I Spy Hindutva

vaibhav, gratifying to find you discussing issues and ideas without resorting to cheapening tactics or abuse. This requires both conviction and courage. Please excuse my frosty welcome in #10.

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I am among those small voices advocating a partial re-orientation of the Indian mind. Throughout our existence, we have made these critical shifts - be they under the great leadership of Adi Shankara, the Buddha, Lord Mahavira, or Guru Nanak.

These great souls changed the Indian mind without ever hurting it, let alone killing it. So change should not be equated to death (especially in our change-oriented framework wherein change EQUALS life).

As before, the trick may be to position ourselves somewhere between the two extremes and twin dogmas (from our pov) of "no change" and "death."

#65

Many things can be said about change
1}rolling stone gathers no moss

2]A change is as good as fiesta

Even often misunderstood by hindus Allama Iqbal warned


3)

Na sambhlo ge aiye hindustan wallon
Tumhare dastan tak na hogi dastanon maine

Somthing like my country men ( at that time undivided India)if you dont correct yourself

You will perish so completely that no signof you will remain even stories

It is important to note that ijtihad is an accepted concept in Islam( Not static ,dynamic ,changing like in adaptation.) No one, not even most orthodox 'alim, can deny its legitimacy.

This tradition clearly brings out the significance of ijtihad in Islam. It must be borne in mind that Islam itself came into existence in a Meccan society which was undergoing basic socio-economic 'changes'. The pre-Islamic or jahiliyah laws not only were becoming obsolete but downright obstacles for further moral, spiritual and material growth of society.Islam needs some serious IJTEHAD

Islam and its laws thus were not the product of a stagnant society but a society which felt a need for transcendence. Islam catered to the spiritual, moral and material needs of this newly emerging society. It gave new principles and laws acutely needed by the people. The Islamic response to the changing needs of the Meccan society was not only material but also moral and spiritual. Since Islam came into existence in a changing society it emphasised the need for dynamism and the principle of ijtihad embodied its spirit of dynamism.

It was the later generation of 'Ulama who while accepting the principle of ijtihad in theory de-emphasised it in practice. They evolved the concept of taqlid (unthinking imitation) in its place though they cannot quote any hadith from the Prophet in its favour. Taqlid, in a stagnant Islamic societies, thus became a widely accepted principle, as pointed out above. However, today all Islamic societies are experiencing fundamental social changes and rethinking on many issues has become very vital

@ Salim_Chauhan ji Re: # 64

I can't take credit for that. All I did was translate Arun Kumar Tripathi's work.

Thanks for the supportive note at the end.

Hate stems from fear.
Both Shakespeare{"In time we hate that which we often fear"} and his biggest critic GB Shaw {"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated"} concurred on this one.

The day calls for all of us to come together and realize that there is neither any real need to fear anything and the friction that exists is simply in our minds.

Chowk does a great deal in initiating this.

Re: # 64

Salim Bhai,

"A lot of people see success in today's India - I see nothing short of an oligarchy deliberately manufactured for the self-interests of a few high-caste hedonists at the top. This unfair monstrosity will definitely come tumbling down in good time - hopefully with as little violence as possible."

Don't tell me you hate India...You have so much love for this country...

Vengataraman, Vaibhav, neither of you has any idea what you're dealing with. He was born hypothyroid and never treated.

Re: # 69; nb

do you mean to say a CRETIN??

Re: # 70

and who is this person you are talking about?

Re: # 69

nb,

akcheema is stalking you. I have been observing him on UP too...Tell him it looks obvious :)...

Re: # 72; vengat

for the record, that isn't true. She seems to be the only person around today!!

what the heck is going on?

Re: # 73

akcheema Saab,

There's very little activity on the site...Everybody must have had the sanity potion a little bit too much yesterday. Btw isn't it time you aussies say 'goodnite'...

I was wondering where you were. There is a post that has you as its protoganist...See be a Hindu atheist or a Muslim atheist, the result is the same...

Re: # 74; vengat

I am still at work mate; which post are you referring to?

btw; don't try to spread unnecessay rumours; looks like a lot of people got banned which isn't fair

Re: # 75

Visit unplugged...peon Saab says you are a Kafr :D...okie...no more rumours from me ...hahah

Re: # 76; vengat

they have been on my case for a while; I try to stay away from these distractions if I can

generally harmless I reckon but I don't like my name displayed all over the place

Re: # 75; akcheema


"looks like a lot of people got banned which isn't fair "

Cheer up...they will all come back with a new nic...

Akcheema and I turn up at the same time, because we are in the same time zone, unlike the rest of you, mainly across the Pacific or Indian Oceans. You still at work, akcheema?
Yes, a cretin, but umm, we don't say that any more, do we??

I am generally in favour of freedom of speech, but when it is only used to abuse women, I have to rethink. I still don't believe he should be banned, though. I totally appreciate that Vaibhav has the best interests of our country at heart, but in his place, I would be very worried if the person I am referring to had praise for my article.

BTW, I may be moving Sydney side, so be very careful :)
And g'night, both of you.

Re: # 79

g'nite...