The Cruel Expulsions

Re: # 18; quin

I see.....sir, first mistake you made is quote the Quran out of context using an unacceptable version

as Tahir sahib will shortly inform you, it is the "Special DECODED Version" by Mohammed Asad (Ukraine walley) that leads the way.....rest are invalid, along with the books of "ahadith" etc....I am reliably informed that this Bokhari character was a real charlatan and added all sorts of embarrassing stuff to discredit the true message....then comes Mohammed Asad from Ukraine in the twentieth century and all is well again

I am sure Tahir sahib will explain a lot better than I can

Regards

tahir, can't you take a joke man? where is your sense of humour.
You refer Quran and you referred one of my favourite verse (2:171) but I don't understand what you are trying to say? can you explain in your own words. Also, pl explain the matter of conscience and heart - what you are trying to say - be open and clear.
It is funny that some of sentence which comes to my mind when I am writing are inspired by verses of Quran - for example, when I said, Are you smiling and not crying? It is in Quran that they hear to it and they laugh and not cry) and here you come with verses of Quran - I don't know you at all - I have not chance to read all your postings and stuff - but I know you must be thinking a lot - but this sentimentality - this not connecting to the core of the religion, in spite of being familiar with its core - not being able to love everyone like all the big spiritualist did in the tradition of true Islam - in the tradition of the Prophet - why we can't love each other - why we don't peep in each other's heart - instead of being bogged down in theology - read Rumi, read hafiz ,read bhullay shah:
ek kisay da dil na dhaveen, rub dilaan which rahnda
I will love to hear what you meant by referring to all those verse --- show me the link and I will show you how Quran is God's love incarnated - how Prophet's agony was agony of love - as said elsewhere "Prophet accepted munafiqs in his folds" knowingly. That is true - If we want to be true Muslim - the first thing we want to learn is tolerance.

Re: # 14; tahir shaib,

can you elaborate a bit on what the "real" examples from my life would be??

Re: # 15
The major cause of heart disease is 'not following one's heart and silencing the conscience'.

Conscience is actually 'Furqaan' (the balance of right and wrong). And then there's 'hikmah' the ability to judge between good and evil.

"And so, the parable of those who are bent on denying the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it nothing but the sound of a voice and a call. Deaf are they, and dumb, and blind: for they do not use their reason. (Qur'an 2:171).

Good luck with your love-songs for now; you will graduate to higher things one day.

tahir: That is cheema’s problem. Not mine. And so what if he has not? The point is a point and I am at peace. Why to bother.
Second, it is not true that I won over those hearts without any effort. I wrote the poem. Do you know what birth pangs someone has to go through to write a poem? Just kidding ;-)
Last, I did not write it with intention of winning any hearts except 1. And that one seems un-winnable anyway. Now, are you smiling and not crying?

Re: # 8

cheemaya has not given you the 'real' apt examples of his life, or pearls of his inverted wisdom!

Quinn, you've won over the Q-cumbers' hearts without any effort!

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Paradox,

It is way more than pantax cameras of Khalifa 4 .

When he died he left expensive moveable and immovable properties in London and all over the world for his daughters and family.

When he was a young student in London then he bought a car , and he had residence in UK and he travelled across Europe and had parties and socialized with lot of people and left London without passing any Exam etc.

London is an extremely expensive city, how could he afford to live like that.

Even today Mirza family's children study in Aitchison college of Lahore , Oxford and Cambridge etc,..and Khalifa is paying their expenses from Chanda money ..

Even it is their family money still , in the beginning they took huge amounts of chanda money as interest free loans " Qarz e Hasna " and invested it in real estate and stock market etc.

Mr.Abuaddullah
Do the Ahmedis consider non-ahmedis, MUSLIM. If yes, why dont Ahmedis say namaz behind a non-Ahmedi? I am sure Ahmedis would have done the same if they were the majority. Its more an expression of power and human nature than anything else.

I remember meeting Mirza Tahir Ahmad and the interesting conversation with him. I had a ordinary camera and he told me that he has got a high end Nikon and I replied that " Hazoor you are a rich man and can afford anything". When Mirza Masroor comes to Canada he rents the best car available and at Niagra stays and the best hotel. I dont see the simple life style.Moreover during the jalsa the workers rent expensive cars to do, God knows, what duties.The kilafas should donate all their land if they want to help the poor. I know the "Murabi" sahibans sacrifice their lives but thats not fair. It should start from the top not from the bottom

I wont comment on anything else.. but as far audit is concerned.. This should be a regular exercise, as evry donnee has right fot this. Let just respect for ones faith not depreive him from his rights and dont let faith cover up corruptions.

well said akcheema and thanks for further 'humanizing' with an apt example from your life. I thought about my son who just started college and thought about those families ... we are all one ... this is such a short life, not much time even for love and we fight and fight and fight ...
Thanks Kulharee for your kind words ... pray we may do our little part in making this world a better place ... pray, we may ... pray ...

It is true that in all this "politicising" of the issues, the hopes and dreams of those affected are never considered.

They belong to families, parents, siblings, communities etc who all chip in with well wishes and support, and congratulate one another collectively on the achievements of THEIR son or daughter........we tend to simplify all this in to a crude discussion on religio-political grounds because that prevents us from "personalising" that problem and taking any ownership for it.

I remember when I got accepted at King Edward; the whole "rishteydaar" community was jubilated (and suprised at a jatt getting through, simultaneously!!)......uncles, aunties, people from our ancestoral village, you name it. It is all these hopes and aspirations that have to be "humanised" from time to time to look at the bigger picture............otherwise, what is the point to distinguish ourselves from other social great apes alive?

Kind regards

Very touching. If there are a few more good men like Mooquin Sahib, Pakistan will get thru this.

Paradox. In terms of audit. Is that a joke or what? Pakistan is the most corrupt country (or only a few places from the bottom) and you want to audit what Ahmadis do with their funds? What lavish lifestyle. Mirza Tahir Ahmad (whom I used to see daily when I lived in London) lived in a small apartment adjacent to our mosque in Wimbledon. With the chanda money, the Jamat has built over 10,000 mosques, countless schools and hospitals all over the world. Jamat Missionaries do not get paid!!! They even have to buy their own bicycle to go from village to village in Africa spreading Islam. Sure go and audit them, but make sure you don’t send your uneducated corrupt bhukay nangay rishwat-khor sarkari matrik fail auditors.

Two wrongs do not a right make. Two wrongs are still two wrongs. Tragedy is still a tragedy. Fasciasm is still fasciasm, whatever shape or form it takes, whosoever practice it.
Personally, I have no interest in political details. I react to the broken hearts and crushed hopes. I am reacting to another event in the series of events revealing the crumbled structure and torn fabric of the society. Before long ...oh, let me not say it, I dread the final dread.

You people are talking about audit of funds of Jamaat Ahmadiyya, etc. Actually it happened in the time of Zia ul Haq. He could not prove fraud of a single rupee. I do not know why are you continuing this non-sense?

If you have any objections or you think something is against law, you can go to court against Ahmadis in Rabwah etc, and I am sure the Govt. and whole public will be with you. But I am also sure you cannot prove anything mentioned in your comments.

Looks like there is a kind of protein, jealoustin, running in your blood instead of hemoglobin, which does not allow stopping your jealousy. What I can say, in words of Holy Quran, "Die in your anger."

I fully agree with Mr.Mooquin that there should be be a external audit to see how the funds are used and how much the Khalifa get payed.The lavish life style of the present and the former Khalifa's is contradictory to the islamic way of life. The Khalifa should set an example and donate all his land and money and then should ask for "chanda", not before that. Neverthe less the treatment given to ordinary Ahmedi's is not fair and should be condemned.

We totally condemn one sided expulsion decisions, however it looks like that management of PMC saved lives of bully Ahmadi students by expelling them for the time being.

Government did a god job , and vacated hostels from bullies of Jamaat e Islami and appeased anger of law less mob mentality of that black mailing society, of which Ahmadies are also an integral part.

Let us not talk too much about puppets here, let us focus on the master minds behind all these games and dramas.

Pirs and owners of Pakistan are like snakes

Owners of Ahmadiyya charity are among big fat land owning and chanda collecting cobras of Pak Land

Don't go for the smooth skin of snakes

Ask us , ask the bitten Ahmadies who are ruined by them,

They will gather confidential information about their subjects , their mureeds, their daughters , our sisters , our wives and any body who has access to their offices will have access to that information,

Gossips in offices are favourite pastime and ordinary Ahmadies are rediculed by the chosen ones..

If you protest , they will injur you with the most injurious words, and then they will slap you or spit on your face and ask you to go away from the holy city of Rabwah..

If you don't, then Ahmadi " Volunteers " , the street thugs , future aspirants of London " Rishtas " or Germany Visas will deal with you with their fists and with their sticks..

They will put arsenic of bitter words and real arsenic in the veins of any awakened dissenting Ahmadi..

If those wretched souls will go to the police station, then the reply they get is that Pakistani jurisprudence doesn't apply on Ahmadies and police station staff will use the derogatory term " Mirzai " for the oppressed Mureed and instruct the staff to contact benevolent Mirza Sahib and tell him about such Mureed..??

During 1974 assembly session , after long debates it was established from Ahmadiyya literature that Ahmadiyya leadership consider all other Muslims as infidel Kafirs.

There was no option left for the parliament to either accept Ahmadies as owners of Muslim Pakistan or declare them non Muslims.

That decision was just a cosmetic decision to appease bully Mullahs and we Ahmadies could still consider ourselves as Muslims ,..

Even today, we observe Army colonels coming to Ahmadiyya mosques for Juma Prayers in their uniforms and in their Military Jeeps.

People of Pakistan are simple and vulnerable, hence big bullies like Tablighi Jamaat , Jamaat Islami and Jamaat Ahmadiyya try to get new converts and new recruits..

In Pakistani Campuses, Ahmadies live like gangs and they always try to have separate special residences and special treatments.

Otherwise they blackmail that government of Pakistan will be humiliated , defamed and blamed through atheist or liberal well wishers and global friends of Ahmadiyya community.

Such people support Jamaat e Ahmadiyya just because of the hate of " Muslim Mullah " , as Muslim Mullah always objected to their liberal free trade plans for the vulnerable communities of this world.

If we go to Sind, then we observe extremely vicious treatment ,which " harees " , Peasants or tenants receive at the " Jagirs ", God gifted Lands and territories of Muslim Pirs etc.

Same 2 dollar daily wage slave kind of treatment we observe at the lands of Mirzas and chosen Clergymen of Ahmadiyya Jamaat.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat is registered as a non profit charity and first requirment of law is that Charity will not take part in politics.

2nd important requirment is that the Chief executive , The Khalifa will be elected by board of governors instead of Allah.

3rd and the most important requirment is that all financial activities will have to be audited and all memebers of the Charity and all tax paying citizens of that country will receive detailed information about money received and expenditures of that charity.

Brilliant!