Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis

Re: # 51
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....including the current board we are on.....so it wasn't so much getting off the topic, as it were

looks like the Ummah has always cried blue murmer for a messiah....Jinnah didn't live long enough....the others also managed to screw us big time

all we could do is say,

"ba'ad az khuda buzurg tui, qissa mukh'tasir"!! to every f...ing single one of them!

what losers we are Yasser Sahib

#41 Posted by MantoLives on June 17, 2008 4:19:54 am


However you may also go to the Darul Itfa of Darul Uloom Deoband (Gandhi's favorite boys) and read their fatwas against Ahmadis.


And yet ahmadis aren't non-muslims in India...

so Gandhi's bigotry is put into practice in pakiland
fatwas from indian madrassahs are put into practice in pakiland

now jinnah didn't want ahmadis apostatized....so it seems jinnah's idea are practiced in india and gandhi's ideas are practiced in pakiland...

The only piece of evidence (Stanley Wolpert's report in the Time) in relation to who started the violence was given by me. You on the other hand claimed that since more Muslims were killed and Sardar Patel gloated at the fact automatically means it was the Congress that started it. Is the number of casualties proof of who started it?

Re: # 48

I have no idea what your status as a Non-Ahmedi Muslim accepting Ahmadis rights to call themselves anything has to do with this discussion. This is not the only board this issue has been discussed... and if you were to visit some of the other boards like Pakistaniat etc... you would find most Pakistani Non-Ahmadi Muslims in favor of Ahmadis' rights ... it is just that chowk is humble abode of freaks.

As for religion blah blah... we have discussed this issue to death but Pakistan was not a country founded in the name of religion... it was founded in the name of group rights. Had Jinnah been any less of a statesman he would have - like many "great" Indian Muslim leaders ... preferred to be on the "right side" of Mahatma instead of doing something for his people.

And 50 or 60 years are nothing in the life of a nation. Perhaps in 1850s you would be questioning the founding of the US because the SC refused to accept black people as citizens (under dredd scott decision).

We all know Congress carried out the slaughter of Muslims in Calcutta.

We all, as in Yasser and family? Because otherwise there is absolutely no evidence to contradict the fact that the Direct Action was called for by Jinnah and that Suhrawardy had given the police a holiday so ML goons could have a free rein. Even your favorite, Stanley Wolpert reported that it was Muslims who had started the violence?

How many times must you be shamed with evidence?

Evidence that it wasn't Jinnah who called for Direct Action?

just to clarify...the ahmedi/non-ahmedi statement was a hangover from at least three (possibly four) recent articles on chowk

Khuda Hafiz

Oh come on... so you can't defend racist Gandhi... you have to lie about and abuse Jinnah? We all know Congress carried out the slaughter of Muslims in Calcutta. How many times must you be shamed with evidence?

Stay on the topic... Gandhi's racism.

#46 by MantoLives

A 45 year old Indian Mahatma goes around calling Black people subhuman for many years... Then he doesn't have the grace to accept that he was wrong.

If a much older Jinnah calls for Direct Action that leads to the killing of thousands of Hindus and Muslims doesn't have the grace to apologize, how do you expect a 45 year old Mahatma to apologize for something he had done much earlier in his life?

Re: # 43

I'd only like to say this that perhaps I am so far the only non-ahmedi muslim on this forum who accepts the rights of ahmedis to call themselves what they damn well desire.......some country you have Yasser mian!

what did Jinnah think when he decided to work for craeting a state "in the name of religion"?? a statesman of the stature you claim him to be should have had some idea of the psychology of the people he was pretending to lead!

I have nothing more to say .....at this particular time

Khuda Hafiz

Re: # 37
Manto...
"Other Gandhian Statements that we need to consider...

'Sanghtan is a really sound movement. Every community is entitled,
indeed bound to organize itself as a seperate entity' : Mahatma Gandhi...."

Though, I do not like Gandhi much, but this is very good view. Indian society prospered is through this social model for 1000s of years. Now, suddenly demonising caste system is very stupid...


BJ2...
The bone of contention is whether Muhammed or Ahmed was last prophet...If you feel both are persons and some segments prefer Muhammed over Ahmed, then the problem will go. Muhammed was never a resident of present day Pakistan and have nothing positive contribution to that land ( any evidence you have, please state that). Then why to fight with such silly matter?

Re: # 44

A 45 year old Indian Mahatma goes around calling Black people subhuman for many years... Then he doesn't have the grace to accept that he was wrong. I would imagine that it is not slender evidence.


AKCheema,

It is true that none of what Lincoln said even comes close to Gandhi's racism which in any event was much more rooted in "Indo-Aryan superiority" of the kind Adolf Hitler ascribed to.

But Lincoln never really claimed otherwise either. He was a white president of a white country whose issue was with slavery and not really race relations.

Re: # 43; Yasser
[[And yes ... Lincoln's racism is now an accepted fact]]

misrepresention of the truth again sir

for the record, Lincoln was NOT a racist but well ahead of his times; just not ahead enough for OUR likings

#40 by akcheema

Also, this was from very early on in Gandhi's "political career"....I call it deliberately distorting the truth.

Cheema bhai, this is what I and many others have pointed out too. But I guess the balance of Yasser's entire thesis hangs on this slender bit of "evidence".

AKcheema,

You can go on saying whatever you wish... however Gandhi and Adolf Hitler were contemporaries... we abuse Hitler for holding the same view but let the great Mahatma off the hook?

And yes ... Lincoln's racism is now an accepted fact... though it does not compare to what Gandhi said and did.

And if you think all this was "early on" in Gandhi's political career, surely you can find a single apology from the casteist freak in any time after this ...

As for this myth that poor idiots like BJ and others wish to create about Jinnah... Ian Bryant Wells recently published a book in India on Jinnah which very succinctly blew to pieces the "elitist myth".

Re: # 39; arjun mian,

they are all deluded frogs not capable of looking beyond their teeny weeny wells

Because my dear friend ...the great man who wrote your constitution B R Ambedkar hated Gandhi.. and deliberately kept Gandhuism out of the constitution. You may read ICA debates.

However you may also go to the Darul Itfa of Darul Uloom Deoband (Gandhi's favorite boys) and read their fatwas against Ahmadis.