When a Knock at the Door is Not Enough

Re: # 44
You need not be dignified with a response

Re: # 47
Thank you, Pakistan3 for your kind attention however I do not argue for the sake of arguments as to each is their own, inshaAllah Islam shall rise once again depending only on the characters of it's believers.
I wish you all the best.
Thanks & best regards.

Re: # 48

izuber

How do you correct my "misunderstandin" when you live a life of confort in foreign land and decide to dictate to me what I should or shouldn't do in my homeland.

You left this country of your own volition. Deal with it! Don't bring your self riteousness to teach me or other members of your "ex"-compatriots what they should or shouldn't do. That is for US to decide.

This is OUR country so keep out of it. Your decision, not ours. You can't have the "best of both worlds".

Kindest regards

I think this is izuber's way of telling urstruly how out of touch his post is with islamic tenants. He is completely right in that approach.

Currently islamic societies like all third world societies have a horrible track record towards women and we should confront that mentality by pointing out the principles of islam like izuber did.

Pakistan3 you are another emotional character who does not appear to deserve the regarded accorded here in my response.

The Pakistan you appear to be so charmed about has been contributed more than it's worth by only one family of mine, and I will leave it for Allah SWT to judge.

When it comes to Islam it has no geographical boundaries and before you open your mouth to use the "rubbish" word again stretch your brain a little because it is overly rusty and attempts to set a different standard of deen for each geographical boundaries.
What you claim to be your country did not have the money to pay it's govt. employees the first salaries it was contributed to by the compliments of our people, when the State Bank of Pakistan wished to issue currency there was no Gold reserve in your empty tank our compliments you got it.
When you drown and are thrown around by the wrath of Allah SWT you spread your hands more to USA as compared towards the sustainer Allah SWT and yet you have the audacity to speak like this.
You "Pakistan3" remember that beggars cant be choosers and I am saying this because of what you like to hear since this is the type of organisms that help run the electrons towards your brain if there is one.
It is not your country and I can substantiate that very well, you are one of those who would sell whatever to get to the banks of USA and be the first to wrap yourself in the not so green card & the star spangled banner, you are one of those low lifes who live on bad-mouthing & envying others.
I dont need to correct your misunderstanding because you have more than that a disease that cant be cured. Go back to your cage.

Re: # 49

“You need not be dignified with a response”

Zuber, That’s much appreciated and very welcome from where I stand. The best thing you can do is to keep your mouth shut. It’s characters like you who are keeping women in servitude by flashing your 6th century Arabian garbage that is no longer applicable even in the place it started in. Only an idiot will compare place of women in Islam to that in Christianity and Judaism, why can’t it stand on it’s own merit? You know why? Because it has no legs to stand on. Now go back into the cave.

Re: # 53

izuber,

(When you drown and are thrown around by the wrath of Allah SWT you spread your hands more to USA as compared towards the sustainer Allah SWT and yet you have the audacity to speak like this.
You "Pakistan3" remember that beggars cant be choosers and I am saying this because of what you like to hear since this is the type of organisms that help run the electrons towards your brain if there is one.)

How dare you you self riteous prick! Just buzz off!

Who do you think you are? We are not beggars like the white man's slave that you have been all your life and now remembers Islam and Allah's blessings!

We believe in Allah more than you imagine as that is ALL we have here! And you have the audacity to tell us that WE are the beggars!!

Keya baat hai bhai!

buzz off to your rizk-givers where you have brought up your three generations according to Allah's teachings. If you had such belief, why did you not wait and look for RIZQ here?

I have nothing more to say to a hypocrite like you.

Allah nigehbaan

Urstruly,

Your comment about "women are asking for it cause they are running their tongues" lacks basic humanity.

In relationships both male and female lash out at each other and push each other's buttons. In the indian pakistani culture, the man considers it macho to beat the shit out of somebody. Since he is typically not able to pick fights with men as they may be stronger, and since the woman is typically weaker, that's where the man becomes sher. Really macho. Wow.

In the pakistani culture, there is an added "mullah" dimension that makes it ok to hit women, if they misbehave.

Did the prophet ever hit his wife? Me wonders.

This is not a religious issue. This is a fundamental issue of how we treat each other.

I think if a man does want to thrash his wife etc, it should at least be a level playing field where she can bring a knife or a gun to the fight.

Re: # 55
buzz off to your rizk-givers where you have brought up your three generations according to Allah's teachings. If you had such belief, why did you not wait and look for RIZQ here?

This is where your Islam begins or ends?

Wait and look for Rizq? go learn from the teachings of Islam, the Quran the Hadith and then come back to post another time.

Those who keep sitting by the well dont quench their thirst, it takes one to move and make an effort, that people typical to your thinking fail to do, because Allah SWT has said that HE does not help those who do not help themselves.

May Allah SWT bless you & me with wisdom to appropriately understand and place things where they belong and avoid entangling un-necessarily, ameen.

Volume 3, Book 48, Number 847:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The signs of a hypocrite are three:
(1) whenever he speaks, he tells a lie,
(2) whenever he is entrusted, he proves to be dishonest,
(3) whenever he promises, he breaks his promise.

Re: # 57

izuber, I have already said what I had to say here and on the other site with HP.

What a hypocrite you are !!

Allah nigehbaan

#37 Kulharee

I am glad you'd asked. Holy Prophet (pbuh) has set a very high standard for the rest of humanity viz a viz women. It needs a book to describe these standards and this short post cannot do justice. He gave the women the first human right, that is life, where a girl infant was burried alive and father would hide his face with shame for days if a baby girl was born in his house. Isn't it the case in many societies in the world where female fetuses are aborted everyday for their crime of being a female. He said " a woman is as delicate as a rose, (treat her as such". He would stand up when his own duaghter used to visit him. Once a man came to him and said that he had helped his mother perform hajj while carrying her on his shoulders because she was too old and frail; so did he pay his debt of duty towards his mother or not? The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said "not even; you couldn't even pay the debt of one night when you were an infant, you wetted the bed; your mother put you on the dry side of the bed while she slept all night on the wet side of the bed."

These are the standards that our Prophet has set for us. The cornerstone of these standards is balance, justice, and equity. So he said to one group of women once " You know; most of the women will go to hell for one single reason; because they often say to their husbands "the whole life you have done nothig for me". So kulharee has your wife ever told you this that you have never done anything for her. What is your reaction then?

You see; this is called the balance and equity. My problem with western style of women's right is that they protray men as monsters who are just out their eating little girls. This is pathetic. The consequence of this is that in their society now men are marrying men and women are marrying women.

Yes in Muslim world women get the raw deal but there are overwhelming number of muslim men too who would give their lives in love for their daughters, wives, mothers, and other women in their lives.

If in Muslim world women get a raw deal, then so do they in Western world, where woman has been reduced to a cog in the big capitalist economic wheel; she has been deposed from her privige as a mom, a wife, and sister. I know it is not politically correct to say it, but what he position of woman in west is any different than of a prostitute? heck men won't even own the children begotten by them.

So if womens right is important, then they should strive to get back their priviliges first, starting from west.

Kulharee, pakistan3,

izuber has said nothing offensive. You may think Islam is the root of all troubles, I think otherwise. It is a beautiful religion and I am hapy and proud to be a muslim.

izuber is pointing out that the mullah worldview is at odds with the teachings of Islam.

Please direct your vitriol instead, at the mullahs who are perpetuating anti-islamic teachings.

Re: # 56 hurrican

There is nothing macho about a man who beats his wife; as a matter of fact anyone who does this is nothing but a miserable littel piece of ....

You have correctly pointed out as to what causes such a transaction. As the urdu proverb goes you cannot clap with one hands. So we must have a balanced overview while looking at behavioral misconduct on part of both men AND women.

From the one who bestows Rizq and blessing upon all of us:

Al-Baqara
2:212 The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will.

Al-Yunus
0:31 Say: "Who is it that sustains you (in life) from the sky and from the earth? or who is it that has power over hearing and sight? And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living? and who is it that rules and regulates all affairs?" They will soon say, "(Allah)". Say, "will ye not then show piety (to Him)?"

Al-Hajj
(This verse tells about those who take a step in the name of Allah SWT be it migration or to defend the land)
22:58 Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision.

(In the Ayah below, Allah SWT does not discuss anywhere that should the believer be located in Pakistan, China or North America)
24:38 That Allah may reward them according to the best of their deeds, and add even more for them out of His Grace: for Allah doth provide for those whom He will, without measure.

An-Naml
27:64 Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Say, "Bring forth your argument, if ye are telling the truth!"

Al-Ankabut
29:60 How many are the creatures that carry not their own sustenance? It is Allah who feeds (both) them and you: for He hears and knows (all things)

SAba
34:24 Say: "Who gives you sustenance, from the heavens and the earth?" Say: "It is Allah. and certain it is that either we or ye are on right guidance or in manifest error!"

Fatir
35:3 O men! Call to mind the grace of Allah unto you! is there a creator, other than Allah, to give you sustenance from heaven or earth? There is no god but He: how then are ye deluded away from the Truth?

Ghafir
40:40 "He that works evil will not be requited but by the like thereof: and he that works a righteous deed - whether man or woman - and is a Believer- such will enter the Garden (of Bliss): Therein will they have abundance without measure

Ash-Shura
42:19 Gracious is Allah to His servants: He gives Sustenance to whom He pleases: and He has power and can carry out His Will.

At-Talaq
65:3 And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine. And if any one puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is ((Allah)) for him. For Allah will surely accomplish his purpose: verily, for all things has Allah appointed a due proportion.


Al-Mulk
67:21 Or who is there that can provide you with Sustenance if He were to withhold His provision? Nay, they obstinately persist in insolent impiety and flight (from the Truth).


2:13 And when they are told, "Believe as other people believe," they answer, "Shall we believe as the weak-minded believe?" Oh, verily, it is they, they who are weak-minded -but they know it not!


An-Nisa
4:54 Do they, perchance, envy other people for what God has granted them out of His bounty? But then, We did grant revelation and wisdom unto the House of Abraham, and We did bestow on them a mighty dominion:

An-Nahl
16:90 BEHOLD, God enjoins justice, and the doing of good, and generosity towards [one's] fellow-men; and He forbids all that is shameful and all that runs counter to reason, as well as envy; [and] He exhorts you [repeatedly] so that you might bear [all this] in mind.

Re: # 54:
"flashing your 6th century Arabian garbage that is no longer applicable even in the place it started in. Only an idiot will compare place of women in Islam to that in Christianity and Judaism, why can’t it stand on it’s own merit? You know why? Because it has no legs to stand on"

May your own name (kulharee) fall on your obese minority heathen neck for uttering such non-sense!

Is it true that Christians, Hindu, Sikh,and Jews have stopped beating their wives?

In what way this article is religion specific? This is a common social issue as old as the human race itself. Aisha did a good job in showing the problem in Pakistani society but it does not mean that this problem exist only in Pakistan.