Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis

Blind Chuhay, giving lip service to Mohammad is not really showing him respect, but fighting for injustice against minorities is a much bigger respect you can show to him. You are just an idiot brainwashed monkey without a clue. Here we have a community being persecuted, students being expelled because of their beliefs, and all idiots like you can worry about is, oh but they don’t show respect to our prophet. Jackass. Here, here's a little respect for your prophet.

#108 Posted by jang on June 17, 2008 2:31:00 pm
{"yar salim, the quadianis were recruiting from muslims. IF they started with disclaimer that they were proposing something which is not islam, they would not have gotten very far at all, so they chose this approach imo. it is very dangerous for folks to leave islam or porpose leaving islam."}

Jang,
Very good point about the disinformation perpetrated by the Qadiani leaders. If they openly and upfront informed confused Muslims about their beliefs regarding their "prophet" Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and their license to be profane, vulgar, lewd, and disrespectful about Our Holy Prophet (PBUH), I doubt that they would be getting many supporters among Muslims. They deliberately present themselves as a reformist movement (the so-called Ahmadiya Movement in Islam). Very few Muslims want to be out of the mainstream of Islam - and not all of us are afraid of the unpleasant consequences to which you are obviously alluding.

Jang, I can leave Islam anytime I want to and there will be no consequence. It's only trouble-seeking cartoonists, profiteering mediocre novelists, and "in your face" Islamophobes who run into the unpleasant consequences.

{"#132 Posted by Kulharee on June 18, 2008 3:14:00 pm "}

{"Mr. Blind Chuhay, here's my latest vulgarity, profanity, and very lewd statements about YOUR and YOURS alone Holy Prophet (PBUH). It is on UP, and I have started many more. Please be nice to me. Thanku."}

Kulharee,
Please learn to be respectful. If you cannot control your Tourette Syndrome issue, please seek some professional assistance. Your profanity against the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is despicable and renders you as the least attractive poster boy for Qadiani causes. I don't understand the relevance of your nonsense regarding your reference to some debate on Chowk UP. I do not interact in that sewer you call your second home.

#107 Posted by Publius on June 17, 2008 2:20:09 pm
Salim_chauhan,

{"I hope you will allow that there are differences of opnion on what and what does not constitute disinformation about Islam(even when some opinions may be more objective). The question is how to handle those differences ? In other words if a Qadiani thinks that his view of Islam is correct and if somebody disagrees then how is this difference to be resolved or handled ?"}

Dear Publius,
It's very easy to handle these differences. The Qadianis' belief in their "prophet" is a direct rejection of Islam's second most important statement of faith. Therefore, the Qadianis constitute a separate religion and are certainly entitled to all the rights and privileges of a religious minority. They must stop insisting that they are a "sect" of Islam. Almost ALL believing Muslims would reject them as members of the Muslim community. There has never been and there is no difference of opinion among Muslims when it comes to the position of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) as the FINAL Messenger of God.

{"Should it be resolved by the state, by the Government imposing what is considers to be the right view or should this be left to be resolved at the level of individuals i.e any individual is free to believe that Qadianis are not true muslims, just as another individual is free to believe that they are.

If you think the state should impose it's view then does it not follow that the state has the right to impose religious views on the population at large and is that not a recipe for endless religious conflict ?( which is why the separation of church and state was first invented). "}

Publius (somehow I feel that I am having this dialogue with Kaal Bhayya LOL),

Separation of church and state is a very handy excuse that western authorities have used to their advantage - depending on the situation. Of course, it is a very useful tool with which to attack the "extremist theocracies" rampant in the Muslim world.

Israel is considered a secular democracy in most western circles - let's not worry about their laws and practices that suppress Palestinians (both Christians and Muslims), confiscate land for Jewish causes, allow only Jews from anywhere to immigrate to Israel, and the list goes on ...

The U.S. is a secular democracy - let's not worry about the Xmas holiday, Sunday holiday, national Christmas tree, "In God we Trust," and other trivial matters. The ban on polygamy, a hundred years after the founding of the nation, was instituted merely to counter Mormon religious sentiments and practices.

We all know about the Queen being the head of the Anglican Church, the continuing validity of the Catholic Inquisition, and various laws in India concerning cow slaughter and other religious edicts.

The question of whether Qadianis are Muslims or not Muslims is not a trivial one. Never in the history of Islam have Muslims experienced an internal attack on the person and stature of Our Holy Prophet (PBUH). Muslim reformers have come and gone, but none felt the selfish need to be exalted to the position of "Prophet." This importance attached to the lowly title of "messenger" was only made possible because of Our Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). This humble man (PBUH) was so loved by his followers that they elevated his lowly title of "messenger" into what we hold as the highest attainment possible by a human being. Certainly, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is neither deserving nor worthy of such supreme affection and respect.

As for Pakistan passing laws declaring Qadianis to be non-Muslims, this action was taken by a democratically elected legislature and enforced by a democratically elected government. Passing such laws was a much better alternative to fighting the issue in the streets of Punjab with the obvious result of Qadianis placing second in such violent contests. A nation can certainly pass legislation for the greater good of the country - peace and harmony. I think that the US, UK, India, and other countries have enacted laws against terrorism that have been loosely interpreted to trample religious rights.

Mr. Blind Chuhay, here's my latest vulgarity, profanity, and very lewd statements about YOUR and YOURS alone Holy Prophet (PBUH). It is on UP, and I have started many more. Please be nice to me. Thanku.

"Manto's article was published by "Chowk" since manto all of a sudden feared "persecution", after years of being an openly First Mirzaee of Chowk. His article created a dramatic effect by insinuating that all mirzaees in pakistan were in hiding for fear of their safety and that their only outlet was through webforums, where they were sending their articles through secret means. All this because 15 mirzaees were expelled from a university!! Even mullahs have not gone into hiding after a few thousand of them have been expelled from this world

Since mirzaees are now copying zionist dramatic propaganda for maximum effect, here are a few more suggestions on what they should do next:

1- Make a movie called "Dhindsa's List", which would be on the same theme as Schindler's List. The plot would be about how an editor of an anonymous web forum saved 6 million mirzaees in Pakistan

2- Another movie, "The Tabalchi", which would have the same theme as The Pianist. Basically it would tell the horrors of the Bahawalpur Concentration Camp in Pakistan where mirzaees were incarcerated

3- A book "Ghulam Ahmed's Diary", which would have the same theme as Anne Frank's Diary. It would tell the story of a mirzaee boy's experiences of growing up in a country of Sunni Nazis

I can already see a Booker prize and a few Oscars"

#121 Posted by bubba on June 18, 2008 8:43:04 am
{"And neither does kulharee, in this caricature that you are implying about him. Taking things out of context is a very old trick of those who come from the middle east."}

Mr. Bubba,
Would you like to see the evidence? There are literally many many threads and posts by Mr. Kulharee that include vulgarity, profanity, and very lewd statements about Our Holy Prophet (PBUH). There is no issue of "out of context" whatsoever. But of course, you are simply trying to fish in troubled waters and there is no point in convincing you of any rational points.

Haideri Sahib, he is not a sick man, he is a sick pig, brainwashed at birth.

Tahir,

"There is Q-cumbers on this anti-Islam site' S-board. God curse it all in the stinking wells of Rabwah."

This is what you said in German...According to a wiseman in Punjabi

"Kanwan Day Akahy Toor nayee marday"

haideri

Tahir,

You are a very sick man.

haideri

Tahir,

You are a very sick man.

haideri

#119 Chuhya, somehow I find that very hard to believe. No Ahmadi will make friends with someone who curses the wives of the Prophet. Can you categorically state that you respect all wives of the Prophet? Hypocrite.

#125 Nazi ki aulad, go and suck on your prophet Adolph.

Re: # 82

Its time to switch to what the 'real' sponsors of Q-cumbers understood well around WWII:

Ja gibt es Q-cumbers auf diesem Anti-Islam site' s-Brett. Gottfluch sie alle in den stinkenden Brunnen von Rabwah.

Gute Nacht

Re: # 48 oye cheemaya

"I am so far the only non-ahmedi muslim on this forum who accepts the rights of ahmedis to call themselves what they damn well desire"

And soon you'll be one of the Q-cumbers.

They WILL have their representative knock on your door soon...

Ah....how your parents will hate what you write here?

Re: # 5
Punk, New Yorker, head-banger, Axeman,

"Majority of Pakistani don’t give two damns about who the last prophet or the last goddess is..."

If you count a few odd thousand Q-cumbers as 'majority', what can I say except, RETURN TO LISTENING TO DEATH METAL very very LOUD until it blows out your few left-over brain cells....

PS: we do care who came last. It wasn't MGAQ for sure...

Ahmedis you are saying 2+2 is Char in Punjabi. But the answer needs to be in Arabic. So you have a F. Learn how the Kiss Hank's Ass relearn religion by jumping in a Kunwa.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8YAWq89kYHw&OBT_fname=8YAWq89kYHw

Re: # 119 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 18, 2008 8:21:20
am

Salim,

[Of course, either they are more civilized than you or perhaps they belong to another sect of Qadianis who do not believe in hurling insults, profanity, abuse, and filthy comments about Our Holy Prophet (PBUH).]

You are incorrect. I have never met any Qadiani who say things that you accuse all qadianis of in one of your earlier post. You just play with words and in this case, it is you who has thrown the first insult.

[My main reason for having contempt for the Qadiani faith is your frequent and despicable manner of insulting, cursing, and ridiculing My Holy Prophet (PBUH). I do not think that most Qadianis agree with you in your awful and uncivilized behavior.]

And neither does kulharee, in this caricature that you are implying about him. Taking things out of context is a very old trick of those who come from the middle east.