Murad A Baig May 26, 2008
#287 Posted by muradbaig on June 1, 2008 9:03:44 pm
Re: # 261
Do I have to show you my MA degree in history?
But you are right about India unvarnished that Chowk put up in 1999. It was then a partly researched set of questions about history and religion. Im very grateful to you and many others in Chowk for challenging many half formed ideas. It is now published as a book called `Reflections in a Sacred Pond'... an inquiry into India's history, mythology and religion through 80 questions. It is published by India Research Press and is now going into a third edition.
Do I have to show you my MA degree in history?
But you are right about India unvarnished that Chowk put up in 1999. It was then a partly researched set of questions about history and religion. Im very grateful to you and many others in Chowk for challenging many half formed ideas. It is now published as a book called `Reflections in a Sacred Pond'... an inquiry into India's history, mythology and religion through 80 questions. It is published by India Research Press and is now going into a third edition.
#286 Posted by Eklavya on June 1, 2008 7:25:55 pm
Cheema ji, there is no confrontation. It is my pleasure to understand and appreciate you in your many hues :)
Goodnight, Sir.
Goodnight, Sir.
#285 Posted by akcheema on June 1, 2008 7:03:52 pm
Re: # 268; Eklavya,
for some one so anal about 'definitions' and clarity, e.g., in defining the perfect 'muslim'....all on record here.....why is it that your posts happen to be (perceived by many)the most unclear in what they are trying to convey...
....I don't need clarifications for myself.....I can see through you very well (hence the ongoing 'confrontations').....I am referring to many others with that difficulty
Oh I forgot....is it the "depth" of your personality that shows!!!
for some one so anal about 'definitions' and clarity, e.g., in defining the perfect 'muslim'....all on record here.....why is it that your posts happen to be (perceived by many)the most unclear in what they are trying to convey...
....I don't need clarifications for myself.....I can see through you very well (hence the ongoing 'confrontations').....I am referring to many others with that difficulty
Oh I forgot....is it the "depth" of your personality that shows!!!
#284 Posted by akcheema on June 1, 2008 6:58:40 pm
Re: # 260; Zeemax,
"There are Jews/Christians/Hindus/Buddhists who are more Muslim than me or anyone else. Only Allah knows the hearts."
It is very evident to me from your statement quoted above that your generosity and benevolence knows no bounds.
Just for the sake of clarity in my mind, does that premise extend to those otherwise appeared to be despised (perhaps an erroneous and inadvertant impression) by you....e.g., mirzaees (purely off the top of my head); my understanding is some may well be very loyal citizens and indeed 'Muslims'....using the analogy above?
"There are Jews/Christians/Hindus/Buddhists who are more Muslim than me or anyone else. Only Allah knows the hearts."
It is very evident to me from your statement quoted above that your generosity and benevolence knows no bounds.
Just for the sake of clarity in my mind, does that premise extend to those otherwise appeared to be despised (perhaps an erroneous and inadvertant impression) by you....e.g., mirzaees (purely off the top of my head); my understanding is some may well be very loyal citizens and indeed 'Muslims'....using the analogy above?
#283 Posted by akcheema on June 1, 2008 6:53:32 pm
Re: # 264; Eklavya
"I do think Muslims are willing and ready to take 'ownership' everywhere. The question becomes solely related to conflicts with views and interests and ownership claims of non-Muslims."))))
...and you still manage to maintain the illusion....you!
you are one clever man KaalChakkerbaaz!!!
Need I say more to you...or anyone else for that matter
"I do think Muslims are willing and ready to take 'ownership' everywhere. The question becomes solely related to conflicts with views and interests and ownership claims of non-Muslims."))))
...and you still manage to maintain the illusion....you!
you are one clever man KaalChakkerbaaz!!!
Need I say more to you...or anyone else for that matter
#282 Posted by dost_mittar on June 1, 2008 6:04:03 pm
akcheema:
I have something posted for you on my bhajan thread on up.
I have something posted for you on my bhajan thread on up.
#281 Posted by akcheema on June 1, 2008 5:51:16 pm
Re: # 279; DM sahib
"Muslims did not ask for that subsidiy; your governments gave it to them to please the mullahs in the expectation that they will deliver votes to them."
that is exactly what I eman by the 'evil of multi-culturalism'!
governments, in their appeasement of wild ideas, go overboard and then the common man gets accused when he was never involved in those decisions in the first place
"Muslims did not ask for that subsidiy; your governments gave it to them to please the mullahs in the expectation that they will deliver votes to them."
that is exactly what I eman by the 'evil of multi-culturalism'!
governments, in their appeasement of wild ideas, go overboard and then the common man gets accused when he was never involved in those decisions in the first place
#280 Posted by akcheema on June 1, 2008 5:49:03 pm
Re: # 258; Zeemax
"Am I a fascist, as I am accused of being so by even Pakistani Christians like ana whom I support, and you are not? Who is a fascist? Me, or you? Or ana?")))
Where does fascism come in to this discussion? and why did you have drag Ana into it?...she is one of the most pleasant characters around....why would I be 'not supporting' of her right to do what she damn well choses, religion or not?
It is none of my business...simple (as you'd say)
I didn't understand the purpose of this at all.....sorry; may be I missed something in haste
"Am I a fascist, as I am accused of being so by even Pakistani Christians like ana whom I support, and you are not? Who is a fascist? Me, or you? Or ana?")))
Where does fascism come in to this discussion? and why did you have drag Ana into it?...she is one of the most pleasant characters around....why would I be 'not supporting' of her right to do what she damn well choses, religion or not?
It is none of my business...simple (as you'd say)
I didn't understand the purpose of this at all.....sorry; may be I missed something in haste
#279 Posted by dost_mittar on June 1, 2008 5:28:03 pm
harimou#274:
Muslims did not ask for that subsidiy; your governments gave it to them to please the mullahs in the expectation that they will deliver votes to them. The same thing about the Muslim Personal Law, passed by a constituent assembly dominated by upper caste hindus.
Do you really not know what I meant by "ownership"? In brief, I meant taking pride in India and things Indian (at least those worth taking pride in), not just those associated with the period when Muslims ruled India.
Muslims did not ask for that subsidiy; your governments gave it to them to please the mullahs in the expectation that they will deliver votes to them. The same thing about the Muslim Personal Law, passed by a constituent assembly dominated by upper caste hindus.
Do you really not know what I meant by "ownership"? In brief, I meant taking pride in India and things Indian (at least those worth taking pride in), not just those associated with the period when Muslims ruled India.
#278 Posted by harimau on June 1, 2008 5:23:03 pm
Ref Mysteic #273 and #275
I am an Equal Opportunity Abuser.
I don't spare anybody because of race, religion, color or ethnic origin.
I am an Equal Opportunity Abuser.
I don't spare anybody because of race, religion, color or ethnic origin.
#277 Posted by harimau on June 1, 2008 5:19:27 pm
Ref Mystic #273
Recently in Chennai, a canteen for the plolicemen was formally opened by the Superintendent of Police at the Chennai Police Commissioner's office complex.
Howver, there is going to be second inauguration of the same canteen because the Deputy Inspector General wants to have the honor of opening the canteen.
The DIG's name? Masanamuthu!!!
I don't make these things up. In Tamil Nadu, I don't HAVE to!
Recently in Chennai, a canteen for the plolicemen was formally opened by the Superintendent of Police at the Chennai Police Commissioner's office complex.
Howver, there is going to be second inauguration of the same canteen because the Deputy Inspector General wants to have the honor of opening the canteen.
The DIG's name? Masanamuthu!!!
I don't make these things up. In Tamil Nadu, I don't HAVE to!
#276 Posted by masanamuthu on June 1, 2008 5:14:16 pm
Mystic:
harimau is the indian version of Ku Klux Klan. I'm amused by his rantings. What has that got to do with myself being an Hindu or not. I'm an agnostic.
harimau is the indian version of Ku Klux Klan. I'm amused by his rantings. What has that got to do with myself being an Hindu or not. I'm an agnostic.
#275 Posted by Mystic on June 1, 2008 5:06:01 pm
Re: # 274
As usual bitching randi rona Hari
Not that 150 Million is begged subsidy consider that 15% of India (in terms of tarrif fee license permissions and all controlled assets of 15 % citizens ) amount to billions .
You let disabling obcurantist personal law down the throat of Muslims 'so that you can fk the dalit, burn your bride opress your women keep devdasini in sankaracharyas enclave usurp secular democracy by intimidation Hindutva ALL IN THE NAME OF BEING GAURAV HINDU
I have the same agenda AGAINST this idiotic policy of govt .which is not in interest of any muslim of india
As usual bitching randi rona Hari
Not that 150 Million is begged subsidy consider that 15% of India (in terms of tarrif fee license permissions and all controlled assets of 15 % citizens ) amount to billions .
You let disabling obcurantist personal law down the throat of Muslims 'so that you can fk the dalit, burn your bride opress your women keep devdasini in sankaracharyas enclave usurp secular democracy by intimidation Hindutva ALL IN THE NAME OF BEING GAURAV HINDU
I have the same agenda AGAINST this idiotic policy of govt .which is not in interest of any muslim of india
#274 Posted by harimau on June 1, 2008 4:38:57 pm
Ref dost_mittar #259
[It is time that Muslims in India took "ownership" of India and not leave it to the hindutva brigade.]
Without "taking ownership" ofIndia, Indian Muslims are already exempt from civil law as it applies to citizens of India; get a subsidy for Hajj pilgrimage that is costing the government about $150 million; and are ensuring that India is the only country where they can say "talaq talaq talaq" and be divorced and free from even paying alimony after 3 months.
If, as you suggest, the Indian Muslims take "ownership" of India, I guess we will be seeing the re-introduction of jizya on non-Muslims!
PS. How much would you like to bet that the Govt of India will RAISE the Hajj subsidy this year to offset the increased cost of air tickets caused by oil hitting $130 a barrel?
PPS. Back in the 1970s, the increase in the price of oil WAS used as the justification for introducing the Hajj subsidy.
Right now, diesel is used in busus and locomotives. Any chance that tickets to Varanasi, Prayag, Hardwar and Rameswaram would be subsidised by the Government of India? Naaah, I don't think so!
[It is time that Muslims in India took "ownership" of India and not leave it to the hindutva brigade.]
Without "taking ownership" ofIndia, Indian Muslims are already exempt from civil law as it applies to citizens of India; get a subsidy for Hajj pilgrimage that is costing the government about $150 million; and are ensuring that India is the only country where they can say "talaq talaq talaq" and be divorced and free from even paying alimony after 3 months.
If, as you suggest, the Indian Muslims take "ownership" of India, I guess we will be seeing the re-introduction of jizya on non-Muslims!
PS. How much would you like to bet that the Govt of India will RAISE the Hajj subsidy this year to offset the increased cost of air tickets caused by oil hitting $130 a barrel?
PPS. Back in the 1970s, the increase in the price of oil WAS used as the justification for introducing the Hajj subsidy.
Right now, diesel is used in busus and locomotives. Any chance that tickets to Varanasi, Prayag, Hardwar and Rameswaram would be subsidised by the Government of India? Naaah, I don't think so!
#273 Posted by Mystic on June 1, 2008 1:27:37 pm
Masanmathu
For all the abuses Harimou heaps on you day in day out 'for the same reason .....you Still remain hindu
For all the abuses Harimou heaps on you day in day out 'for the same reason .....you Still remain hindu
#272 Posted by nasah on June 1, 2008 1:20:15 pm
"India's religious tolerance a role model for world: Dalai Lama"
Amen!
Amen!
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