what these BJP wallas are saying.

correction: bjkumar sahib--allama iqbal -may Allah perfume his resting place!--passed away to His Lord in 1938--a full 9 years before Independence.

Also, from what I have read of Iqbal (ra), his Pakistan was to be an autonomous PART of the Indian Union not an independent country...

Re: # 43

Naqshbandi sahib, thanks for the clarification. I have no idea where I read about his emigrating to Pakistan - but I had always wondered how anyone writing those lines could actually emigrate! (But then, poets are notoriously unstable!)

"My friend feels the same about Marxist academics and their conceptualization of Indian History."

Let the text books , when they provide Marxist Historiography say it loudly that it is based upon the marxist view. Same should be about the hindutva view of history. I think that would make things fair enough than teaching children contorted and one sided view of the history as 'official truths' in text books.

I remember reading the NCERT books that certainly was based upon the marxist reading of history. It was much later I could understand the other side of story.

We need to provide the school going children an understanding of politics of historiography as well so that they can understand that what is being taught is NOT an official 'historical-truth'.

Re: # 44 mr.n. those things are gone. anotomous part etc could have worked in 1040s, now talk of that , or such things can lead to bifercation of country, especially baloachistan, and MAJOR ENERGY gas comes from there. without cheaper gas export economy can get hurt very badly. talk of atonomy is extremely dangerous and terror tactics use like bla will have god sent opportunity tojustify in historical sense.please do not bring back that . thanks

Re: # 46
Bharti Laddu

So you read official historical 'truth 'or you just feel that it was UN truth not sure what truth is .



What is YOUR truth .Is this line of direction more in line with non Marxist No ncert Non one sided view Histriography

"The term Tajmahal itself never occurs in any mogul court paper or chronicle even in Aurangzeb's time. The attempt to explain it away as Taj-i-mahal is therefore, ridiculous......