Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice

Granted the family she comes from falls under a massive legacy and theres hardly any escaping it, but I really dont think she is worth all the hype.

Whatever I've read read of hers or any telly interviews just seem fruitless attempts and go round in circles and dont quite 'get nowhere'. Maybe its because she's young and has far to go? But 19 yr old Bilawal has proved more articulate and fiesty than her.

Mr Dalrymple (Bill I suppose):

Thanks for another excellent article on Pakistan. As for Fatima it is sad that see has seen so much turmoil in her country and her family. I hope she breaks the Bhutto mold by learning the value of humility.

Ejaz

Re: # 356
Cheema sahib your assertion about falsified claims is quite true there was a lot of wheeling and dealing that took place.

On UP, Sadna quotes Rafiq Zakaria who spoke to A.V.Alexander, one of the members of the Cabinet Mission

[Jinnah stood his ground and asserted : 'Fear is the most potent weapon; I am sure the rulers in either state will be wise enough to conduct themselves properly. They will be afraid of retaliation against their co-religionists.']

The telling confession of the subcontinent’s first Islamic terrorist – and his worship of fear as a weapon!

Re: # 354; by zeemax
"I don't think that is true in case of Pakistan. All claims were thoroughly verified before formal transfers."

As I have said before, a big chunk of my family never made it across the border. However, that didn't stop a maternal grand-uncle to put in claims etc...he was already on the 'right' side of the border and well established as a businessman.....looked down upon for a short while but then all was normal....his kids inherited a fortune when he died and it wasn't all due to 'hard work'....I can quote several other examples from within and outside the family

zee:

How could they be verified without a joint indo-pak mechanism to do so? As far as I am aware, no such mechanism was operationalised. But if there was such a mechanism and it worked, then I take back what I said.

#353 Posted by dost_mittar,

I don't think that is true in case of Pakistan. All claims were thoroughly verified before formal transfers.

zeemax#352:

"I have close family friends from Lucknow, who could only get their claim in Mianwali, though a substantial one, where no one speaks Urdu ... let alone the Lucknavi variety."

I dont know about the particular family but some of these families made bogus claims, as their properties in India were in the hands of their brothers left behind in India and were not evaquee properties. Since there was no mechanism for verifying claims, all claims were accepted as submitted. The same happened in India where some people submitted exaggerated claims and others did not.

#332 Posted by dost_mittar,

It was a huge mess, but as per you say the Muslim immigrants got a better deal, though there were huge cultural shocks. I have close family friends from Lucknow, who could only get their claim in Mianwali, though a substantial one, where no one speaks Urdu ... let alone the Lucknavi variety.

They are still there though, They came to love Mianwali!

Re: # 334

Madan Lal Pahwa to self,

Vikhane chande si Hindu Smaj marya hanin.

Wanted to show Hindu Samaj is not dead

Re: # 322 "This will never happen. There has never been one person in the history who changed the face of a country. That happens with a process and support from many others. If thats what you are waiting for, maybe you wanna Google 'Waiting for Godot'."

HP I think that could be a pathetic excuse for all the charlatans from the who's who of our rogues gallery that have ruled us so far...the least any great leader could do is to put his people on the right path, instead of devoting all his time and energy to loot, plunder and personal aggrandizement as one after the other all of our chosen and unchosen leaders have been doing so far. After they all get booted out one way or another, then they come out with the sort of lame excuses like "process" and "support" that you have put forth. After all who puts the processes into motion? And how much more support do they really need?

Or can it be rephrased as something like this. Reservation policy has managed to successfully obliterate the pride associated with calling oneself an upper caste Hindu...

Sita Ram Goel famous author please see Voice of Dharma www.bharatvani.org

Ahutosh Lahiri was the head of the Delhi unit of the Hindu Mahasabha the only leader who defied Gandhi's call for peace when he fasted to death to save Muslimsin Delhi was amongst those nearly killed in the post gandhi riots organised by the congress

Dr Moonje was the Maharashtra head of the HM

Raja Narendra Nath (Bhaiji) was the Punjab head of the HM

Sanatani

Sanatani,

You should be happy right...the UCs of TN have managed to masquerade as OBCs and still maintain the status quo.

Sanatani,

Who is SitaRamji?

Regards

Re: # 324

Well Masan bhai,

in that case I apologise.

But if not you then it is lot of people other than you.

Upper Caste: Bhen Maa Beti in salon ko reservation choorhe chamar bhangi

SC: Bhen Maa Beti in salon ne oppresiion ki yeh hai asli choorhe chamar bhangi

OBC: Actually we have been unfairly oppressed by UC's unki Bhen Maa Beti and we rightly oppress SC's choorhe chamar bhangi

Actually OBC's are best

as in Backward Rajput, Backward Baniya, Backward Maratha, Backward Sindhi (only found in Sindh if the Sindhi Muslims were told Amils and Bhaibands are backward in Tamil Nadu they would all collectively die of shock or lose their mental balance AND thus achieve Jinnahpur) e.g. Rakesh Hinduja becomes Asst Jail warden under OBC quota or Raheja or Hiranandani.

That was the very good thing about the RSS where all Hindus were equal where mutual respect for each other was taught to all castes.

But somehow their anti intellectualism or what SitaRam ji used to term as the opposite of Baudhik Kshatriyata.

I think Sun Tzu and Arthshastra should be serious reading for them.

Sanatani