Attack in Mohmand

#190 TehsinA
"Read his #130 which I was specifically responding to. If that is not a call to arms and getting Pakistan involved in an entirely unnecessary war then I don’t know what is."

This is his post #130 Addressed to Tahmed.
"Your dream of US troops overrunning this land (just like your cheerleading them into Iraq pre 2003 war, and nostalgically writing about the "benefits" of British colonization of India)will never come to be, the people of Pakistan will hand their a$$es to them on the border as they encroach, a fate worse than what they see in Iraq awaits them..."

I don't see any call for arms. He is talking about the US troops overrunning the country and defending the country not starting a war. I hope you don't think defending the country would be an unnecessary war. I sure will disagree with you on that.

I think you misunderstood. Btw, I should not have used the words that I used.(it is all Hamid's fault though!)

tehsin the lying khanzeer writes "Read his #130 which I was specifically responding to. If that is not a call to arms and getting Pakistan involved in an entirely unnecessary war then I don’t know what is. If he or anybody else has so much bluster then rather then swaying other innocents they should just go and do it themselves. "

Here is my #130 reproduced again:


#130 Posted by masadi on June 14, 2008 12:00:01 pm
tahmed writes "Masadi: Have you considered that your perpetual anger may be the result of fleas? "

That is a worry for sobs like you, not for people like myself. Your dream of US troops overrunning this land (just like your cheerleading them into Iraq pre 2003 war, and nostalgically writing about the "benefits" of British colonization of India)will never come to be, the people of Pakistan will hand their a$$es to them on the border as they encroach, a fate worse than what they see in Iraq awaits them...

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This is certainly not a call to arms as I even made clear when you asked me to pick up arms, I asked you not to jump the gun and let those sobs enter the graveyard before we start digging. Once attacked, my call is to defend the homeland from invading barbarians and that is all. You wrote a whole piece justifying US cross border attacks on women and children, I said given your logic and the FACT that they violate our borders and airspace much more than anything the other side does gives us similar right to do what you claim they have a right to. Don't try to save face or confuse HP who is much smarter than you are and knows exactly where I am coming from...

Re: # 186

"The large section of converts were professionals (carpenter, farmer, weaver...) and were easily fooled and/or forced."

They converted for economic reasons to avoid taxes and for physical security. The traders who possess money have some power over them played the game. The traders got converted first Islam. Then the craftsman. If today GOI declares taxes on Abrahmic legion folks and reserves 100% govt jobs and educational seats for indiginous Dharmic folks, these legions will disappear in five years.

No one needs any religion. The craftsman can get Samadhi while doing his craft with Dhyan or good focus. If the trader does the honest business he will also reach Moksha or Nirvana. The crooks need books.

#172 Posted by HP

“He has a clear understanding of who the taliban and the tribal area jihadis are and I doubt that you can find any post by him anywhere on this site supporting them.”


Read his #130 which I was specifically responding to. If that is not a call to arms and getting Pakistan involved in an entirely unnecessary war then I don’t know what is. If he or anybody else has so much bluster then rather then swaying other innocents they should just go and do it themselves.

Zeemax,
You appear to be a good marksmen. With some knowledge of the Army, Sindh Regiment has best shooters. They are Sindies. Cheerios to HP Sain.

Re: # 31
Arjun...
Means actual Talibs fled and other people sufferred!!! This is very ugly. BTW, what Paki army was doing when Talibs were crossing border?

hp mian,

...... nobody has the right to call my dear friend tehsin 'khanzeer' or anything else - it took me forty years to earn this right ! .... he is a good guy and a paki patriot even though he belongs to one of the lost tribes and has the rather annoying habit of humming off key broadway tunes ......

....now apologize to mr. tehsin, or else .......


.... i still don't understand why we have not been able to civilize these 'tribesmen' over the last sixty years ...... i can't imagine anyone wanting to live like animals if they were given half a chance ..... i know quite a few khattaks, mehsuds, afridis and bangashes who live perfectlly normal lives in karachi and new york ..... it is a pity we didn't construct any pucca buildings in miran shah and wana; now we have to blow up all those mud huts and kill these poor people like the animals that they are ......... it is a shame

Re: # 182
Jayp...
Ham... was teasing masadi...If US would have been economically better, you would have seen another Star Wars/Mahabharata like 1991 Gulf War in Pakistan...Using F-15 Strike Eagle means, Pakistani AF will not be able to prevent anything...

Guru...
Actualy, the caste system, and our complex concepts (Veda, Vedanta...) have kept majority of the people just woking people, without power of thinking outside domain. That have left enough space for misguidance. The large section of converts were professionals (carpenter, farmer, weaver...) and were easily fooled and/or forced. Dalits and these OBCs are biggest problem for current caste ridden politics. No political party (including BJP) is coming out clearly saying the truth...

#167
AH Amin's piece is objective, concise and immensely readable.

WB asks govt to withdraw wheat subsidy



By Anwar Iqbal


WASHINGTON, June 15: Nearly half of Pakistan’s 160 million people may soon be unable to buy food because of rising prices, warns the World Bank but in the same report it also advises Islamabad to withdraw subsidies on wheat, the country’s staple diet.

The bank’s latest report on global development finance also warns that Pakistan’s slower growth outcomes will compress government revenues and make further consolidation more difficult.

The policy makers will have less manoeuvrability to stave off potential effects of deterioration in the external environment.
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from dawn of today. At last the noose is tightening around that monstrocity created by TNT, Nato troops at the borders slaughtering paki troops, now the WB denying food for teh ordinary pakis..it is time that teh pak troops wonder about why they are defending teh so called borders of a hell hole.

Re: # 148

to be honest, i think an american occupation would be the best thing for pakistan ...... like iraq, we will emerge as a better and more civilized people ..... unfortunately, i don't think the american elite can be bothered to take on the burden of another 150 million ungrateful moslems and personally i would rather spend my tax money on welfare mommas .

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Well said hamid saab, iraquisation is the best that can happen to pakistan. The more people support, the quicker it will happen

Re: # 178

"You can ignore the above details but no one has thrust Upper Caste status on Sivaji's community."

For sure the alien legion thrust Dhimmi Caste status on all of us. The slaves on the plantation were more vicious to the other North escaping slaves compared to the owners. Recent converts (converts of last 800 years) are more vicious than Arabs and Angloes. You also find dhimmified higher castes more regressive ...

Re: # 107
Hurricane...
Arjun may be harsh...but can you (Pakistanis) deny the support you have provided to Jihadis to murder, loot and destroy Kashmir and Afghanistan? Be prepared for something worse. The curse of Afghans will definitely haunt you for couple of more years...

Re: # 178
Majumder...after long time...

Pavo...
It is the islamic barbarism (Aurang... was the main culprit), which had transformed a near vaishnavite movement of Sikhism into a full martial culture and you are trying to prove something!!!!
Who started Islamisation of Kashmir and how?....

Re: # 178

"Sivaji belonged to the Kunbi-Maratha caste and are considered shudras everywhere in India. No one ascribes Brahminhood or Kshatriyahood to them."

Ganga Bhatt of Kashi coronated Shivaji, giving the title GoBramhan PratiPalak... Suryawanshi descendent in line with Raam. It probably does not matter. Shivaji himself reconverted (Shuddhi Karan) of many Marathas even those in line with Satwahans and Yadavas ie Mohites and Nimbalkars from Islam. He gave his daughter's hand to such a convert. Sooo .. who are those folks entitled to give Bramhinhood or Ksharitriyahood to others. What mattered how sages and wise looked at you. Samarth Swami said about Shivaji, " Bahutansi Adharu, Nishchayacha MahMeru Janata Raja" Your deeds make you Kshatriya, Bramhin or Yuga Purush. Our Krishna born as Kshatriya was Yadava, cowheard by adoption.

Among Marathas, now their is hierarchy based on how close you are from Shivaji & his mother. 96 Kuli Maratha is that.
BTW, Maratha encompasses now Dhanagars as well. All this does not matter in new India. We need to get rid of caste even in talk.

Amin sahib,

(its hypocrisy when a low caste hindu does well and is promoted to be a high caste one as happened with sivaji.)

Sivaji belonged to the Kunbi-Maratha caste and are considered shudras everywhere in India. No one ascribes Brahminhood or Kshatriyahood to them.

They are very powerful and wealthy with very strong development indices in the states of Maharasthtra, Gujarat (Patels, Leva Patidars) and Karnataka (they constitute large chunks of the Lingayat community). Their UP, MP and Bihar equivalents (the Kurmis) are medium sized land owning farmers but classified as OBCs.

You can ignore the above details but no one has thrust Upper Caste status on Sivaji's community.

Regards