Can the Judiciary Save the Coalition?

Illiterate Zardari -- a 'will-work-for-bribe' man of easy virtues -- was a ten ton albatross in Benazir neck -- that always prevented the literate murhooma to achieve her deserving heights in national and internation politics.

Now Zardari is an albatross around Nawaz's neck preventing him to rise for the occasion. Zardari reminds me of the lead 'Kheda Elephant' -- trained by Mahout Musharraf through NRO bribes -- to entice and bring back the wild elephants of Pakistan political jungle -- like Nawaz Sharif for the Musharrf's stables -- from where such useless donkeys like chaudrys are about to be kicked out.

It is timme for Nawaz Sharif to re-evalute his relationship with the monkey on his back -- if the CJ is not reinstated.

Re: # 48

hp,

.... i will admit that i am particularly upset today because i did not move my rupees into an fe25 account ...... and i blame these two clowns for my considerable losses ........ as far as the unwashed massses are concerned, they could not afford a four rupee roti so it doesn't make any difference if it goes to six or twelve - those poor bas$$&ds are destined to starve in any case ....

..... i am ready to call for an annulment of this farcical election and reinstatement of musharraf and sheikh rashid .....

........bhar mein jaye democracy shamocracy ! ..... i just want the rupee to go back to 60 .......

Re: # 48

hp,

"You see on this thread Urstruly sounds like he is abt to commit suicide anytime"

........... every cloud has a silver lining :)

Yeh Munsif Bhi to Qaidi Hain
Humain insaaf kiya dain gey
Likha hai in key chehron par
Humain jo faisla dain gey
Yeh munsif bhi to Qaidi Hain...

(written by the Late Habib Jalib)

can anyone answer a simple question : why are these clowns meeting in london instead of islamabad ????? ...... who is picking up the travel expenses for these jokers and their entourages ? .....

...... i find it intriguing

Re: # 53; hamidm sahib
"can anyone answer a simple question"

a simple question that demands very complex answers; maybe someone here is learned enough to rise to the occasion.

where did tahmed go?

hamidm:

"..... i am ready to call for an annulment of this farcical election and reinstatement of musharraf and sheikh rashid ....."

I try to restrict my comments on Pakistani politics these days, partly because some Pakistanis don't like outsiders commenting on their issues and partly because the life span of any prediction is still too short.

However, since you are very fond of saying "I told you so". let me restate what I said on a board a few weeks ago when everyone was celebrating the victory of democracy. I had said then that the true test would come a year or two later when the politicians have made a mess again and the civil society once again starts clamouring for a military rule. Looks like that such a situation might happen sooner than two years.

See, for good or bad, Pakistani civil society - and the unwashed masses did exactly what the civil society wanted, so don't blame them!- does not have the patience either for corrupt politicians or the khakis. They love democracy as a concept but are not willing to accept its outcome. The Indian civil society, too, is not proud of the outcomes of its democracy which produces corrupt, bickering and uncouth politicians like Lalu, Mulayam, Modi or Maya. But, again, for good or bad, the Indian civil society, while whining against such outcomes, never thinks of changing the process (which some call democracy) that produces such outcomes.

So, the Pakistani civil society has to decide; if it really wants democracy, it has to put up with the unsavoury outcome it produces. If they can't, then the unwashed masses would go for the taliban who do speak the language they understand and the outcome which would be more or less what they promise.

Re: # 45

Hamidm sahib:

"president ... zindabad!
"sheikh ... zindabad!

Don't you think you devalued your "Zindabad" to shouts of "unwashed masses"?

Atleast in India these unwashed naare baaz get paid. Here you paid for it through devaluation.

Re: # 53 pLEASE READ FOLLOWING.
nOW ALL THIS IS DONE SHOW THE CONTEMPT FOR HAMID'S UNWASHED PEOPLE. PEOPLE DO NOT PAY RESPECTS TILL YOU SHOW THEM THEIR PLACE.THIS IS MEETING LIKE BIG COMPANY EXECUTIVE AND ADDS GLAMOR OF DUBAI AND LONDON. MAY BE INDIANS SHOULD START DOING IT, GOING TO LONDON. ALL BADMASH

#25 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 9, 2008 9:14:03 pm
Mr. Masadi, HP , Mujumdar and all...... You all been right in many ways.
CJ stuff helped to damage general and withstanding that same CJ person has accepted and sanctified general. I feel it is sad the poitical parties can distract mainattention from real country facing more not so moral but mortal problems of inflation of essentrial basic like wheat, atta,fuel and general down grading of law and order. Real inflation is definitely raging like wild fire and I can note in the amount spent by my wife and how much reduced things she buys just a year back. It is classical case of elites over concerned about CJ and Z and NS personal politics , like when rome was buring the roman emperor was busy with trivial thgings.
The way things are going is distressing. Look at in short time mr. Z and NS have gone out of country. Why future of pakistan not be decided in Lahore or karachi. Why need to all these leaders of PP and PML NS have to go to Dubai and then to London , tamasha , why take on world tour. Only excuse that can be accepted is MQM Chief is in London and he is crucial player and PPP chief mr. Bilawal Zardari Bhutto are in london. But there is no news anout meeting of 4 giants in london. Even for show when the discontent is at pick and people are very angry , instead of paying attention to read problems , people should feel the leaders are trying best, it absolutely does not appear. If take back yourself and look at problems they are huge like Me. Churchill faced and he stood eith his people, we have problems of Churchillian magnitude but no churchill in Site.
Every day passing is blowing of targets by BLA and religious warrier have met stalement with army. And NS and Z are worried about CJ. Even if CJ is restored and NRO is intact still there is no hope. It appears in first 40days the performance of govt is very negative and regressive. It appears the so called elected people have not offered any thing not even false hope. Rupee is constantly loosing against weakened dollar. Rupee has reached nadir but it is still going down does not seem to hit the bottom.
If these elected people do not do anything be atleast do not go on foreign trips when country is reaching bottom every way.
The talk of C J is totally discordant note and jarring. Tomorrow if if Zeemax goes with his G machine and cuts necks of all "leaders" nobody will miss them or shed tears but people will say make sure and trow in Arabian see for sharks.

#53 Posted by hamidm2
"can anyone answer a simple question : why are these clowns meeting in london instead of islamabad ?????"

Are you sure you're from pindi cantt? Every paindo on murree road knows the answer(some from the outside know that too). The short answer is they have run out of the safe houses in Islamabad.
The long answer: there are many parties in these dialogs and communications from Pakistan to the outside world are not secured. Mostly agencies listen to politicians conversations.
I am sure Zardari house in Isloo is bugged. Read abt the secured phone and eavesdropping in Bhutto's book from his death cell, if I am hanged. Also Benazir and Nawaz both knew and made sure they never talked abt something important on the govt property. Farooq Laugari when he was President, used to look for rooms in the President house that he thought were not bugged.usually found them on the tenth floor. Even the bedrooms in the PM and the president house are bugged. Now you now why Mushy is still in the army house...

The army and its agencies in Pakistan have loooong reach!

Enough secret information on a nonsecured site...

Re: # 55 DM

I think people get pissed at you not because you interfere in their affairs but because of your innanities. You take them some kind of stupid? There is a military dictatoir sitting on top of this banana republic who throws bones to the so called elected ones and make them wag their tails like the mutts they are and you call this a democracy? Less than 10% voting population casts its votes in a scitifically rigged election and this is democracy for you? People are not averse to the unintended consequences of democracy; they just hate it being taken for a ride all the time by these arrogant piece of shit, pro-western ruling elite.

Urstruly:

I was reacting to the post which suggested that the military rule was better than the spectacle of fighting politicians now.

I think that you also missed "what some call democracy" in my post. Even in the US and Canada, the percentage of people voting is not very high. And while elections in India are more or less clean, they were not always so, with booth-capturing and what-not; even then the so-called civil society did not question the system itself. Even in the US, many people think that Al Gore was cheated out of a victory by false counting. That's the western system of democracy for you and it ain't perfect and may not even be suited to the genius of all peoples.

Re: # 58 HP

You missed the correct answer. The correct answer is that both of these mutts have gone abroad to take orders from their foreign masters. In case you haven't heard; Richard Boucher is arriving in London today to meet these two assholes and tell them how to get out of this mess, which they created to give this ruling elite a modicum of credibility.

Re: # 60 DM

I may be the skeptical one but it is quite obvious that we cannot get out of the hole we are in today, with climbing a ladder of democracy. The corrupt ruling elite, the pirs, the fouji harami, the feudal lords, the drug dealers, and other assorted m/fs are deeply entrenched to keep the status quo alive and well. This system of corruption, inefficiency, and lawlessness has benefitted them immensely. Some of these assholes are probably the richest people in asia today, because of this system. I do not think that anything less than guillotines, firing squads, and lynching can solve our problems. THese assholes have just lost their last chance as well.

Re: # 56

"Hamidm sahib:

"president ... zindabad!
"sheikh ... zindabad!

Don't you think you devalued your "Zindabad" to shouts of "unwashed masses"?"

Anil sahib -- you are taking Hamidm's satire a little too seriously -- in reality Hamidm sahib is a satirical anarchist.

DM sahib -- despite the fact that "lay gaya jalim chora kar sonay kee janjeer bhee" you do love Musharraf don't you...:)