When a Knock at the Door is Not Enough

Re: # 80

I think my response to hurricane below is quite candid. Raising hand on women whether wife, or sister, or even of no relation is despicable and beneath the dignity of a man; there is no if, and or but, period.

However, we must be careful here. Such incidents happen in every society, every country; but only west rubs it into others face to ride their moral high horses. A country where according to their own statistics of FBI a woman is raped every 20 seconds, I think they should better put their own house in order first than point fingers at others.

Look at hindus - the femicide is an organized and institutionized practice in every family there; millions of helpless women are thus killed every year in their society and with what face they come here to give us lectures on wife beating. Doctors in many European and North American countries refuse hindu women to abort their fetuses as a governmental policy. The Hindu society today is living in in an era of 1500 years ago when men used to burry their infant daughters alive for fear of financial hardship and indignity. Our Holy Prophet (pbuh) came and emancipated those helpless souls from certain death. And these ignoramus langoors would not spare even him from their insults.

Re: # 79

Thanks for your prayer. May Allah return you with thosand times more.

Re: # 81

The following "Look at hindus - the femicide is an organized and institutionized practice in every family there; millions of helpless women are thus killed every year in their society and with what face they come here to give us lectures on wife beating."

should be read as "Look at hindus - the femicide is an organized and institutionized practice in every family there; millions of helpless women before even they are born" are thus killed every year in their society and with what face they come here to give us lectures on wife beating.

"Raising hand on women whether wife, or sister, or even of no relation is despicable and beneath the dignity of a man; there is no if, and or but, period"

There is no dirth of propaganda against muslims and islam, loads of people read these posts and will form an opinion of the world based on them.

I think we should not inadvertently give people the wrong impression of what we believe in because that certainly doesnt help our cause.

I am relieved to read your last post and learn what you actually believe. Your earlier posts were not reflective of what you actually think, at least in my opinion. Thanks for clarifying.

Re: # 84

Khaalajaan, I wonder why your [Thanks for clarifying.] in #84 reminds me of the part [I said, oh, and walked away.] from the piece.

The bottomline is the mullah will do his hee and haw, and his song/dance routine and the women will get beaten up and the rest of the "women" will go along with it as long as they satisfy themselves with the pretense of making a protest and perhaps even thank him while he keeps poisoning the minds of men and women and ...

And nothing will get done.

Nothing EVER gets done!

The "izzatdaar" position of the Islamic women that miaN truly so eloquently describes will stay unchallenged, perhaps forever.

Aisee izzat se to maut bhali!

Like the Big B sang - Arrey lalloo, ye jeena bhi koi jeena hai?!

#72 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2008 1:50:18 pm


the number of women in higher education is 75% vs. 25% men in Pakistan alone. This bursts your myth right there.


Setting aside the fact that the numbers you quote are straight from the famous paki thinktank PIROMPA - The Pulled It Right Outta My Paki Ass institute - would a comparison of percentages only be valid if the overall number was high enough?




As far as workforce participation is concerned one must ask at what cost. The woman in west has to abandon family, relationships and home to build a career.


yeah..let's not give the bitch a choice to participate in the workforce...she'll just open her mouth and drive everyone nuts anyway...


In America only now a woman is running for presidents' post and her being a woman is number one issue.


I believe the number one issue is the women in question being a female of the canine species with no ethics or morals whatsoever...but then you must be reading some other number...PIROMPA number perhaps?


I do not expect much from you since you are a hindu, who have no moral or societal code


That would be atheist with no moral or societal or ethical code..

look pal...as appealing as the thought of a beltway free of soccer moms sounds, you don't have a leg to stand on...

p.s. do pakis not grasp the concept of the internet and how easily fake numbers can be debunked?

#72 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2008 1:50:18 pm

A follow up...If participating in the workforce is such a soul sucking experience, why do muslim women living in the free west have a higher workforce participation number than the women living in the land of the free?

bj people respond to the context they see. Once someone has made it clear to me what they actually believe i believe them. I dont look at their past posts to find evidence of conspiracies or continue in my preconcieved biases.

You should try having an open mind one of these days, i swear it wont kill you. You think lynching someone is more important than having them confess to the truth, thats your outlook not mine. His strong last statement is the one that counts ab us ka peecha chor do.

I am perpectually going to be a criminal in your estimation no matter what i say and for what its worth let me tell you your praise is not what im out to get. Thanks for understanding.

Re: # 60

Hurricane sahib,

[Re:Kulharee, pakistan3,
izuber has said nothing offensive. You may think Islam is the root of all troubles, I think otherwise. It is a beautiful religion and I am hapy and proud to be a muslim.]

Hurricane sahib, where did I say anything against Islam? I am a practicing and passionate Muslim and resent being regarded otherwise.

I was talking in the context of some, taking it upon themselves to "evaluate" the Pakistani situation, social or otherwise, and dictate what Pakistan should or shouldn't look like when they chose not to live here themselves. As if we are part of some "experiment" for them.

By the same token, if where they live is SO bad and un Islamic, they are more than welcome to return to their motherland.

We can all share its fortunes and misfortunes, eat "aadhi roti" but with pride and make it work. No one should just assume the right to tel us what we should do when they don't actually live here!

Surely that is not a difficult point to understand?

I have to get going.

Allah nigehbaan

{"I read somewhere that the most scary thing about helping is being involved. I would like to think that I worked against my fear and got involved. The probability that a woman’s life is in danger are very high, and my simple knock on the door is not enough. One needs to break these walls and protect these brave women to be truly empowered by being mobile, and by gaining some mutually assured destruction for peace in the household."}

Aisha,
You have written a wonderfully bold and suspense-filled article about a tired old ridiculous and cowardly act that seems to be a residue of mankind's not so primate past.

I certainly hope that the brutal event did not end with your benign intervention in this man's pursuit of power. I hope you told this man about his diminishing manhood and I hope that you turned him over to the authorities, or at least shamed him in the eyes of all of his neighbors.

Re: # 86

so today you are an atheist? ok, so I will scratch off hindu and then catholic as claimed in past, from my little black book.

Anyway these are the statistics of higher education in pakistan, male vs. female - not that a hindi religious nut like yourself hasn't checked it already, but I'd like to rub it in your face anyway:

http://www.hec.gov.pk/QualityAssurance/statistics/Student%20Output.ht m

http://www.hec.gov.pk/QualityAssurance/statistics/Student%20Output.htm

Re: # 87

this goes against your origina;l thesis, now doesn't it?

#91 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2008 5:52:12 pm

here's what you said..


the number of women in higher education is 75% vs. 25% men in Pakistan alone.


Table 9: Number of Students Produced by Level of Degree during 2001-04.

Male:61799
Female: 56257

Are you numerically challenged? Does that looks like a 75%-25% split?

Lets take bachelor degrees

Male: 40350
Female:41714

Does that look like a 75%-25% split to you?


but I'd like to rub it in your face anyway


yeah pal..way to go..you really won that one..

p.s. I'm not even going to comment on the ridiculously low number of grads overall...

Re: # 81

"...A country where according to their own statistics of FBI a woman is raped every 20 seconds, I think they should better put their own house in order first than point fingers at others... "

The same can and should be said for us.

#93 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2008 5:56:51 pm

Umm...no..it only proves that muslim women, when given an opportunity, prefer to get their souls sucked out of their bodies by participating in the workforce at a higher number than back in their home countries...

so maybe some paki woman living in the west can tell us why they're such suckers for punishment...do paki women living in the west enjoy the soul sucking that comes from participating in the workforce..