Mohajirs Are People Too

Re: # 128

tahmed32

Many thanks for the comliments, but alas I cannot reciprocate your kind and generous words for obvious reasons. Do enjoy your fantasy gala for all shows must come to an end.

What is bothersome is that this CJ-Mush-AZ&Nawaz issue is

becoming ethnically colored. The so called Mohajir community

is not united on Musharraf either so don't push them.

What is a "Mohajir" anymore? A small percentage of the

people that actually migrated from India themselves is

alive today. Many of their children are married to Punjabis

and some to Pathans. Sindhi-Mohajir marriages are also

increasing as are Sindhi-Punjabi, Pathan-Punjabi, Baluch-

Pathan etc etc...

If I am not mistaken, the largest Pathan city in the world

is Karachi. The world's largest Baluch city is also Karachi.


Musharraf may have outlived his welcome (Pakistanis get

restive after 7 years and have the maximum patience for

10 years of any leader). His time is almost up.

Indeed Mohajirs are people -- but people like trees have roots -- even though people move from one place to another -- but where they stay for 60 years they like trees
do develop roots -- or should develop roots.

Now may I ask the "albelay" 'Mohajirs' -- where are their roots -- in a country called India? -- or in a kountry kalled Karachi? -- or in a province called Sindh that doesn't own Karachi? -- or a country called Pakistan that doesn't own Sindh?

How long the 'Mohajirs' will sing their out of tune song -- ruhta hooN Sindh meiN mugger Sindhi naheeN hooN maiN?

#121 rf: you are really clever for someone who is incapable of writing a post without adding personal insults - just saying that "they are all the same" does not change the facts. So, dont try to be cleverer than you are.

Re: # 126
HP sahib, First of all I would like to thank you for your eloquent comments since you maintain a yourself in a manner that even if someone differs from your opinion he/she does not feel bad, I wish we can have a larger number of such people around who can discuss issues and matters without resorting to the lingual deficiencies often noticed here.

“Assuming Musharraf goes, then what next? Will NS and others continue to uphold the law?�

Nothing is guaranteed. In politics when you have stronger institutions, chances of leaders breaking laws are tremendously reduced. A strong Court system, active lawyers, and energized political workers can keep any wayward politician straight and in check.

A strong system and further progress of a disciplined society who isn't always looking for "chacha" "mama" or use of other methods prevailing conventionally shall lead to lead very much needed to a strong future for Pakistan.

Unless we the Pakistani people give up the, might is right practices and learn to discuss with each other with due regard even if there is a difference of opinion with each other, as long as we cannot convey ourselves with regard and fail to follow a system (once it is there) no matter what Pakistan will not gain it's right place.

With regards to the Executive, Judiciary and Legislature we all know how sincere and loyal most of them have been in carrying out their responsibilities thus far, at this point there are several who appear to be working hard to put it all together once again and lets see if the hard work of those performing with sincerity and loyalty pays off, or we as a nation are going to prove to be our biggest enemy once again.
Wasalam
Best regards.

#124 Posted by rf786
“this can be corroborated by his appeal in Punjab and so lack of in other provinces.�

Not entirely true or accurate. This issue has broad based support. Akhtar Mangal also publically supported the restoration of judges. We already know the support in NWFP.

In the interior of Sindh, the PPP workers and the leaders support the demand. No one in Sindh said anything against Nawaz when he pulled out of the Federal Cabinet. Sindhi papers are also supporting the restoration. That’s why the PPP is under pressure to stay with the demand. The non MQM Urdu speaking supports the issue. You can see that from the lawyers’ actions in Karachi.

You see every political worker in the country understands the significance of this matter. Political workers get the idea behind the restoration that the army must be shown. When you have parboiled food you cook it and not leave that sitting out there to be thrown out a day later.

This issue needs to be looked outside the personal behavior of Judges or one particular Chief Justice. He has provided an opportunity for the politicians and perhaps his role ended after that. But he needs to be brought back if nothing else, for a day to provide the victory to the political workers in the country. The intensification of the lawyers’ movement would help the future democratic course in the country.

“does anybody even remember that it was Benazir Bhutto ultimate sacrifice that led to a free and fair election? Why has the PPP command gone quite on this issue?�

When she was murdered, the elections were already announced and she was campaigning in Pindi. The free and fair is really a matter of perception. . She was talking with the Generals for two years before March 2007 and was not going anywhere with the negotiations until the CJ issue heated up. Boosted by the CJ restoration in July, her deal was finally sealed with the army or Gen. Musharaf. She did not bring the people out on the streets, the Lawyers did that.

Her deal helped with taking off his wardi but for that he was under pressure from the US already. Now Zardari is trying to complete her end of the deal which was probably to protect the army and leave Musharaf in place for as long as politically possible.

“Assuming Musharraf goes, then what next? Will NS and others continue to uphold the law?�

Nothing is guaranteed. In politics when you have stronger institutions, chances of leaders breaking laws are tremendously reduced. A strong Court system, active lawyers, and energized political workers can keep any wayward politician straight and in check.

#124 Posted by rf786,

even though they have done very little in practical terms to support the lawyers movement led by a PPP Jiyala ...?

Resigning from Federal power and 15 Federal Ministries is not in practical terms?

Re: # 122

HP,

Ethnic loyalties are playing a major role driving support for the EX-CJ=IC, this can be corroborated by his appeal in Punjab and so lack of in other provinces. But, I agree with your assertion that the judiciary needs to be restored and the illegal acts reversed.

Assuming Musharraf goes, then what next? Will NS and others continue to uphold the law? I doubt that very much, we saw early signs of their irritation with the lawyers movement immediately after the elections, in all probability they will try to monopolize power through whatever means.

I agree with PPP policy of bringing these issues to the parlimant rather than using strong arm tactics as promoted by that idiot NS.

Finally, does anybody even remember that it was Benazir Bhutto ultimate sacrifice that led to a free and fair election? Why has the PPP command gone quite on this issue? In a way, PML-N has dominated the war of words and established their political superiority by supporting the judiciary even though they have done very little in practical terms to support the lawyers movement led by a PPP Jiyala. What gives Saeen?

#116 Posted by izuber,

... supporting a character who himself resorted to unlawful means ...

This is oft-repeated BS. What unlawful means? I thought Sajjad Ali Shah was removed by a full bench of SC (except one judge) meeting at Quetta.

Can you state what unlawful means were used?

Now I'm sure you're going to say Saeduzzaman Siddiqui and other judges were given briefcases of money by Rafiq Tarar. Right? That's what they said in the newspapers and you folks believe that nonsense. How was it then that the same Saeeduzzaman Siddiqui refused PCO oath under Musharraf if he was corrupt?

Now please answer the question in the second para. Thanks ...

#121 Posted by rf786

I don’t think the Judges issue has anything to do with ethnic loyalties or even the judiciary politicized by the CJ. All Supreme Courts were politicized. It was true when the SCs were writing judgment favoring the army or they were ordering Bhutto’s death or upholding the doctrine of necessity. Those were all political decisions.

In this CJ’s case the army twice tried to remove him. First thru the legal means and when that failed by declaring emergency. That was a blatant violation of the constitution by the army and there is no reason whatsoever to live with that decision. That decision has to be reversed and that is important for the health of the nation. This is not a personal issue and the CJ’s person has no importance. We are dealing with a violation of the constitution and that should be punished.

The pak army has violated the constitution many times but every time they got out of the jail without paying any price for that because the public’s political consciousness was not high enough to challenge the army actions then. Things have clearly changed and now the political parties, the lawyers and the other groups want to fight the army action and reverse it to show to the army that the country has moved beyond the dictatorial days or the days when army broke all laws and the constitution and people had to swallow that.

Pakistan cannot move forward without reversing Nov 3 emergency decision.
I personally don’t think that both parties had the right approach in dealing with the issue. I would say let the PPP bring the changes to the parliament and let the country discuss the issue. The lawyers should also continue with their protest until this issue is resolved or the country enters another phase of difficult struggle. The army and the PPP are playing to bury this issue and that should never be allowed to happen.

The May 12th and April 9 must also be investigated. Let the people see whose hands are clean. Those who oppose the investigations are actually saying that they are the responsible party.

While this is taking place the state should also work on the Baluchistan and the FATA issues.

Re: # 107

Dearest tahmed32

There are no angels in this cesspool of Pakistan that includes your stupid meglomaniacal EX-CJ=IC. Of all the people who should be retired from Pakistan it is EX-CJ=IC who has politicized the judiciary while at the same time pandered to the military junta when it suited his ambitions. So, please spare us with this morality bull shit, aapko zeb naheen detha.

As for the clean politicians such as Asfandyar, well my dear simpleton there is so much that you need to learn. Ask any Pathan from |Sarhad and he will tell you of their corruption. There again, please spare us with your simplistic bs.

Finally, on NS supporting EX-CJ=IC, seems you suffer from amnesia or maybe its selective amnesia. This dugga can storm the supreme court and issue orders to bribe other judges what makes you think he has/she has changed? Then again, ethnic loyalties are not monopolies, so please spare us with your self-righteous hollow sermons.

..and let me add to #119: there is no shortage of individuals like you who for one reason or another think it is good to side with those seeking to keep Pakistanis enslaved in one way or another (ethnic loylaties, military connections, and so forth).

You can rest assured that you will get nothing by the suppression of the rule of law and basic rights in Pakistan.

And in supporting those forces arrayed against the Chief Justice and other brave Pakistanis fighting for the supremacy of the constitution (which includes protection of basic rights), you are merely giving your children a lawless country in which might is right.

mabdullah #114 "in our hatred of mush or mqm, zardari or asfandyar, mohajirs or qadianis, or whatever and whoever we hate, for whatever reason, we must not lose basic decency."

that is indeed very clever - lump blatant law-breakers (mush), outright murderers of peaceful demonstrators (mqm) with law-abiding politicians (asfandary) and entire communities of people (mohajirs, qadianis). (

You talk about decency?? Where was your "decency" when you were busy writing the above obscenity of hiding criminals behind ordinary politicians?? Do you think you are being very clever by protecting scoundrels of mqm and musharraf? You have to be stupid to side with criminals just because they happen to be of your ethnicity.

"Mumlikat-e-Khudadad-e-Pakistan"???

LOL!!

No wonder this country is yet to find its "..-e-.. " in the world!!

I agree with the post # 6 (and similar ones and do not buy to all the white washing done to prop the writer). Not only the article is outright insulting to other ethnicities, it is written in a bad taste, to say the least. Such racialism does not help Pakistan in anyway. It flares the already simmering discords. Those who have tolerated its racialist and offensive overtones saying that it was meant only for humour are condoning such writings which do not help but harm the coherence of a society that is longing for harmony and concord. Humour is no license to insulting. Even street ‘bhands’ of Karachi (and Lahore and Quetta and Peshawar for that matter) KNOW THAT MUCH and show more sensibility in their jokes despite their education than this first class condescending air traveler airing its bigotry only for self gratification.
A concerned Pakistani....

Re: # 115
Toppling of Judiciary by the Executive branch is exemplary, it was then and it is now.
It was by Executive's choice then and that does not make them any more credible regardless of the reason.
To hate a legislation on the books does not permit one to topple the judiciary under any circumstances, or does it?
Zeemax this is where the ignorance prevails where the entire nation is falling victim to ignorance by supporting a character who himself resorted to unlawful means implying that he/she could take it upon themselves to remove a sitting judge.
Two wrongs dont make a right and when the nation recognizes a "wrong doer" they need to be sent to the corner.
The choice of ignorant individuals to lead a nation to ignorance. Now its upto those who make such choices of leadership which camp they place themselves under.