Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice

BTW... here is deal. You stop lying about Jinnah. I'll stop telling the truth about Gandhi.

Its the best deal I can offer you. Take it or leave it.

Re: # 234

Correction. I produce the work of the greatest racist Gandhi himself to prove my point. All of what I have quoted is from Gandhi himself and you know it.

I know you've quoted some nonsensical patronizing statements from later in his life, but not one admission from Gandhi about his regret for views he expressed in South Africa.

You can go on lying. And you can go on abusing me but if you were an honest man you would just admit that you are a horrible liar.

Manto miaN,

On this web-site, I have produced MANY excerpts from Gandhiji's writing on Satyagraha where he has expressed admiration for Africans and including of their ability to overcome racial prejudice.

You choose to ignore all that evidence and like a parrot keep repeating the same old accusations. In the past, you have quoted such racists as Arthur Kemp and such Khalistanis as...(I forgot his name) you know who I am talking about. Deny those two facts if you can! You can not! Because of that all your evidence is tainted evidence.

And as a lawyer, you know what tainted evidence does to one's "case"!

PS: And if Gandhi caught Malaria whilst at Aga Khan's palace it just proves he was going around on evening walks in the lush green lawns of the palace (which is actually something that is well known). Margaret Bourkwhite even photographed him there and had tea with him.

To call the Aga Khan palace dark and dreary... is BJKumar's dishonesty on display.

Re: # 228

First of all Kasturba did not die of mosquito bites nor did Gandhi. Kasturba died because Gandhi would not allow the medicine which he allowed on himself later.

I have never heard of this... but Mosquitos are rampant in open areas in the subcontinent even today. Aga Khan's Palace was a luxury palace with acres of land around it. And Gandhi perhaps did have a desi remedy of mosquitos which did not work.

So it must have been a British conspiracy to put Gandhi in the Aga Khan's palace so that he could contract Malaria.

#224 Posted by MantoLives on May 23, 2008 6:21:01 am

so how's the movement to change his name from the frontier gandhi to the frontier jinnah going?

MiaN Urstruly has seen the wisdom of quitting before somebody humiliates him because of his indefensible position of disadvantage!

I think he is one step ahead of Mantolives.

Also to date neither BJkumar nor other Gandhi champoos have produced a single "I am sorry I was wrong about Black people" quote from Gandhi the racist bigot.

They have produced patronizing nonsense but not even a single apology or admission of guilt.

Seems like racism stuck with Gandhi till late in his life.

Manto and others are making much of the fact that Kasturba did not die from malaria while ignoring the simple fact that the place called Aga Khan "Palace" was a breeding-ground for malaria which many contracted, including Gandhiji.

The bottomline is - you can not call such a place a "luxury" place to live.

Except when you wish to be dishonest!

BTW... I was not aware that 1908 (Gandhi age 39), 1911 (Gandhi age 42), 1927 (Gandhi age 58) and 1922 (Gandhi age 53) are all pre-1906 era... In 1906 Gandhi was 37 mind you.

Re: # 225

Yawn.

I am not even going to compare someone as disgusting as Gandhi with Jinnah (who to date is the only politician in South Asia to be called the best ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity- whether you like it or not).

And Gandhi was an exclusivist racist bigot.

Manto mian,

Yaaaawnnn...

You are back to your old cut-n-paste routine from 1906 and prior times. This has been covered countless times on this site.

Gandhiji was an evolving personality. Unlike Jinnah, he had an open mind which kept learning and growing over time. The Gandhiji of the 1920's was not the Gandhiji of 1905 in South Africa, nor the Gandhiji of the 1930's and later.

Jinnah was a shallow individual who was incapable of freeing his mindset outside of the shikanz of "Mussalmans are exclusive and 'better' than Hindus" mindset - like many Pakistani chowkies still do right here!

In defence of Jinnah, all one can say was that he was a product of a time when every country accepted racism as the norm. The Britishers were no exceptions, the Amrikkans were no exception, the Germans were no exception. Gandhiji was simply ahead of the times in some of these ideas.

Jinnah was perhaps a good lawyer but he was certainly no visionary! Unfortunately, for that very simple deficiency, too many Pakistanis have paid a very heavy price!

Re: # 223

No. Bacha Khan was a genuine guy who was deceived by Gandhi ... whatever our disagreements with him, he has his place in the hearts of Pathans and even Pakistanis.

#219 Posted by MantoLives on May 23, 2008 6:11:00 am

If gandhi was a racist casteist fascist bigot, does this mean the frontier gandhi was the racist fascist casteist bigot on the frontier?

Re: # 217

I am acting on my own advice to Mantolive. May Gandhi and QA both rest in peace.

BTW... any comments about your lie that mosquitos killed Kasturba and not Gandhi's insistence against penicilin.

(Ironically Gandhi allowed the administration of modern medicine on himself- what a piece of work).