Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State

I admit I did not read the single word so I am not commenting based on any content rather it is a question based on its title:
Can someone explain to me WHY?

The Western media writes like this:

Muslims fight Russians in Chechnia
Muslims fight Hindu majority rule in Kashmir
Muslims guerilla fight the Phillipenes Government
Muslims fight Thailand in South.

Whereas all these above fights are for national recognization.

Then the same media says
Hamas fights Israel whereas it is between mainly Muslims and Jewish state
Hizbullah fights Israel whereas it is between mainly Muslims and Jewish state

Taliban fight Nato whereas it is Muslims against foreign occupier mainly crusaders
Shia fight Allies in Iraq whereas it is Muslims against foreign occupier mainly crusaders
And the list goes on…..

And our intellectuals have NO brain to analyze and figure out how the psychological war is being played. Al jazeera, Jang and all Muslim countries media just say the same way… Why?

I admit I did not read the single word so I am not commenting based on any content rather it is a question based on its title:
Can someone explain to me WHY?

The Western media writes like this:

Muslims fight Russians in Chechnia
Muslims fight Hindu majority rule in Kashmir
Muslims guerilla fight the Phillipenes Government
Muslims fight Thailand in South.

Whereas all these above fights are for national recognization.

Then the same media says
Hamas fights Israel whereas it is between mainly Muslims and Jewish state
Hizbullah fights Israel whereas it is between mainly Muslims and Jewish state

Taliban fight Nato whereas it is Muslims against foreign occupier mainly crusaders
Shia fight Allies in Iraq whereas it is Muslims against foreign occupier mainly crusaders
And the list goes on…..

And our intellectuals have NO brain to analyze and figure out how the psychological war is being played. Al jazeera, Jang and all Muslim countries media just say the same way… Why?

HP #81 ..and then in school there used to be that other..er..variation..to Iqbal's "Khudi ko kar baland itna.." :-)

Actually, it is reassuring that the a large section of the Pakistani population does not take any individual (Iqbal, or anyone else) as the average moron..i mean ideologue..does.

And it is this irreverant attitude that gives the average Pakistani the ability to apply his common sense to issues, rather than parrot some ideological line or the other. And that is why, whenever give the chance to vote in free and fair elections, Pakistanis have given the boot to religious ideologues and lotas. As they did this time. This is why Pakistan is destined to be a great nation - once the forces that empower people rather than some rogue general, ghoonda politician or gun-toting mullah are in place.

HP,

First you have to get the sheyr right, I suppose.

Okay I am going to be honest here. I have not read Allah mian Iqbal in details and my knowledge abt his poetry is restricted to a few shairs that I read in some obscure books.

"Dasht to dasht hain darya bhi na chorey hamnay
Bahr-i zulmaat men daura diy-e ghorey hamnay"

This shair really can be turned in to a really vulgar shair. One Urdu speaking guy once gave me the whole rigmarole on this and I have forgotten that already. I do remember that he replaced GH in Ghoray to an 'L' and in the first part he changed Dasht to something...May be someone here can help to find that word. Hint: that word is really popular on UP nowadays and relates to a human body part.
Once you find that word please also find a replacement for Darya and you have an all new shair for some entertainment.

#78 Posted by masadi,

Thanks. This is why I said to akcheema if he thinks it is unexplained, it was meant to be.

Al-Nour (The Light)

24:40 Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!

g'night

Echo writes "The behr-i-Zulmaat or the Ocean of Darkness, referred to in that couplet by Allama Iqbal, is what is known to mariners as the Doldrums."

Read Quran 24:40 regarding what you refer to

The author writes "Fatah reminds us history that Muslims failed for centuries in creating sustainable secular institutions. Secular state is duty bound to guard against religious law taking over society in the guise of reasonable accommodation"

The author is a fool, a new breed of retards that have erupted post 9/11 with Muslim names in order to legitimize to the dimwitted morons in the West that what their governments are doing is based on fact and is for their benefit. Let us ask him what the level of "secularism" was in the West "over the centuries" and he'll discover that until quite recently secualarism as a slogan and legitimizer of the "devil's religion" was non-existent. Further pluralization leads to secularization and Muslim societies of old had greater secularization tendencies because of greater pluralization and autonomy granted to indiginious people who either retained their previous identity or blended over a couple of centuries into becomming Muslim, unlike the European settlers who wiped out the indigeneous populations when they decided to move in large numbers into an area. Finally compared to bureaucratized social systems that parade as "secular systems" but are rule rigged, the handful of rules, within a sea of freedom offered by Islam for every believer as well as non believer makes it much more "secular" compared to the devil's system of worshipping the elite under the guise of freedom... Regarding the so-called Islamic state, these are utopian dreams of fringe groups whose theology has little to do with Islam but which is mainstreamed by the West (whose caricature of Islam, brought to life as self-fulfilling prophecy, they are) for the purpose of making aspects of it a reality to fulfill their perversions on a much larger scale around the globe. Islam's fight is about justice and truth regardless of religious label, it is not about narrow theological formulae or conversions "Christian missionary" style, there is a difference between the private and the public aspect of Islam confusing one for the other "Taliban style" and losing track of the public aspect of it, pushing the distorted private aspect as if it were the public one is the devil's foreplay as he makes his plans to f'ck the Muslims....

hamidm #70 i can see hindu propaganda is working on you. now i hope you are suitably ashamed of yourself, you descendant of a low-caste hindu convert!! your ancestor was a traitor to the natural order of things by trying to escape the caste system!! Did he not realize that he was made a low caste hindu for a reason - namely, because he had done really bad things in his previous incarnation. I bet if you had been in india you would have been secretly applauding the Pakistani cricket team, given this treacherous tendancy you inherited from your treacherous low-caste hindu ancestor!!

Now look at master jay thakeray - a proud high caste hindu who not only was loyal to the natural order of things. His piety in his previous life has been rewarded with his high caste status!!

PS: Just kidding. :-) but you see my point, i hope.

And on your way, do stop and ponder over how things HAVE changed at CHOWK a bit!

Can we return to discussing #17 (and my other posts) and why the writer of this piece is so interested in this Canada-settled Tarek Fatah?

echoboom: just calling me a "kutta" and writing some irrelevant gibberish pulled off the internet doesnt change the logic of what i wrote.

#42 Hamidm2 miaN

[...... most pathans are not homosexuals, but they see nothing wrong with homosexuality and are simply bisexaul - it is part of their islam ..... i am sure that you know that babur, inspite of all the women he had, loved only baburi - a boy ........ i have also heard that homsexuality is rampant in al-lah's kingdom of saudi arabia, not because the men are homosexuals, but simply because they don't have any access to women ..... and over time this behavior becomes acceptable without people fessing up to it ........ the most virulent opponents of homosexuality are closet homos like the catholic priests, evangelical ministers, edgar j hoover, prophets and our own mullahs .......]

LOL!

Hamidm2 sahib, you got a point there, especially regarding the NWFP. I quote the following from Lawrence James’ book on British Raj. (The reference to Forster is to E. M. Forster, who wrote A Passage to India (1924).)

“Contemporary law banned any explicit references in fiction to sexual contacts between British and Indians. Forster knew about them, probably in some detail, through his shipboard meeting in 1912 with Lieutenant Kenneth Seabright of the Queen’s Own (Royal West Kent Regiment), with whom he later stayed at Peshawar. Seabright was a homosexual with an enthusiastic and insatiable appetite for teenage boys, and he seems intuitively to have recognized Forster’s latent homosexuality, as did some young Indians. The young subaltern, who struck Forster as a Byronic figure, was already at work on an epic poem which recorded in lubricious detail his encounters with various Indian partners, whose colour excited him. Paradise for Seabright was the North-west Frontier, where his tastes were abundantly cared for:

And now the scene shifted and I passed
From sensuous Bengal to fierce Peshawar
An Asiatic stronghold where each flower
Of boyhood planted in its restless soil
Is – ipso facto – ready to despoil
(Or be despoiled by) someone else; they yarn
Indeed so has it that the young Pathan
Thinks it peculiar if you would pass
Him by without some reference to his arse.”

hamidm2,

That's no argument. The Chechens and the Uzbeks are no Arabs either, nor the Persians.

Re: # 69

zeemax,

.... i could give you another explanation of this famous iqbal couplet, but i won't because you seem to worship this man and i don't want to offend you .....

... in any case, we moslems need to stop pining for the good old days and get on the business of living today and preparing for tomorrow ..... besides, let's not forget that most of us on this forum are low caste hindoo converts who had nothing to do with the arab, turkic and persian conquests ..... we converted either to curry favor with the invaders or because we were simply tired of being kicked around by upper class hindoos ....... thank god that we are not arabs ...