Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice

Re: # 298

[After my interactions here on Chowk, one thing I have learned about Pakistan is that it is no less pluralist and no less democractic than any other country]

...and then you woke up, of course!

#298 Posted by anil,

Anil Saheb, anyone who calls Pakistanis unwashed masses, is certainly not pro-Pakistan. Re ana, she is a pure Pakistani. She would never insult Pakistan or Pakistanis.

Re democratic/pluralist etc, these are just semantics. These are often used by Pakistanis such as hamidm2, tahmed and many others in pretense for pandering to anti-Pakistan sentiments. If these people were in the least pluralistic or democratic, they would not condemn a very large segment of the population which had to resort to guns and bombs to have their point of view known. There was no other way. And they won at great cost to themselves and to everyone else.

These people are libero-fascists, not democratic. I am perhaps the only democratic Pakistani on Chowk.

Re: # 297

Zeemax Sahib:

From my room with a view on Chowk, I find Pakistanis here at Chowk to be just as pluralist as people from anywhere else. The opinions vastly differ from Hamidm Sahib to yourself, but calling for example Hamidm sahib, Ana and others "not" pro-Pakistani does not do justice to Pakistan. After my interactions here on Chowk, one thing I have learned about Pakistan is that it is no less pluralist and no less democractic than any other country, including one on the East side of its border.

#294 Posted by anil,

Let me ask you a question. How many locally located Pakistanis have you seen supporting Pro-Pakistan views as some (few) overseas Pakistanis? As it is, there are very few locally located Pakistanis on the FP forum. I would say the Pro-Pakistan Pakistanis local or overseas are vastly outnumbered here. There are more Pakistanis on Unplugged and ALL of them are anti-Pakistan or look down upon it.

These local Pakistanis are plate pissers. They eat off Pakistan's plate after either having failed to move or failed everywhere else in trying to make a decent living, and then piss on Pakistan at the same time.

The harsh responses are an outcome of that.

pakistan3,

I am sympathetic to your views about Overseas Pakistanis. Most of them become pineapples (brown outside-white inside). I share your general opinion. There are dozens of them here. Zeena is NOT one of those. There are a few others as well like Urstruly. Then there are some who actually moved back and are as committed as you such as masadi and bulleya. Some retaliate, some don't. I myself was an Overseas Pakistani but moved back because there's nothing like your own country, and one must never knock their own country. Not many people are in a position or circumstances are able to do that even if they wanted to.

My friend, Zeena is no one to be steamrolled. She gives back equally or more as given. That doesn't detract anything from her working in Pakistan's interests in ALL areas where she can, wherever she may be.

Re: # 293

to add to that, we need realistic people to help us build this country and not those "overseas Pakistanis" that see the fantasy that is Pakistan for them (because of some guilt complex they harbor) and not Pakistan the Reality.

Allah Nigehban

Zeena:

Your actions have spoken many times louder. Is it necessary to use harsher words with others?

Re: # 290

Zeemax,

I have read this woman's rants before. Totally uncalled for if I am allowed to say this.

Accusing average Pakistanis for "not working hard enough" is proposterous. And before you tell me about her burns hospital or any other achievements, good as they may be, donot justify her attitude.

We in Pakistan, presumably that includes you too, have gone through difficult times and still are, but we stuck around. I am sure if Zeena decides to return, Pakistan will welcome her with open arms. Until such time, she should keep her self righteous opinions to herself.

As for the language used by this woman against many before, believe you me I am capable of matching her with no issues whatsoever if that is what she chooses.

I am sure we'll talk again on the subject.

Until then, Allah Nigehban.

#283 zeemax
Thanks for your correct statement.

#282 Re:pakistan3
Yes,I do support Hillary Clinton and that's my perorgative to strongly support whomever I feel better for all of us.

And where ever I live , just remember one thing...I am all for my country,Pakistan.

#283 zeemax
Thanks for your correct statement.

#282 Re:pakistan3
Yes,I do support Hillary Clinton and that's my perorgative to strongly support whomever I feel better for all of us.

And where ever I live , just remember one thing...I am all for my country,Pakistan.

#284 Posted by pakistan3,

This business makes me angry when people living overseas try to dictate what I should or shouldn't do in my own country.

Zeena feels more strongly about Pakistan than MANY Pakistanis living in Pakistan itself. Stick around and you will know the character of most Pakistanis on this forum.

#279 Posted by Goldfinger

While I agree with you that obsession with politicians is unhealthy, I also believe that no matter what their shortcomings, they are invariably better than the non political characters that descend on the throne brandishing their bright shining scimitars, wearing colorful stripes on the chests, and are only answerable to a bunch of others like them, but just a notch below in rank.

When you climb down from Empyrean to empirical, you will notice that the last messiah or one person that presumably tried to change the world passed away eons ago. Since then humanity has to deal with the mere mortals and as we know they are not perfect. The politicians collect all the scars, scotches, good looks, and quality suits on their way to the stardom.

While Bhutto had many problems, like the rest of the politicians the world over, he was a wee bit better in at least one regard. There was some one who could have taken him down and he did. But when the god’s gift to the citizenry took over, the people did not even have anyone but God left to take him down.

In Pakistan, we like to believe that when a civilian becomes the PM, the era of democracy ushers in and all of a sudden, we want that PM to sell his properties, his suits, stay away from drinking and if you are of a particular bent, offer prayers five times a day.

Pakistan, its politicians, Judges, lawyers, and the wardiposh still have to learn a lot about democracy. But as they say, you can’t learn a new trade without making a few mistakes on the way. Consider the Bhuttos both the father and the daughter, the Son in Law, the Sundance kid and Butch Cassidy of our country as our mistakes that would eventually get us to a point when we would believe that we have learned from the mistakes and we have a democratic country. Even at that point, we still would not have the perfect one that you so feverishly desire, to lead us.

Sorry for this rambling post but the crux of the matter is that there is no point in abusing civilian politicians when your only other choice is some scimitar wielding, god's gift who is a master blaster of every language and every diction due to his degreed education at kakul.

I hope you post often.

Re: # 223 Rr. Arjun hope you behave yourself so will not be banned again shortly.
Yes as you said S & P ratiing down grading was not bad but Moody down grading hurt market and circuit breakers were in action. There one problem in rating as it is very biased ( full of indians in both organization), Hope you will agree to that.

Re: # 223 Rr. Arjun hope you behave yourself so will not be banned again shortly.
Yes as you said S & P ratiing down grading was not bad but Moody down grading hurt market and circuit breakers were in action. There one problem in rating as it is very biased ( full of indians in both organization), Hope you will agree to that.

Re: # 223 Rr. Arjun hope you behave yourself so will not be banned again shortly.
Yes as you said S & P ratiing down grading was not bad but Moody down grading hurt market and circuit breakers were in action. There one problem in rating as it is very biased ( full of indians in both organization), Hope you will agree to that.

Re: # 223 Rr. Arjun hope you behave yourself so will not be banned again shortly.
Yes as you said S & P ratiing down grading was not bad but Moody down grading hurt market and circuit breakers were in action. There one problem in rating as it is very biased ( full of indians in both organization), Hope you will agree to that.