Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis

Salim (#199),

You continue to characterize Ahmadis as “enemies of Islam” … but fail to validate this. Your empty rhetoric reflects poorly on you.

You cite facts selectively. You insist that Osama does not define Islam … but kulharee’s comments are enough to paint all Ahmadis with a wide brush. Note that Ahmadi-Muslims have utmost respect for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), but you continue to ignore this. What does this say about your double standards?

My interpretation of kulharee’s comments is based upon his own clarification … when I asked him to reevaluate his approach. I stand by my earlier assertion. Ummah’s behavior matches that of Abu Jehal and his stooges; Ahmadi-Muslims are walking in the footsteps of early Muslims. Deal with this however you choose to.

Merely claiming that “Qadianis are evil” is lame. You’ll need more than rhetoric, I am afraid. Your post is full of hot air and no substance. And this is a grave tragedy with ummah at large.
(sigh)

#198 Posted by sattar2 on June 24, 2008 11:41:43 am
Salim (#196),

By your criterion, the world should remain indebted to Osama for opening their eyes to real Islam. So don’t complain if Muslims get demonized as violent jihadis across the world. It is a race to the bottom … and the ummah is wining!

Kulharee is playing you like a banjo and you are responding in a predictable, immature manner. And this proves his point! My take is that … by the 7th century camel’s ass prophet that the ummah is following … he is referring to Abu Jehal. If that’s the case, I fully agree with the analogy, though not with his choice of words.

Unfortunately it is the ummah that is getting the broomstick treatment. Stop obsessing over Ahmadis and open your eyes to ground realities, you fool."}

Sattar Sahib,
I have been quite polite in our discussion; I request some reciprocity from you, sir. I just want to know what you enemies of Islam used for fuel for the 1400 years before Osama made his debut? If the world demonizes Muslims for the rhetoric and actions of UBL, there is a justifiable reason for that. Anytime, anyone uses Islam as a pretext for his/her behavior, people have a right to question the motives. It's up to mainstream Muslims to understand, categorize, and then either approve such behavior or condemn it outright. It is a fact that most mainstream Muslims have openly refuted Alkayda and its tactics.

Your peculiar interpretation of Kulharee's "camel's ass" profanity makes you an apologist for this blasphemer and is further evidence of Qadianis providing cover for each other - sometimes even playing good cop/bad cop to confuse the real issues.

My eyes are open and I will do my best to counter the evil that Qadianis have tried to spread to harm Islam, the Holy Prophet (PBUH), and the cause of Muslims. It is not a coincidence that on almost every issue affecting Muslims, the Qadianis seem to side with the enemies of Islam.

Salim (#196),

By your criterion, the world should remain indebted to Osama for opening their eyes to real Islam. So don’t complain if Muslims get demonized as violent jihadis across the world. It is a race to the bottom … and the ummah is wining!

Kulharee is playing you like a banjo and you are responding in a predictable, immature manner. And this proves his point! My take is that … by the 7th century camel’s ass prophet that the ummah is following … he is referring to Abu Jehal. If that’s the case, I fully agree with the analogy, though not with his choice of words.

Unfortunately it is the ummah that is getting the broomstick treatment. Stop obsessing over Ahmadis and open your eyes to ground realities, you fool.

#195 Posted by Kulharee on June 23, 2008 8:06:46 pm
{"...Chuhay, ...Your brain is still stuck in 6th century Arabia, and you think like a monkey. I believe that my prophet of Allah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad came to reform Islam, ... Trust me, Ahmadis are not going to believe in garbage like Jesus coming down on a broomstick and landing in Damascus."}

Mr. Kulharee,
If you do not seek immediate and expert attention for your Tourette Syndrome affliction, rest assured that someday someone is going to find a more suitable use for that broomstick and it might get very painful for you. Shalom!

#193 Posted by sattar2 on June 23, 2008 4:40:34 pm

Salim (#190),

You are getting too obsessed with kulharee. ... Your view is childish and based on insecurities. Ahmadi-Muslims are not your problem. Ummah’s problem are goons like Osama, zeemax, and Urstruly … all too bent on blowing others up. Open your eyes, you idiot! Like I said, in some ways you used to be an intelligent man …"}

Sattar Sahib,
I have about as "thick a skull" and am as much an "idiot" as your Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is a "prophet" of Allah. Just because you pontificate something doesn't automatically make it accurate.

I am, however, indebted to Mr. Kulharee for opening my eyes regarding the "innocence" of the Qadianis. You may consider him an idiot and an embarrassment, but to many Muslims like me, he has decisively explained why the Government and people of Pakistan were justified in declaring the Qadianis to be non-Muslim.

Thank you for discussing this issue with me.

Sattar Sahib, shouldn’t the arguments between you and Salim Chuha not involve me? I can clarify my position directly to him as good as anyone else. There is no need to do it on my account.

Chuhay, do you have any pressing questions that you need to ask other than your hollow “respect” rhetoric? Your brain is still stuck in 6th century Arabia, and you think like a monkey. I believe that my prophet of Allah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad came to reform Islam, and you don’t have to believe in that, but do not tell us what we can and what we wont believe in. Trust me, Ahmadis are not going to believe in garbage like Jesus coming down on a broomstick and landing in Damascus. That’s the stupidest belief. If you want to believe in garbage like that, that’s not our problem.

Re: # 189; Tahir, the Asadite writes:
[[YOU come from a village, you've said it yourself you Bradford 'paindoo'!]]

The pind's name is Manchester NOT Bradford; not every Pakistani in Britain lives in Bradford

I was referring to my ancestoral pind near Lyallpur (currently named after a late Saudi King) in the post you are referring to (as stated there too!)

btw; How did you know the term 'the village idiot' was meant to be for you?.....like I said before, your intelligence knows no bounds sir for figuring little detail like that!

Salim (#190),

You are getting too obsessed with kulharee. Also, you are trying too hard too extrapolate his comments on Ahmadi-Muslim beliefs. Step back and get a grip, for god’s sake.

1. Ahmadi-Muslims hold Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in utmost respect, as the most honorable, most exalted prophet of Allah Almighty, ever. You need to get this through your thick skull. Furthermore, what kulharee writes is his business; you should check with him and not with me.

2. If a “them vs. us” context exists in the head of an Ahmadi, it is his problem, not mine. Kulharee may be an idiot … and your obsession with him reflects more poorly on you.

3. Writings of Mirza Sahib, Ahamdi-Muslim beliefs, our khalifaa and entire jamaat, and each and every Ahmadi-Muslim that I’ve ever come across … all have complete and uncompromising respect for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) … second only to Allah Almighty Himself. So I am not sure what “Qadiani circles” you are referring to.

4. Salim MiaN, what’s with this obsession with Kulharee? He is pushing your buttons and you are totally losing it!

And lastly, there’s nothing “bad” in associating prophets after Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). If Allah can raise a prophet, I can (should!) surely accept him. Your view is childish and based on insecurities. Ahmadi-Muslims are not your problem. Ummah’s problem are goons like Osama, zeemax, and Urstruly … all too bent on blowing others up. Open your eyes, you idiot! Like I said, in some ways you used to be an intelligent man …

...and here is Mr. Kulharee's reaction to my post #190. He posted his comment on my ilog:

Posted by Kulharee on Monday June 23, 2008 02:59 pm

Fuck you Mr. Chuhay and a lot of 6th century Arbi Camel lovers.

#173 Posted by Ranger8117 on June 21, 2008 3:09:04 am

{"Salim you a$$hole, where were you all these days ? Why are you avoiding unplugged?"}

Gujju,
I had taken some time off to address personal and work-related business. While I was away, I noticed that there was no point in exchanging nonsense with people on Unplugged.

You will be pleased to note that right-wing Muslim-hating and Paki-bashing Indians have taken over Chowk UP with the ardent support of some very pusillanimous spineless Injun-bum licking Paki minions.

Now, let's cheer for the Turks to make some Wienerschnitzels. :)

#175 Posted by sattar2 on June 21, 2008 5:44:16 am
{"Kulharee ...
I personally think you play with words but don’t mean anything nasty about the Prophet (pbuh); you probably do it just to annoy the ummah. This is not a good idea … as it creates ill will ... which translates into more persecution of Ahmadi-Muslims. That’s my 2 cents; I hope you’ll rethink."}



#184 Posted by Kulharee on June 22, 2008 12:34:37 pm

{"Nazi ki aulad, until you get our names rights, until you put Nabee Allah in front of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmadi (the leader of all Payghambers, and second only to Allah) until you address us with respect that we deserve, I refuse to entertain your silly stupid questions that you took out of a stupid 6th century Arbi camel's butthole (where your other beliefs also came out of)..."}

Sattar Sahib,
Despite your persistent and sensible advice to the contrary, Mr. Kulharee is adamant on continuing his insults against Our Holy Prophet (PBUH). In light of this obvious propensity to blasphemy, one must ask the following questions:

1. While Mr. Kulharee may not represent the entire community of the followers of the Qadiani religion, he is more than just a crackpot. He has written articles about the Qadiani religion and is the most ardent and vocal advocate for Qadiani rights on Chowk. Therefore, does he belong to a peculiar sect of Qadianis who condone the most vulgar and profane insults against Our Holy Prophet (PBUH)?

2. If Mr. Kulharee's tendency is to retaliate for abuse against Mirza Ghulam Ahmed with an immediate insult to Our Holy Prophet (PBUH), isn't it fair to say that in the "THEM VS US" context, at least for some Qadianis, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed belongs to Qadianis and The Holy Prophet (PBUH) belongs to Muslims?

3. If Mr. Kulharee so easily resorts to insulting the Holy Prophet (PBUH), isn't it fair to conclude that, at least in some Qadiani circles, it is permissible to resort to that type of vulgarity against the most sacred person in Islam?

4. Given these facts and defining Muslims as those who follow the religion of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), isn't it obvious that even some Qadianis, of the type or sect represented by Mr. Kulharee, do not consider themselves to be Muslims or followers of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)?

It is bad enough to associate false "prophets" after Our Holy Prophet (PBUH), but to defile the sacred name of the founder of Islam is tantamount to provoking Muslims and taunting them to do something about it. May Allah have mercy on the Qadianis for their blasphemous, insidious, treacherous, and treasonous behavior.

Re: # 188 oye cheemaya
YOU come from a village, you've said it yourself you Bradford 'paindoo'!

Pathetic! Trying to win sympathy from unbelieving 'chamchas'!

Re: # 187; chalta mian

I am currently working on this project....needless to say it is time for a 'final solution' to the village idiot's problems!

btw...read # 186 too

Hahhahahah tahari cites circular argument...hahahahah....allah is the god and mohammed is the prophet of allah it says so in the quran...and quran is the word of allah because it says so in the quran...hahahaha talk about circular arguments. Sala chutiya!

Re: # 184; Kulharee

I replied to naqshbandi sahib on another board recently, when he was equally as aggrieved by the silly arguments (?) of this moron. For your information, and the information of the village idiot himself, I copy and paste my response here for all to see. Here it is in parentheses:

[naqshbandi sahib (Cc: Tahir Gul Hasan...the Asadite),

I see your distress and it pains me sir. I'd tell you a couple of very short stories to make the point I am going to make and it'd also clarify the position and status of your interlocutor in # 73.

Once upon a time in a place called Qadian, a man called Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was born (13th Feb, 1835 to be precise). Whilst growing up, he became increasingly dis-enchanted with the faith of his ancestors and in due course started a movement to attempt to reform this faith. This movement was called the "ahmaddiya movement in Islam" and it was launched in 1889. Subsequently, as it happens in matters of a religious bend, this message (along with Mirza sahib himself) got increasingly distorted and we have the current issues with having to declare them a heresy (initially) with subsequent ex-communication from the fold as we know it.

Second story goes like so. There was born in the land of (initially) Poland (place called Lwow) which is now called Lviv (and part of present day Ukraine) a man called Leopold Weiss, into a Hasidic Jewish family. He became increasingly dis-enchanted with the faith of his ancestors and subsequently adopted a new faith called Islam and changed his name to Mohammed Asad. He travelled extensively within the muslim world and saw first hand the plight of the people adherent to his new faith. He was also not happy with many aspects of this new faith and wrote a book called "message of the Quran" in the English language, inspired no doubt by the very original straight from "Loh-e-Mahfouz"....He perhaps had no intention of this but as these things evolve, started an almost new heresy within Islam. Hence his book was banned in the Kingdom (Islamdon) of Saudi Arabia, amongst other parts of the muslim world. He attracted some followers, nevertheless.

Moral: Upto the reader of the two stories written above.

As for the Conclusion; it is as follows:

The followers pf the former (MGAQ) are called "Ahmadis (Ahmadites)" or "Qadianis", after his place of birth; and the off-shoot faith is labelled as "Ahmadiyyat" or "Qadiyaniat".

By the same token, we call the followers of the latter heresy "Asadis (Asadites)" or perhaps "Ukrainis(?)" and the heresy itself can be called "Asadism" or "Ukrainism".

I hope this clarifies Tahir sahib's position for you.....whatever he may be, wahabbi he is not!

Question remains, does he remain a muslim by asserting that God's word was "incomplete" or "incomprehensable to the Ajami musalman" without Mohammed Asad's intervention! He is also on record here known to disregard "Ahadith" as a source of guidance on matters of a religious nature...therefore denying us of an important souce of history, not to mention an elaboration of the life (and lifestyle) of our Holy Prophet.

Perhaps you can decide whether we should believe "the Word of God" or "the Word of Mohammed Asad"!!]

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