Confessions of a Religious Fundamentalist

Re: # 34; majumdar

one gets a certificate from someone else...that is all....I have already stated that I donot accept anyone else's authority here....

thanks and Good Bye

OK, wrong choice of words. But you can call me a certified Bong Hindoo, I am OK with that.

Regards

Re: # 32; majumdar

the words you are looking for are "self-proclaimed" and not 'cerified'

can I refer to you as a "certified hindoo Bengali"?....somehow doesn't sound right, does it?

please don't go on with your 'dissection' of every word I write.....I find that unnecessary and quite frankly annoying

Cheema sahib,

(where did I get this "certificate" from?)

Didn't you certify yourself as a murtid?

Regards

Re: # 30; Regard

Thanks

#29 Akram, I do not interact often but follow yours for their clarity very eagerly. In one of the previous ones, I remember you had described stages of reaction from fundamentalists to any interrogation on Islam. An uncalled for ad hominem and bulleying was one when a fundamentalist finds himself short of arguments. Self-righteousness has nothing to do with it.

I still find them cheap and useless to interact with any such characters. I also wonder why discussion on Murad beg's article which pulled up Hinduism sharply did not get as vulgar and distasteful as anything where Islam is even referred remotely... like this article.

I'm not taking sides. Hinduists are as ridiculous as Islamists. It is the format and attitudes in discussion which differ. Wonder why!!!!

Re: # 27

No one has denied any 'documented' interacts; I stand by every word I ever wrote here...except of course if I retracted it openly...I am not sure what gave anyone the idea that I didn't mean what I said?!

As for the explanation...it was in response to the allegations of red-flagging and other stuff which has nothing whatsoever to do with me.

Regarding the authority and scholarship issue...I stand by that as well; I don't accept anyone here has either of the aforementioned to cast judgements....if they do, they'd be the biggest hypocrites themselves.

Just because I don't agree with someone's point of view or have a solid one myself, does not give anyone else the right to start throwing personal abuse at me, or anyone else who happens to share those views; the level of personal self-righteousness seems to be mindboggling amongst some individuals here.

Hope that clarifies it for good.

Dear Hasan Sahib. Your devoutness is commendable but the word fundimental has been badly corrupted. Fundimentally the founders of all faiths loved all humanity and the revisionists, who made religions hate each other, have hijacked the word fundamentilist.

I fear blind faith because it is the veil behind which many poor innocents are often persuaded to believe and do horrible things.

Murad

Now what can a man do if one denies 'documented' interacts at CHOWK?

Men can fool men but never get away from being answerable to God.

One day soon....

Re: # 21 & 25; majumdar

Thanks!......for the record, I had nothing to do with the aforementioned activities I am accused of....not my style

btw; where did I get this "certificate" from?!....if you are referring to anyone's opinion here at chowk on the subject, I don't accept their authority on such matters........or scholarship for that matter

Cheers

Tahir mian,

My limited point. Cheema sahib is a certified murtid but he does not go about denying other people the right to express their own.

Regards

Re: # 22
"Apart from the blasphemy though, what do you think of che.. sahib?"

I'm more concerned about what the recording angels might be thinking about Che sahib!!

Re: # 21
"The gentleman you are referring to does not red flag posts."

Maj sahib, 'gentleman'!!?? It should be blasph-man!!

And how do you know? Na..it can't be CHOWK-staff; we have an understanding, finally!

tahir sahib,

blasphemy has become all the rage in certain circles. Rushdie started it, and then it became very profitable indeed to disparage the "backwardness" of Islam and to struggle for re-inventing and re-interpreting the Quran, Irshad Manji style.

If Cheema sahib is doing that and lives in Australia, well, he will surely succeed financially, and may even be considered an islamic scholar ;)

Apart from the blasphemy though, what do you think of cheema sahib?

Tahir mian,

The gentleman you are referring to does not red flag posts.

Regards

Notice the communist red-flagging me!

Can his name start with 'A' and then end with an 'A'; does he reside in a country whose name begins and ends with 'A'?

Hmmm...a...a...a...

Re: # 16
"I must appreciate the following linguistic acrobatics...wah wah. Muqarrar"

Do watch this space for more 'orchestral maneuvers in the dark'.

The new 'chapati' is almost ready to be sent to the FP!

Re: # 15
"...I also relate to some of Cheema sahib's world view."

Tie-Phone, Harry Cane; the same person? Gawd....

What can I say if you've developed a soft corner for the man in 'down-underwear'? It will take you a while to analyse his blasphemous posts, applause for blasphemers, and the rest of it. But I assure you, one fine day you'll be rid of bad taste.

In the meantime, blow in the right direction....

Re: # 14
"...there is only one source, one Creator, the essence of love...I'm with love..."

Well, Mr. Tie-Phone, you're either a Christian (Jesus is love), a flower-power hippie ('all you need is love'--the Beatles), or a certified Sufi shaykh (Oh no! Ibn al-Arabi!).

God is not all mercy--you know that! But this gets misinterpreted as 'vengeful God' by simpletons from other faiths.

I'm not in love, so don't forget it
It's just a silly phase I'm going through
--a 1975 song by a group called 10 c.c

Tahir sahib,

I may or may not agree with what you post in general (don't know, I don't venture out to FP that much), but I must appreciate the following linguistic acrobatics:

Interacting at CHOWK served me the same purpose it did to CHOWK-owners: to know what makes real men tick, dogs lick, kangaroos kick, and unbelievers sick.

The psychological profiles of the vultures (without culture) are complete now--thanks to their writhing in pain.

wah wah. Muqarrar

Let me switch back to the regular storm system and re-answer :)

[see: many labels, one source ;)]

Tahir

"Quick, choose whose side are you on; with US or THEM?"

Tahir, I enjoy watching you spar here. I relate to some of your worldview, I also relate to some of Cheema sahib's world view.

However, there is no US or THEM

For behind the labels of us and them, behind the angst and the fury, and the different positions etc, there is only one source, one Creator, the essence of love.

I'm with love ;)

Allah hu

Tahir

"Quick, choose whose side are you on; with US or THEM?"

Tahir, I enjoy watching you spar here. I relate to some of your worldview, I also relate to some of Cheema sahib's world view.

However, there is no US or THEM

For behind the labels of us and them, behind the angst and the fury, and the different positions etc, there is only one source, one Creator, the essence of love.

I'm with love ;)

Allah hu

Re: # 10
Mr. Muhammad A. Asadi, as-salamu alaikum,

Interacting at CHOWK served me the same purpose it did to CHOWK-owners: to know what makes real men tick, dogs lick, kangaroos kick, and unbelievers sick.

The psychological profiles of the vultures (without culture) are complete now--thanks to their writhing in pain.

A certain change HAS taken place here, don't you think?

Life is only good if one has faith; life must go on.

Regards.

Hyena: Doglike nocturnal mammal of Africa and southern Asia (also found on chowk) that feeds chiefly on carrion...

After every post they make, I am tempted to ask "Who let the dogs out...?"

g'night

Tahir writes "I operate alone out of an island of giants where nobody can be anybody's sidekick."

Beware of the peons of the West they ride together like hyenas and lacking the b@lls to attack lions always wait to strike when the person is not looking. Anil is a famous hyena here, he claims to be from Harvard Business School, writes Hindlish that would put him at the top of his class if he were a grade 4 student in a Bombay middle class school district, but don't tempt him or he'll give you his email address from harvard.edu to prove that he really is from there....

The author writes "If Max Weber is to be believed, the God of Capitalism comes directly from Calvinism (though I don’t agree with his thesis)."

The process was not "direct", you cannot agree or disagree with something you have in all probability never read, but only heard about. The article is weak, does not define religion or "secularism" and then tries to merge the two. No attempt is made to uncover the master symbols that convert so-called "secular" systems into myth creating factories and no attempt is made to show that attainment of knowledge in religion, where it concerns the Quran is not based on "faith" but on verification through empirical observation and falsification- objective scientific criteria for establishment of premises to operate under, beyond those few mohkam-i.e standard setting, a priori premises, Islam is as secular as any other system, even more so because it does not restrict the person thorugh bureaucratic rules and regualtions to determine best behavior, thus the purpose of life being "to see which one of you is best in doing", there is nothing to "see" if the "doing" is predetermined, that is what the mullahs don't seem to grasp so they have manufactured a whole series of "doings" and validated them as "Islam" just like the myth creating factories of the so-called "secularism" have set into circulation that every peon of the West repeats as if it were words from on high....

Re: # 5
Chief Ironside,
"Zeemax and his side kick Tahir..."

I operate alone out of an island of giants where nobody can be anybody's sidekick.

"God of the SEARCH FOR PERFECT KNOWLEDGE"

The author must differentiate between the God with perfect knowledge and a god of this 'search'. What a statement!

Re: # 4
Laddu, my 'completely LOST' Motichoor,

"perhaps you would FUNDAMENTALLY agree that idolators like me should be beheaded. No, maulana ji??"

Again you refer to Islamic Ahadith, not the Qur'an (the Torah-Bible for sure!). Nobody touches you my friend--except perhaps your own Brahmin pundit!

Regards.

Re: # 3
Mr. Harry Cane,

"and tahir mian and cheema sahib partnered up (wisely) a while back"

When did I team up with a blasphemer? Never! I asked him to stop, re-think, and--finally--aplogise to all Muslims here at CHOWK.

He never did--that's him. This is me...

"Tahir's "midget on stilts" is a highly inventive putdown."

Of course, what do you expect from a creative writer Harry?

Quick, choose whose side are you on; with US or THEM?

author:God, you ask? Well, I pray to the God of the SEARCH FOR PERFECT KNOWLEDGE.

You cannot be a muslim. Never. Our friend Zeemax and his side kick Tahir have said the korn is the most complete book ever writen. follow it it and you do need anything else.

Your author is a false god. You need to be educated.

So, perhaps you would FUNDAMENTALLY agree that idolators like me should be beheaded. No, maulana ji??

ah, it takes two to tango, and tahir mian and cheema sahib partnered up (wisely) a while back.

Abrar sahib, sit back and enjoy the show.

Cheema sahib, your rebuttal please? (note: Tahir's "midget on stilts" is a highly inventive put-down, I expect no less from you)

Welcome to the Roman arena Abrar Hasan!

I can see that a midget on stilts (and dressed as a gladiator) has already welcomed you. Soon you will find out who is who out at CHOWK.

The article doesn't say much. Do familarise yourself well with this terrain, if you write at this level, I assure you, the spectators will applaud you.

I'd rather see you write well and get a few marks of a man: wounds in the battle.

Stay on God's path, and never turn your back!

Regards.

.....perhaps inspired by the philosophy of Maulana Whiskey, aka Kauser Niazi????