Were Buddhists and Jains Persecuted in Ancient India?

Re: # 331

"We are dealing with genuine beliefs, and that's how those should be respected."

These are "genuine" dis-beliefs and misconstrual by the momeens fed on dawah and evangelist literature who only aim at disparaging other faiths so that their evil muslim supremacist propaganda can be spread.

Tell me Murad, despite being an Indian who interacts with mushriques on a daily basis do you still believe that idolators like me "worship idols" ?? Isn't this "genuine" belief of momeens like you that we idolators "worship" idols??

GT#326:

I have only read bits of the book and reviews. I bought the book but gave it to my daughter who hasn't returned it yet. I like Jagdish Bhagwati more as an economist but Amartya is more versatile.

eklavya#324:

If there is ever such a commission, the same-same people should have they say, too.

Re: # 331
"No amount of elf-righteous anger can change the fact that it is ANY loser's fault that he or she loses."

What do mean by LOSER?

You mean a victim of homicide by evil momeen goons is a LOSER??

Are you out of your mind??

As per your logic the innocent muslims in Gujrat are LOSERS!!!

As per your logic the victims of Hitler's genocide are LOSERS?

So, Benazir Bhutto is a LOSER!! Gandhi is a LOSER!!

Evey other victim of homicide is a LOSER!!

Let the hordes come and rape your family and then you can claim them to be LOSERS!!

laddu, please calm down. Vengat is absolutely right.

No amount of elf-righteous anger can change the fact that it is ANY loser's fault that he or she loses.

The rest is all excuses.

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And let's not be quick to ascribe Murad evil intentions. He might well be a perfectly honest and sincere person. Just as a lot of Hindus are not hypocrites for trying their hardest to be 'secular' in contexts that make secularism an unreasonable doctrine.

We are dealing with genuine beliefs, and that's how those should be respected.

Re: # 317

"It is the fault of the unconverted Hindu's ancestors for not having protected or convinced not to convert. "

you mean it is the "fault' of the vaishnava VICTIMS that they were killed and beheaded by the momeen goons in Melukote temple?
You mean it was the fault of the female members of the vaishnavas at Melukote that they were RAPED and carried off as sex slaves to momeens?
You mean it was the fault of the hindus that they do not worship the blood thirsty Allah?

You are exposing your beard beneath that shirt of yours. This blaming the victim and espousal of "uncovered meat" attitude would certainly please the mullahs!!

Lahol!!!

Re: # 325

Dont forget to chk the pic gallery for some pics of you .There are exceptions Hari

Hema malini, Tharoor ,Jaylalitha LOL

Murad,

If you mis-construct hindu philosophy and try to create your own historiographies borrowed from dawah and evangelist literatures then you are certainly in for trouble.

the fact that you are trying to get some feed back on this Paki site shows your evil intent in publishing this as a 'book' in india.

Re: # 319

"Moksha, Nirvana as well as Karma and Dharma were Buddhist and Jain traditions not found in the Rigveda. As the four vedas evolved they added Brahmanas, Ariyankas and Upanishads to each one. So Brahmin (not Hindu) texts incorporated their ideas into a new Vedic philosophy."

This is utter nonsense Murad. Do npot try to teach we hindus our own faith- stick to the hallucinations of that paedophile. On what basis can you assert this nonsense that the Upanishads are "later" additions under the influence of buddhists and Jains.
Have you gone through the commentaries of Shankara and other scholars on Upanishads??
Do not try to spread mis-information about our faith with this mis-constructions of yours and your evil momeen agenda!

Please d_m:

" Amartya Sen, who has been able to reestablish his credentials with the anti-pseudo-secularists with his "Argumentative Indian"...."

Have you read this book .... Amartya Sen is perhaps the most over-rated economist .... it has to do mostly with (i) the tribal and bombastic nature of Bengali economists; (ii) the fact that most Indians hardly read but go on reputation.

Ref Shah2 #323

[#309 Harimou

You remind me of Short Dark Stinking Fellow named Deoras.He was so disgusting even his few friends calld him "stinky"
I wonder why ?

Is it b/ c dravidians were dark short negroid like you having identity crisis when confronted with reality that you & massumathu u r nemessis are 'same rascially and Gentically .'OMG]

I am just under 6' in height.

Which would make me taller than most of the North Indians and above the median height in the US or Europe.

I look down on mentally deficient folks like you... both from a physical and a mental perspective.

dm ji

"truth and reconciliation" would be great if ALL sides could say, freely, what they truly believe, even if they are acused of being all bad things. That applies to Muslims and Indic peoples.

South Africans had it extremely easy, comparatively. The world did not consider democracy and apartheidism and violent miltancy - all equally valid ideologies to equally be 'respected.' Believers in apartheid had not only lost politically, they had also been delegitimated both nationally and internationally, and had no basis to ask for respect for apatheidism, and black violent militancy was needed no more, by its own logic.

So, the much ballyhooed game of 'truth or dare' in South Africa came AFTER nature had solved all their biggest problems, and effectively removed structural conflicts. One has to grant them that they did not INVITE trouble.

Nothing of the sort happened in India. I don't think Murad bhai can ever talk to any Indic peoples, except to commies or to deliberately ignorant ones, and of course, vice versa.

#309
Harimou
You remind me of Short Dark Stinking Fellow named Deoras.He was so disgusting even his few friends calld him "stinky"
I wonder why ?

Is it b/ c dravidians were dark short negroid like you having identity crisis when confronted with reality that you & massumathu u r nemessis are 'same rascially and Gentically .'OMG

muradbaig:

Thanks for coming here to engage with us. It is only through such amrit-manthan that the nectar of truth will result.

Unlike my good friend eklavya here, I am not that pessimistic about the impossibility of having a dialogue, though I do agree with him that Islam and Indic faiths, as belief systems, are poles apart. Actually, I do believe in some sort of historical "truth and reconciliation" commission, headed by a Marxist like Amartya Sen, who has been able to reestablish his credentials with the anti-pseudo-secularists with his "Argumentative Indian", to arrive at a historical consensus on contentious issues, or even arriving at respectful disagreements.

Murad babu

The polar opposites of Indic peoples are not the much-abused Islamic "fanatics" and believers but 'good (in Hindu eyes)' Muslims like you.

Instead of repeating, like a drunk parrot, that ALL religions are this, and ALL religions are THAT, kindly answer a few questions some Hindus have been foolishly raising. Foolishly, because Indic peoples can never converse with 'good' Muslims like you, and vice versa, never at all in important matters.

However, since the two of you ARE engaged in this foolish dialogue, instead of going after whether something is 5000 years old or five, please respond to some basic questions (to those who are interested in your answers): Why do you insist on using 7 AD (or whatever) as the starting point for Hinduism? Why do you use the word Hinduism for Indic peoples before your Muslim ancestors came from wherever you believe they came from, in the first place?

Your argumment that the knowledge of Vedas etc is owed to Dara Shikoh etc is so pathetic that one need not even address it. But unfortunately, we are stuck with you, and you want to opine about us (that is ok, we opine about you), so please explain matters as rationally as you can.

Thanks.

sattar bhai

Obviously, as a mirazi you cannot agree, but if one removed all reference to your separate religion, hope you would agree with #301. If not, please help us understand why.

Hope you, at least, agree that Islam existed before it was revealed in the final form to Prophet Muhammad. That much any Muslim kid, if he or she is half educated, should know (even if he or she is misled into mirzaism).

But, it would really help if you would let us know where the logic in # 3101 is flawed (other than, again, in dismissing the eternal and heavenly truth of mirazism, of course :)).

Thanks.