The 'One God' Religions of Revelation

Re: # 824 Pappy

"Where do you live? Jahannam? For Islamists India is the worst. do you know when are they leaving the subcontinent? Don't come to US, the best place for you is Saudi Arabia, the source of all the evil for last 1400 years."

THIS after your 'jaali' (fake) apology?

I did guess the state you're in correctly: Hysteria, USA!

Now go change the 'IN GOD WE TRUST' bit...

nkg and muradbhai

We might be talking at cross purposes.

WHATEVER good Brahmins did, or WHATEVER other good things Brahminism had, as a system of ideas, it was fundamentally discriminatory and bigoted.

Do we agree on that?

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Muradbhai, irrespective of whatever Muslims did or did not do, do you think, as a system of ideas, Islam as it was meant to be, in its original form, in the views and actions of its founder, as visualized originally, in is pristine shape, was it and is it a fundamentally discriminatory and bigoted religion?

Let me answer that partially. Any true Islamist will tell you that it no, Islam was never meant to be discriminatory and only Muslims made it so. I have no problem accepting that. One can see why an Islamist would think so. Do you agree too? How about Brahminism?

Again, nkg and murad bhai, let's forget people for now. Focus exclusively on the 'ideas', on the core 'message' itself. You don't have to. We can argue that we humans misunderstand these messages, and all and everything is right, or wrong.

Re: # 823 Pinky Baby

What is the secret? How do Indian parents allow their Guddus, Pappus, Laddus, Pinkus to grow up so confused and wasters of believers' time?

Are you talking to me Pinky Baby?

Ladduji, Do you want to add few more points to my list about credentials Murabdhai need to possess before he writes articles on Sanatan Dharma / Hinduism?

Re: # 818
"A supremacist momeen speaks for his Allah again!"

Why not, doesn't Allah speak to you sometimes when you beat up on those who love and obey him?

Re: # 817 Ladds
"Why do you even starve for 40 days?? Are you so scared of Allah? I would not starve for even an hour for Allah."

Try a minute instead and see if you feel nice!
Anyway, I was speaking to Papps but since you ask; it does not matter what you do and don't for Allah as Laddu the idolator.

So sleep well, and let me pray in peace to (you guessed it: to Allah!)

Shanti.

"As I had said before the responses to this article would make a very interesting book."

Please dont forget to send few checks my way. Good Luck!

"The same goes for ISLAM. I try to never speak of Islamic architcture, art, scripts, culture or atrocities because these were not the creations of the religion but the good and bad activities of numerous people like the Arabs, Persians, Mongols, Afghans Turks, etc."

Since you claim to be historian, do you know who were the architect of TajMahal (TejoMahal), so called Qutub Minar? Is it realistically possible for taliaban if it ever conquered midwest of USA to build Sears Towers. You will have to find how it was funded by Sears and Roebock company and the chief structural engineer of the architectural firm was a Bengali Muslim. You should also study how these monuments for deads made living peasants and workers poor. Vain Rajputs and Mughals did not see what was happening in europe at that time. May be Mughals still thought that they were foreigners in this land, and had no intention of being protector of culture of this land and well being of all citizens.

"The same can be said for Divali, Holi, Naoroz, Passover, etc. Many were honest celebrtations of spring and autumn harvests and the religious fairy tales are unnecessary."

On the first day of Diwali Narkasur was killed. When kids get up early at 4 AM and before taking bath (given by the parents) they crush with their feet symbolic Naraksur, once ego, jealosy and other mental traits which can make a family disfunctional. What is harm in such a ritual? It's not stepping on someone else rights and freedom. If you complain about pollution of all kinds due to fire crackers then you have a point. Have you done something about it?
There are similar events (may be mythical to you) with Holy, Dassahara and Muharram.

"But raking the old ashes in the present time to forment more sectarian strife is deplorable. "

But not raking the old ashes in the present time so that equal-eaual can be done between religions and dharmas to make people rootless and cultureless is a crime against humanity. It is Mao style destruction of culture. Keep it in mind that India is democracy not because of JN or JNU but because of Dharmic mooring of the Indian culture.

"I also hate the mythification of all the prophets, apostles, saints, sages, sacred dreams, etc., that have distorted the words of the founders in all religions."

What you call myths is Itihaas for us. It wets our hearts so that we can be rooted in culture. Culture is fluid. Dry intellectualization can create monsters such as effery dahmer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer and culture destroyers and brain eaters such as Romilla. In your own neck of the woods, a Bishop Cotton school graduate, Pandher, turns into a serial murderer because of rootless-ness and cultureless-ness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moninder_Singh_Pandher

The real meaning of the word will get freshly revealed to you when you become wordless.

Muradbhai,

"The practitioners of all religions did many violent and evil things in the holy name of their gods. "

All or some! Violent and evil things were done by Abrahmic religions except Judaism. You are right, Dharmas are not religions! Sanatan Dharma, Bouddha Dharma, Jaina Dharma and Sikh Dharma have not done violent and evil things in the holy name of their gods. Except in recent past Bhindranwale gave bad name to Sikh Dharma by his karnames.

Whom you might be calling ugly duckling among the ducklings of religions is actually a Dharma of a swan type.

Muradbhai,

"But please note that though I have a Muslim name I am a non practicing Muslim who does not believe in any religion."

We can not see what you practice in your mind or not. What you practice will show up in your action. I googled for your articles on this CMS, DostMitra told that you are married to a Hindu lady practicing or nonpracticing. We would know a lot about you if you answer following:

1. Did you or your wife decide to change her name to a Islamic one? Does she carry your last name? We know you are not carrying her last name.

2. What are the names of your kids? Which schools do they attend to. Do they attend Hindi medium schools where Indian culture is taught? Indian culture means Hindustani Music, Dances such as Bharat Natyam etc. Are they learning Sanskrit? Taken some effort to learn Vedic Maths? Do they regualrly visit Indian temples and historical places, even pilgrimage places suchas Prayag, Nasik (Trayambekeshwar), Rameshwar etc.? Do they participate in local Ganesh Puja, Durga Puja and ShivJayanti? Are they passionate about stopping pollution of Ganga? Can they sing Kabirs dohes?

Answers to these questons will give us an idea about where you come from. We do not want yet another foreigner tell us who we are when his own community is way below us in most of the indices of human development.

No malice intended!

Re: # 828
Ekal...
"Is Islam itself, inherently, a bigoted religion, like brahminism?"

Ans: Utter stupid...
Brahmins have contributed immense in medical science, methamatics, literature, astronomy for more than 1000 years. Bigotry does not produce such stuff. If Indian society is in shabby state today, we have to blame Budhdhist/Jain influence on Kshatriyas. It had allowed mediaval arab barbarism to spread in gangetic valley.
India had started regaining its civility after 1860-70s through series of corrective measures in Bengal (Indian edcation system owes a lot to Pundit Iswar Chandra Bandyopadhyay).

Re: # 779

My dear Eklavya, I would welcome discussions from Hindu, Muslim and other interactors. But please note that though I have a Muslim name I am a non practicing Muslim who does not believe in any religion. I love the core ideas of all religions but hate the the way the ideas of the founders were twisted by professional priests, Mullahs, Pandits, padres, etc.

I also hate the mythification of all the prophets, apostles, saints, sages, sacred dreams, etc., that have distorted the words of the founders in all religions. The practitioners of all religions did many violent and evil things in the holy name of their gods. But raking the old ashes in the present time to forment more sectarian strife is deplorable.

I also find no sanctity in the huge baggage of customs that all religions venerate. Eid and Ramzan were Arab customs long before the prophet, Christmas and Easter were Roman Pagan customs that the priests sanctified long after Jesus. The same can be said for Divali, Holi, Naoroz, Passover, etc. Many were honest celebrtations of spring and autumn harvests and the religious fairy tales are unnecessary.

You are correct that I am miserly in the use of the word HINDU because this was a shifting label over the centries. You will see how the Hindu tradition had seven distinct gear changes in my Chowk article dated September 2007. I much prefer to speak of the people and their sects at a given point of time.

The same goes for ISLAM. I try to never speak of Islamic architcture, art, scripts, culture or atrocities because these were not the creations of the religion but the good and bad activities of numerous people like the Arabs, Persians, Mongols, Afghans Turks, etc.

As I had said before the responses to this article would make a very interesting book.

#795 Eklavya

What is the porpose of this article ? Is it to prove that hinduism is not as old as it claims to be ?.... is it to date hinduism after Islam ?

European / Christian historians of last century had this mind – block… and never dated anything older than the their programmed abrahamic dates.

Two dates which sub-conciously rule these christians is 6000 years and / 2000 years. That’s their abrahamic conditionaing. Now these momammedens have one more date to work with that’s thr 7th century.

Murad is trying his best to see if he can show hinduisnm in its present form is younger then Islam .