Were Buddhists and Jains Persecuted in Ancient India?

#382
A K Cheema...
I use the term to imply local flavoured,sobered down, little more civilised version of Islam....Dog as just another animal (nothing literary and to insult).

I request you read collection of Swami Vivekananda. He had travelled extensively throughout India and how he had come to conclusion (through local customs, folk tales, literatures...). Remaining, I will provide some evidences ( like in one post from Maharana, where the Jain temples in Rajasthan, provides enough clue about islamic barbarism).

http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/complete_works .htm

If you are living in USA,UK or Australia, you may find some R K Mission near by. They will provide some more information...

Islam had nothing to offer, which can make lives of Indians better. Just learn the list of accomplishments by indians pre 12th/13th century and after that. Compare the same with post 1870...
Search Boudhayana, Brahmagupta...Sushruta, Charak, Panini....

Search University of Taxila, Nalanda....

Rest is upto you to conclude....

Guys.....guys.....guys!!

Looks like my refernce to mirzaees (metaphorical and purely used as an example....as I couldn't think of another one at the time) has been expanded into a bizzarre discussion "for and against" mirzaees.

I have already made it clear before....Feroz Qutabshahi's board recently; I have no strong feelings, one way or the other, on this subject. I grew up in a Sunni household and this subject hardly ever came up; for some reason, it happens to be one that generates a lot of silly emotions in people from both sides.

Also, in my reply to #307, I just wanted to state that a decorum should be observed (at least on FP) and personal attacks should be avoided.

NKG sahib: your constant "dog analogy" to describe Muslims of one sect or another is quite tedious if not outright silly.....please find an argument more 'educated' than that to put forward your point....you might actually win a few hearts in the process.

No nation/religious sect/philosophy/country has an absolute monoploy on knowledge, technology and the advancement of science etc. The west may be lightyears ahead now, but that wasn't always the case. By you keep repeating like a parrot that the sun always shined out of India's backyard, and somehow barbaric Muslims destroyed that fairytale for you, it is not going to become the truth; in your own mind perhaps....so think again!

By the same token no single entity/sect has been responsible for bloodshed of its opponents etc.....it is a trait well represented in absolutely every human culture around....at times at personal/tribal levels...and at other times in a much wider sense.

I just thought I should make that clear for the record.

Now please carry on....I am off

"Followers of other faiths, after having unsuccessfully attempted the missionary method of attacking the Muslims, seem to have abandoned their ways and by supporting the Qadianis (Ahmadis) with their work! Why would they feel so strong about supporting these "self-professed Muslims"? Laddu being one of such"

Zuber ji,

I am hardly concerned who calls himself as a "muslim" or who gets a place in the Islamic heavens. I am only concerned about my hindu faith and the violence and belligerence that may be shown by others.
Ahmedi-Islam is one such muslim faith that has dropped the violent posture against idolators - so it is but natural that we would support them instead of the mullahs of Pakistan who hold perverse and violent Jehad as part of their faith.

Re: # 362
Laddu...
Sufi Islam is like domesticated dog.

Muradbaig...
Caste system predates buddism (whole form). Mahabharat was written around 5th century BC (late Vedic period/Vedantic period) and specifies about caste system.

Re: # 302
Mystic...
India is never a homogenous culture (language, food habit, social customs...). That does not imply, arab slavery should be treated as part of inherent Indian culture.
Vivekananda, Rabindranath, Bankimchandra, Satyen Bose, J C Bose are definitely great person and they have revived Vanga from semi barbarism. It had glorious ancient( Tamralipta, Gaud, Karnasuvarna, Vishnupur), quite poor mediaval, and good modern period (1870-1970)..

Regarding naxalism..., I do agree with you. It has destroyed the achievments made in last 100 years (1870-1970). But in day to day life the chaos is very less compared to old places like Hooghly, part of Burdwan etc...
Regarding agriculture, it has nothing to do with moslems.
Anybody can do this job, provided, they get good guidence from agriculture department. Ganga valley is very fertile and suitable for 2/3 crops per year without any extra investment. High population growth (mostly contributed by moslems) causing trouble for the state.
Paschim Vanga is facing is high population density. GOI should have pushed moslems to BD, when bangals were migrating to India. We (Ghati in local term) have to bear the burden of both. Bangals are smart in education and cultural side (at least my experience).
Regarding image of Bengal, I will not quote Gokhale. Look for research sholars and senior professors in any all india institutes. You will find couple of Tamil and Bengali guys everywhere. Visit India's premere research institute,IISc campus...

Mirza Ghulam's Tirade against Jesus Christ(pbuh)
(In light of his own Writings)

Among his other claims, Mirza Ghulam also stated to be the Promised Messiah of the revelations and superior to Jesus(pbuh), the son of Mary(RA), in every aspect. However, when he became aware of the authentic teachings (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet Muhammad(SAW) confirming the fact that Jesus(pbuh) will descend before the end of this world, he had to resort to deception and treachery to misguide and impress the uninformed.

Naturally, all learned Muslims and Christians were disgusted that a person of such a questionable character would even dare to make such an outrageous claim. They could not reconcile Mirza's many faults with the perfection of the Messiah and refused to pay any attention to his claims. But, the claim to being the Messiah was an integral part of Mirza's satanic scheme to promote himself to prophethood; hence, he insisted in propagating his lies. Outraged Christians demanded that he perform miracles as Jesus(pbuh) had done and ridiculed him when he was unable to do so.

In return, Mirza resorted to making blasphemous statements about Jesus(pbuh), one of the greatest Prophets. Since Mirza was neither willing to correct his own moral and ethical flaws nor able to perform miracles, he could not have ever hoped to raise his own status to that of Jesus(pbuh) - whom he viewed as his competitor to messiahship. Instead, Mirza resorted to making desperate and slanderous remarks in an attempt to try to lower the status of Jesus(pbuh) to his own level!

Listed are some of the better known writings of Mirza Ghulam in this regard. I apologize, in advance, for any offense you might find at these writings - and hope that Allah(SWT) will forgive for having reproduced these blasphemous statements. Please be assured that no Muslim would hold these same beliefs.

Mirza Insults the Family of Jesus(pbuh)

* "Jesus's three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood Jesus came into existence."(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda; Anjam-i-Atham, P. 9, appendix)
* "You may have tried to find a solution to my claims about the Messiah's parental and maternal grandmothers. I am tired of thinking. Up to now, no nice solution has occurred to me. What a glorious God is HE whose paternal and maternal grandmothers are of such repute?"(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 394; Nur-ul-Quran, Vol. 2, P. 45)
* "Islam, unlike Christianity, does not teach us that God was born of a woman - and was fed by sucking blood from the womb of his mother for nine months - the blood which had the qualities of prostitutes like the daughters of Saba, Tamar, and Rabah." (Anjam-e-Athum, P. 41)
* "Jesus had an inclination for prostitutes perhaps due to his ancestral relationship with them..."(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)

Mirza Insults Mary(RA)

* "Mary's eminence is such that she put off her marriage for a long time, but after constant pressure of the community leaders, and due to her pregnancy, she accepted to get married. However, people raise objection about how she could have been married while pregnant, that being against the teachings of the Torah. People also object to Mary breaching the oath of celibacy. People also question why Mary set the foundation of polygamy. In other words, why did Mary agree to marry Joseph the carpenter, despite his being already married."(Kasthi-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 18; Kasthi-i-Nuh, P. 26)
* "Mary's hanging out with her fiancee Joseph before wedlock is a strong testimony of an Israelite custom.... Going out with fiancees among people in some frontier tribes had exceeded the limits to such an extent that sometimes pregnancy comes before wedlock, yet it is not looked down upon."(Ayyam-ul-Sulh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 300)
* "... Because the Messiah, son of Mary, had worked as a carpenter with his father Joseph for twenty two years, we know that he was able to invent different sorts of machines and instruments."(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 254)
* "Jesus's three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood Jesus came into existence." [See: Mirza Insults the family of Jesus(pbuh)](Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)
* "Jesus, The Messiah, had four brothers and two sisters; all of them were his real brothers and sisters. I mean that they all were the offspring of Joseph and Mary."
(Kashti-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 18)

Hope that everyone can readily see what Mirza Ghulam is insinuating here:

* It was common among Jews to go out with their fiancee and have premarital sex;
* Mary(RA) was a Jew and used to go out with his fiancee, Joseph;
* Mary(RA) broke her oath of celibacy (had multiple children);
* Joseph was the Father of Jesus(pbuh);
* Jesus(pbuh) had Paternal grandmothers (did Jesus(pbuh) even have a father?);
* Jesus(pbuh) had brothers/sisters and all were the children of Joseph and Mary(RA).

In short, Mirza insolently suggested that Mary(RA) had engaged in premarital sex with Joseph; and Jesus(pbuh) was the result of that fornication. Each one of these claims of Mirza are unfounded and untruthful charges.

Mirza Claims himself Superior to Jesus(pbuh)

* "To this nation, God sent His promised Messiah (Mirza), who is better than the first Messiah (Jesus) in all regards. I swear by God in whose hands my soul rests that if the Messiah, son of Mary, were my contemporary, he could not have done the works that I can do. Nor would he be able to match the signs (miracles) which I am bringing."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 152; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 148)
* "To this community, God sent the promised Messiah (Mirza) who is better in all glory that the first Messiah (Jesus) and calls this new Messiah Ghulam Ahmad."
(Dafi-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 233; Dafi-ul-Bala P. 27)
* "After all, when God and His Apostle (Muhammad(SAW)) and all the Prophets have declared the supremacy of the second Messiah (Mirza) of this period due to his great achievements; then, it is a satanic act to question me 'Why do you proclaim yourself superior to the first Messiah, the son of Mary?'."(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 159)

* "Give up all mention of the son of Mary, because Ghulam Ahmad is superior to him."(Dafi-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 240; Dafi-ul-Bala, P. 30)

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani abused Jesus(pbuh) and, in doing so, rejected verses of Quran speaking of Jesus(pbuh) and his family. He was no more than an opportunist and a fabricator.
May God forgive me for reproducing the profanities & indignities inflicted by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed & contained in publications outlined within parentheses above.

Mannerism of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani!
(In light of his own Writings)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani did not have any scruples at using profanities to try to ridicule, intimidate, or threaten people who did not accept his false claim to prophethood.

Here are a few examples of his writings:

"My enemies are dirty swine and their women are more wretched than bitches."(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 53; Najmul Huda, P. 10, 53)

"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547; Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548)

[Mirza Ghulam translated this Arabic word as "Bastard" in
(Roohany Khazaen Vol. 11, P. 282)

"The one who has no belief in our ultimate victory is fond of becoming bastard and he is bound to be product of fornication." (Roohany Kazaen, Vol. 9, P. 31; Anwar ul Islam, P. 30)

"Are they prepared to swear? No, they'll never do so because they are liars and are derooting the corpse of falsehood like dogs."(Supplement to Anjam-e-Atham, P. 25; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 309)

His eulogy about Maulvi Saadullah Ludhianwi was:
"I look a sinful man among debauched who is more scoundrel and an execrated being like Satan... He who is called Saadullah by the ignorant is slanderer, wicked and a falsifier... You injured me, bastard. I won't be truthful if you won't have a disgraceful death."(Haqiqat-ul Wahi, P. 14-15; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 734-735)

"If Abdullah Athum is saved from death (as per Mirza's prophecy) and if all the world say the Christian was correct, then the bastard will not follow the right path."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 32)

"Abdul Haq is not content with our victories. He is itching to become a bastard."(Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)

"There is nothing more foul than a pig in the world. But the ulema who oppose me are more foul than pigs. "(Anjam-i-Atham, P. 21)

"You have inflicted pain on me with your foulness. You are not truthful. I pray that you die in shame, you son of a harlot."(Anjam-i-Atham, P. 288)

"This bastard of a doctor does not thread the straight path."(Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)

He called Shaikhul Islam Saanaullah of Amristar:"O, the son of wind, o traitor..." (Ijaz-i-Ahmadi, P. 43/77)

The puzzling thing is that he himself wrote:
"I have never abused anyone."(Moahiburahman, P. 18)

"He is worst who is abusive, his heart is as filthy as Latrine."(Sar-e-Sumain, P. 74)

"Abuses and rebukes are not the acts of a believer and a believer can not be a curser."(Azalat-ul-Auham, P. 66)

Is this how a Prophet or even a rightly guided individual would speak?
in light of above quoted writings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, Laddu you can look up what level he says you belong to

The Purpose of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat)

Doctrines of Islam Feared the Most
The enemies of Allah (SWT), wishing to enslave the humanity to a relentless pursuit of the transient allures of this life, have always been very weary of two Islamic doctrines:

1. The Islamic belief in Allah(SWT)'s limitless mercy, knowledge, and power that propels every Muslim to shape his/her life for the sole purpose of achieving closeness with Allah(SWT) in the hereafter. This means that a Muslim strives to live in accordance with the instructions of Allah(SWT) and is willing to selflessly sacrifice his/her time, talent, property and very life in the cause of Islam and humanity.
2. The oneness of the Muslim Ummah, based in the common belief in Allah(SWT), Muhammad(SAW), and the Holy Quran, is reinforced through the rituals that all Muslims - regardless of national origin, socio-economic class, race, gender, and age - routinely follow.

Attacks faced by Islam and Muslims
It is natural, then, to expect the enemies of truth, brotherhood, justice, and freedom to attack these doctrines in their relentless pursuit to weaken Muslims, both individually and as a nation. These are some of their favorite methods:

* Direct Attack
o Terrorism directed toward Muslims;
o Military Intervention.
* Indirect Attack
o Ridiculing the doctrines of Islam by:
+ Attributing derogatory terminology (fundamentalist, intolerant, backward, ...) with Islam and Muslims;
+ Making fun of Muslim scholars thought speeches, poetry and movies;
+ Making fun of Islamic lifestyle;
+ Withholding science and technology from Muslim nations and blaming the society's lack of progress on Islam;
+ Supporting, through higher education (PHDs, MDs, Professors), those individuals who can be trusted either not to practice Islam or reject its doctrines as useless and outdated;
+ Glorifying successful public personalities who reject the ideals of Islam;
o Sponsoring and supporting political leaders who are willing to slowly convert the society to an unIslamic and immoral system, designed for better exploitation of individuals and resources;
o Supporting organizations and individuals who reject Islamic doctrine through false publications against the character of the Prophet(SAW), authenticity of the Holy Quran and all Hadith, and the doctrines of Islam;
o Imprisoning legitimate Muslim scholars on false charges;
o Planting pseudo-scholars who preach a very destructive and baseless version of Islam;
o Making divisive, extremist, and heretic movements and Sects within Islam;
o Planting new and alternative man-made "religions".

Throughout the history of Islam, shortsighted individuals have resorted to such tactics to control the masses and undercut their innate desire for justice, equality, and freedom. The "Indirect" method has been proven to be the least costly to them - in terms of the loss of life, overall expense, and the long-term success. By relying on this method, the exploiters hope to gain the control of the masses in a slow, calculated fashion. They, in effect, hope to brainwash the Muslims generation after generation, until most "Muslims" can not recognize truth fom falsehood and will mindlessly become slaves to every whim of the immoral and the powerful.

We pray that Allah(SWT) will bestow upon us the wisdom to see these stealth methods of attacks used by the enemies of Islam.

The Role of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat)
The Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) cult was created and is being promoted by the enemies of Islam, for the sole purpose of weakening and dividing the Muslim Ummah, at the time when the colonial powers were seeking to prepare the Muslim world for exploitation. Setting aside the unIslamic teachings of the Mirza Ghulam Qadiani (ie. rejecting the Finality of Prophethood, claiming to be a second Advent of Prophet Muhammad, belying the verses of the Holy Quran, abusing Jesus Christ, and striving to create extremism and hatred between Muslims and Christins), the doctrine of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) differ from Islam in its open pursuit of making the masses obedient and subservient to the interests of immoral, unjust, and tyrannical rulers.

The following are among such doctrines of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat), as advocated by its founders:

* Every Qadiani (Ahmadi) must be willing to sacrifice his/her wealth and life for the Government (which at the time was the British Empire) in charge, regardless of the actions of the regime;
* No Qadiani (Ahmadi) can participate in demonstrations and Jihad against an oppressive or unjust Government;
* Qadianis (Ahmadis) are to follow every teaching of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani (their prophet), even when it is in clear contradiction to the teachings of Islam.
* Qadianis (Ahmadis) are expected to hold Qadian (India) and Rabwah (Pakistan) as their holy cities;
* Qadianis (Ahmadis) are taught to feel superior to Muslims and are expected to try to convert Muslims into Qadianism, by referring to false and baseless missionary arguments;
* Qadianis (Ahmadis) are to believe that Muslims are unbelievers;

The Qadiani leadership would like you to believe that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a prophet of Allah(SWT) and that his instructions, contradicting the verses of Quran, common sense, and the inspiration of every freedom and justice lover individual around the globe, were not simply an attempt to enslave a nation to the foreign powers of the era! They would like us to believe that Mirza's attempt to divide the nation and make it obedient to the oppressors, exploiters, and aggressors of the era were not the act of a self-serving individual, but those of a prophet of God!

However, historic evidence proves, without a doubt, that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was engaged in spreading propaganda in support of the tyrannical British Empire of his time. As he confessed in his own reports to his British overlords, he appointed himself to his post of prophethood to "remove the spirit of Jihad (struggle for freedom and independence) from the mind of ignorant Muslims".

"The enemies of Islam and the modern colonialists trying to enslave the Ummah are afraid of the resurgence of Islam; they fear the unity of Muslims and their spirit of Jihad."

nonnsense, actually this caricature of Ahmedi Islam appears to be a 'conspiracy' instead!!

How do Qadiani (Ahmadi) Missionaries Operate?
The followers of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani refer to themselves as "Ahmadi Muslims" and pretend to belong to the Sunni school of thought (individuals who follow the example and teachings of Prophet Muhammad). They approach individuals, who have never heard of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat), and, relying on their financial and political resources and baseless missionary arguments, try to convert Muslims into Qadianism.

They try to acquire new members by relying on traditional missionary techniques:

* Misrepresenting the holy Quran, hadith, Muslim scholars, and historical records;
* Attempting to discredit devoted Muslims and alienating their victims from the ummah;
* Preaching the appealing message of Islam at a ritualistic level;
* Misleading those who have not heard of Islam or Mirza Ghulam Qadiani;
* Confusing those with a very elementary knowledge of Islam;
* Building prayer halls, schools, and missionary houses to earn the trust of the needy.

They recruit new missionaries by:

* Bribing and buying the services of officials;
* Offering financial and material incentive to weak individuals;
* Funding the work and life of missionary workers in the West.

Followers of other faiths, after having unsuccessfully attempted the missionary method of attacking the Muslims, seem to have abandoned their ways and by supporting the Qadianis (Ahmadis) with their work! Why would they feel so strong about supporting these "self-professed Muslims"? Laddu being one of such

Naturally, except for the elite in the Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) Mission and those who follow the cult in way of loyalty to the way of their fathers, not too many individuals are aware of the core doctrine of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat). For over a century now, the Qadianis (Ahmadis) have refused to make a complete translation of their books available in other languages. While they boast about having distributed their false translation of the holy Quran in dozens of languages, they have refused to translate the writings of their own founder in any other language (original writings are mostly in Urdu, Persian, and Arabic)! What are they hiding?

The enemies of Islam and the modern colonialists trying to enslave the Ummah are afraid of the resurgence of Islam; they fear the unity of Muslims and their spirit of Jihad. They know too well that a Muslims converted to Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) is a blindly obedient person who will never move against the will of his/her masters. These unbelievers will stoop to anything to achieve their goal and certainly have no qualms about condemning many souls to hell, in the process.

Ahmadiyya Movement in, or against, Islam?
The "Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam" (called by Muslims everywhere as "Qadianism") was established, in 1889, by Mirza Ghulam Qadiani (1835 - 1908) in a small Punjabi village of India. Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s family were in the service of the British colonial powers and, to his dying days, Mirza Ghulam openly declared his allegiance to the British imperialism. In fact, the culmination of his service to foreign power was his declaration that resistance to oppressors (Jihad) -- as ordained in the Holy Quran by God -- had become unIslamic!

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s life was laden with contradictory and anti-Islamic claims. In 1880, he declared himself to be only a Muslim writer; in 1885, he announced he was a revivalist (Mujaddid); in 1891, he claimed to be the Promised Mehdi and the Promised Messiah; and in 1901, he pronounced himself a prophet of God! Facing an open and strong opposition by Muslim Scholars and religious leaders for this blasphemous declaration and other teachings which belittled Jesus Christ(pbuh) and contradicted the Quranic revelations, he also announced that he was the second and improved coming of the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) with authority to reinterpret the Holy Quran at his pleasure! Not happy with mere prophethood, in 1904, he declared himself the Krishna (the Hindu Lord). Obviously, like an unethical modern-day politician, he was trying to appeal to all uneducated segments of the public in India!

Fortunately, the Almighty Allah(SWT), time and time again, exposed Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's falsehood through his own statements and so-called prophecies. Even many of his own family members were aware of his treachery and openly opposed his anti-Islamic teachings. Mirza Ghulam Qadiani finally died by intervention of the Almighty Allah and as the result of religious prayer challenges (Mubahala), in 1908.

Since the death of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, his heirs -- the leaders of the Qadiani organization ("Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam") -- have been extremely busy trying to clean up his image. Backed by seemingly unlimited support they receive from their anti-Muslim allies, they have been promoting falsehood and deception through the media. They have even resorted to removing some of most controversial writings of Qadiani leadership -- which had become a source of embarrassment to them -- from circulation. Their partial English translation of their original text has been heavily edited to exclude all controversial and anti-Islamic sayings of their cult leaders. Obviously, they themselves realize the true nature of their "Ahmadiyya Mission".

The goal of the "Ahmadiyya Mission" is, and has always been, to confuse uninformed Muslims, divide the Ummah, prevent resistance to oppressors (Jihad), and provide an alternative to non-Muslims who find the message of Islam appealing. Quite cunningly, they do so by using Islamic terminology and teachings, and hiding the controversial writings of their founders. Today, only the most learned Muslims are able to attend one of their functions and realize that their brand of Islam is a form of Kufr (disbelief). Even when their leaders mention the Kalima (I bear witness there is only one God and Muhammad is his messenger), they are referring to their founder who proclaimed himself to be (God forbid) the second improved coming of the prophet Muhammad(SAW) and not to the true Prophet(SAW) of Allah(SWT).

Muslim brethren everywhere should not be confused by Qadiani leadership's superficial use of Islamic concepts to promote their cult. Our beloved Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and the four Khalifah also faced such false prophets. Of particular interest is the claim by an Arab, named Musailama, to prophethood, during the latter part of the life of the Prophet(SAW). Although he simply claimed co-prophethood with the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) of Arabia and did not belie any other teaching of the Holy Quran, he and all of his mislead followers were declared out of the fold of Islam, by righteous believers. Under the leadership of Hadrat Abu Bakr Siddique(RA) and with the unanimous consensus of all the companions of the Prophet Muhammad(SAW), a victorious war was waged against Musailama for using Islamic concepts and claiming prophethood. This should indeed be sufficient evidence to declare the Qadianis as non-Muslims.

In 1974, after an exhaustive examination of all the evidence presented for and against the Qadianis, the Muslim World League (Rabita Alame Islami) -- which represents all religious scholars from every Muslim country of the world -- passed an unanimous resolution declaring the Qadiani Movement and its leadership out of the fold of Islam. Indeed, "Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam" is a man-made organization with no divine authority or guidance.

Say: "O ye men! Now Truth hath reached you from your Lord! those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss: and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs."
(The Holy Quran, Yunus, 10:108)

Re: # 370

what 'conspiracy' ??

khul ke kaho!!!

Re: # 369
Conspiracy theory proven, witness = Laddu and his innuendo

"Mirzais take that to town as to why non-Muslims should be grateful to them."

The rest of the kafir world is indeed extremely happy and 'grateful' with this gesture of peace and solidarity that Ahmedi brought to the world by abrogating the message of hate and violence that emanates from mullah Islam.

Yes, that is true. One of the changes Mirza made in Islam was to declare violent Jihad away.

Mirzais take that to town as to why non-Muslims should be grateful to them.

If that, in itself, is important enough for you, then you should definitely support Mirzaism over Islam.

(but if you get any closer, you would be very surprised, though, at the level of fanaticism that this cult promotes for its own beliefs, and against every kind of Indian thought. But let's leave it at that.)

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Both Dr Israr Ahmed and Zakir Naik are transparent. One shouldn't need Mirzai help in order to understand them. If Mirzais opposed them then it must be for their own purposes - which is not the same as ours (even if you feel Mirzai opposition to Islam is enough.)

Anyways, I must bid you good night, Sir. :)