Ather Naqvi June 17, 2008
#54 Posted by SupersizeMe on June 24, 2008 6:55:26 am
Oh! Karzai speaks? Really? Silly me, I thought he was a deaf-dumb-mute- dummy who merely stands, waves his hands every so often and painstakingly smiles an ever so constipated smile.
I'm actually surprised he has so much 'life', such passion within him to speak so ill of his neighbour, a neighbour who has actually been pretty kind to his people!
This is madness, what next? Life on mars? Oh wait.. that's already happened too!
I'm actually surprised he has so much 'life', such passion within him to speak so ill of his neighbour, a neighbour who has actually been pretty kind to his people!
This is madness, what next? Life on mars? Oh wait.. that's already happened too!
#53 Posted by KHYBER on June 24, 2008 6:13:06 am
Genicide of Pakhtuns
One more time bourgeois and elite of Jinnah’s Pakistan are trying to keep Pakhtuns backward and keep them in the dark, the terrorist attacks by bunch of cowards who hide their faces or hide themselves in Burqa are killing innocent Pakhtuns. We Pakhtuns the Aryan nation, with Greek blood running in our veins and have jewish background are victims of conspiracy against Pakhtuns and it is shame for our Pakhtun so called leaders and ANP that they are silent. We need Bacha Khan and Wali Khan. Paktuns genocide started when former hateful military dictator Zia welcomed Afghan refugees, these refugees were imposed on people of Pakhtunistan, Zia and his masters also welcomed Osama and his cronies and turned Paktunistan into so called Jihad training ground against former Soviet Union, The refugee camps were places to which the Mujahideen could return for rest and to see their families. Now these well trained so called mujahideens and Osama and his company who are hiding in Rat holes, and their agents are attacking schools, music centers, security forces and killing poor and innocent Pakhtuns. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban were not the product of Pakhtuns but have been elevated to the position by others. Talibans were created by ISI, Pakhtuns are peaceful people, Bacha Khan spent decades in jail for demanding the rights of his people but remained non-violent. This proves that Pakhtuns are not involve in these suicide attacks but they are agents of Osama, who are killing Pakhtuns. Pakistani establishment kept our tribal areas backward and never tried to introduce education and did nothing for progress of tribal areas aggressively. Having been a part of invincible Afghanistan for centuries, it is a shame for a ruling and historic nation like Pakhtuns to live in a state that has given nothing to them – not even a name to their region but has looted everything from them except their sense of pride and honor. It is against the psyche of Pakhtuns to buy submission at the cost of freedom and compromise on their honor by not retaliating against any aggression. The people in the tribal belt and Pakhtuns are totally innocent and they have no idea whatsoever about Al-Qaeda which had been based in the past in cities like Rawalpindi due to the ISI headquarters. Thugs of Punjab are talking about ,’’PURHA LIKHA PUNJAB’’, while so called religious extremists are blowing schools in Pakhtunistan under the umbrella of MMA Mullahs regime of Paktunistan, Cruel and hateful dictator Zia had a personal stragedy to prolong his unconstitutional oppressive military rule, he raised Islam’s slogan, welcomed Afghan refugees, got millions of dollars from West for fighting against Soviet union, like every Pakistani ruler, he ignored safety and security of Pakhtuns. Zia is responsible for the start of Pakhtuns genocide. All current day sectarian and militant groups including Mahajir Qaumai Movement (MQM) and top of them all the Al-Qaeda were fabricated in Zia regime by ISI. Terrorism is an Arab reactionary phenomenon. Neither Afghans across the Durand line nor Pakhtuns ever approved of it in the past. Its amazing that present Mush regime can arrest terrorists, if they attack outside Pakhtunistan but can’t arrest anyone if these attacks happen in Pakhtun’s region. The genocide of the Pakhtuns must stop. Pakhtun nationalist parties are ignoring the genocide of Pakhtoons,it seems they don’t care. They are not just interested. If they don't then Pakhtuns will forget about the ANP and do their own things. I don' t deny the services of ANP for Pakhtuns, however now that a war has been imposed upon us in the name of Islam, Leadership of ANP and other progressive groups should wake up and read the writing on the wall. On the other hand corrupt politicians of Pakistan never denounced these suicide attacks, these politicians are struggling and fighting for getting seat of power in Islamabad but are ignoring the sufferings of poor people of Pakhtunistan who are facing suicide attacks and Pakhtuns kids are afraid to go to schools, if these so called militants love Islam that much then why don’t they try to close down HEERA MUNDI of Lahore, ofcourse they will not because mullahs are getting paid from mafia bosses of Lahore Heera Mundi. Terrorist mullahs of LAL MASJID are also responsible for killing innocent Pakhtuns during military raid a few months ago, Pakhtuns student were used as human shield at lal masjid. Suicide attacks are horrific acts of genocide similar in psychotic madness as to what surged through the veins of Hitler. Ze chi pe mayeen yum da agha pukhtunistan de.Tul de ve Pakhtunistan.
Mwaqar
One more time bourgeois and elite of Jinnah’s Pakistan are trying to keep Pakhtuns backward and keep them in the dark, the terrorist attacks by bunch of cowards who hide their faces or hide themselves in Burqa are killing innocent Pakhtuns. We Pakhtuns the Aryan nation, with Greek blood running in our veins and have jewish background are victims of conspiracy against Pakhtuns and it is shame for our Pakhtun so called leaders and ANP that they are silent. We need Bacha Khan and Wali Khan. Paktuns genocide started when former hateful military dictator Zia welcomed Afghan refugees, these refugees were imposed on people of Pakhtunistan, Zia and his masters also welcomed Osama and his cronies and turned Paktunistan into so called Jihad training ground against former Soviet Union, The refugee camps were places to which the Mujahideen could return for rest and to see their families. Now these well trained so called mujahideens and Osama and his company who are hiding in Rat holes, and their agents are attacking schools, music centers, security forces and killing poor and innocent Pakhtuns. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban were not the product of Pakhtuns but have been elevated to the position by others. Talibans were created by ISI, Pakhtuns are peaceful people, Bacha Khan spent decades in jail for demanding the rights of his people but remained non-violent. This proves that Pakhtuns are not involve in these suicide attacks but they are agents of Osama, who are killing Pakhtuns. Pakistani establishment kept our tribal areas backward and never tried to introduce education and did nothing for progress of tribal areas aggressively. Having been a part of invincible Afghanistan for centuries, it is a shame for a ruling and historic nation like Pakhtuns to live in a state that has given nothing to them – not even a name to their region but has looted everything from them except their sense of pride and honor. It is against the psyche of Pakhtuns to buy submission at the cost of freedom and compromise on their honor by not retaliating against any aggression. The people in the tribal belt and Pakhtuns are totally innocent and they have no idea whatsoever about Al-Qaeda which had been based in the past in cities like Rawalpindi due to the ISI headquarters. Thugs of Punjab are talking about ,’’PURHA LIKHA PUNJAB’’, while so called religious extremists are blowing schools in Pakhtunistan under the umbrella of MMA Mullahs regime of Paktunistan, Cruel and hateful dictator Zia had a personal stragedy to prolong his unconstitutional oppressive military rule, he raised Islam’s slogan, welcomed Afghan refugees, got millions of dollars from West for fighting against Soviet union, like every Pakistani ruler, he ignored safety and security of Pakhtuns. Zia is responsible for the start of Pakhtuns genocide. All current day sectarian and militant groups including Mahajir Qaumai Movement (MQM) and top of them all the Al-Qaeda were fabricated in Zia regime by ISI. Terrorism is an Arab reactionary phenomenon. Neither Afghans across the Durand line nor Pakhtuns ever approved of it in the past. Its amazing that present Mush regime can arrest terrorists, if they attack outside Pakhtunistan but can’t arrest anyone if these attacks happen in Pakhtun’s region. The genocide of the Pakhtuns must stop. Pakhtun nationalist parties are ignoring the genocide of Pakhtoons,it seems they don’t care. They are not just interested. If they don't then Pakhtuns will forget about the ANP and do their own things. I don' t deny the services of ANP for Pakhtuns, however now that a war has been imposed upon us in the name of Islam, Leadership of ANP and other progressive groups should wake up and read the writing on the wall. On the other hand corrupt politicians of Pakistan never denounced these suicide attacks, these politicians are struggling and fighting for getting seat of power in Islamabad but are ignoring the sufferings of poor people of Pakhtunistan who are facing suicide attacks and Pakhtuns kids are afraid to go to schools, if these so called militants love Islam that much then why don’t they try to close down HEERA MUNDI of Lahore, ofcourse they will not because mullahs are getting paid from mafia bosses of Lahore Heera Mundi. Terrorist mullahs of LAL MASJID are also responsible for killing innocent Pakhtuns during military raid a few months ago, Pakhtuns student were used as human shield at lal masjid. Suicide attacks are horrific acts of genocide similar in psychotic madness as to what surged through the veins of Hitler. Ze chi pe mayeen yum da agha pukhtunistan de.Tul de ve Pakhtunistan.
Mwaqar
#52 Posted by KHYBER on June 24, 2008 6:10:15 am
Pakistan troops 'aid Taliban'(NEW YORK TIMES)
New classified US documents reveal that mass infiltration of Frontier Corps by Afghan insurgents is helping latest offensive
Peter Beaumont and Mark Townsend The Observer, Sunday June 22, 2008 Article historyThe Pakistani Frontier Corps has been heavily infiltrated and influenced by Taliban militants, sometimes joining in attacks on coalition forces, according to classified US 'after-action' reports compiled following clashes on the border.
According to those familiar with the material, regarded as deeply sensitive by the Pentagon in view of America's fragile relationship with Pakistan, there are 'box loads' of such reports at US bases along the length of the Pakistan-Afghan border. Details of the level of infiltration emerged yesterday on a day when five more US-led soldiers were killed in southern Afghanistan. Four of the soldiers died in a bomb and gunfire attack outside the southern city of Kandahar.
Nato officials have reported a dramatic increase in cross-border incidents compared with the same period last year. The US documents describe the direct involvement of Frontier Corps troops in attacks on the Afghan National Army and coalition forces, and also detail attacks launched so close to Frontier Corps outposts that Pakistani co-operation with the Taliban is assumed.
'The reality,' said a source familiar with the situation on the ground, 'is that there are units so opposed to what the coalition is doing and so friendly to the other side that when the opportunity comes up they will fire on Afghan and coalition troops. And this is not random. It can be exceptionally well co-ordinated.'
Another source - who has seen the reporting - described an attack last year where two Frontier Corps outposts appear to have been directly involved in firing on Afghan forces before a militant attack.
Frontier Corps personnel have in the past been implicated in the past in murdering US and Afghan officers. In the most high-profile case, a Frontier Corps member 'assassinated' Major Larry J Bauguess during a border mediation meeting. In another incident, an Afghan officer was killed. Since then the problem appears to have worsened as the Taliban renew their insurgency on the Afghan side of the border.
'The United States and Nato have substantial information on this problem,' said an American official. 'It's taking place at a variety of places along the border with the Frontier Corps giving direct and indirect assistance. I'm not saying it is everyone. There are some parts that have been quite helpful... but if you have seen the after-action reports of their involvement in attacks along the Afghan border you would appreciate the problem.'
James Appathurai, a Nato spokesman, said: 'The real concern is that the extremists in Pakistan are getting safe havens to rest, recuperate and retool in Pakistan and come across the border. The concerns have been conveyed to the Pakistan authorities.'
Seth Jones, author of the Rand report, which found evidence of collaboration, said the issue had been troubling the US even before the invasion of Afghanistan: 'If you go back a decade to the Clinton administration when the US targeted militant camps, members of the Pakistani intelligence services were killed along with militants.'
The allegation that senior Pakistani officials continue to offer lukewarm assistance to the coalition while offering help to the Taliban is also reiterated in Descent into Chaos, a new book by the veteran Pakistani author Ahmed Rashid.
Relations between the US and Pakistan were strained this month when 11 members of the Frontier Corps were killed when the US allegedly bombed their outpost near the border town of Gora Prai during a gun battle with militants on the border. Pakistani sources have questioned why the troops were hiding in a bunker in the midst of the battle and why they were 'unaware' of an hour-long firefight going on so close by.
The issue of the Taliban's ability to cross and recross the border with Pakistan into that country's Federally Administered Tribal Areas is becoming one of the most contentious issues of the war, with many - including Afghan President Hamid Karzai - insisting that his country is involved in a 'regional conflict' and threatening to send troops across the border.
The death of the five soldiers yesterday came as the Taliban stepped up their offensive. It happened a day after two other US-led soldiers died in separate incidents, including a suicide bombing.
Mwaqar
New classified US documents reveal that mass infiltration of Frontier Corps by Afghan insurgents is helping latest offensive
Peter Beaumont and Mark Townsend The Observer, Sunday June 22, 2008 Article historyThe Pakistani Frontier Corps has been heavily infiltrated and influenced by Taliban militants, sometimes joining in attacks on coalition forces, according to classified US 'after-action' reports compiled following clashes on the border.
According to those familiar with the material, regarded as deeply sensitive by the Pentagon in view of America's fragile relationship with Pakistan, there are 'box loads' of such reports at US bases along the length of the Pakistan-Afghan border. Details of the level of infiltration emerged yesterday on a day when five more US-led soldiers were killed in southern Afghanistan. Four of the soldiers died in a bomb and gunfire attack outside the southern city of Kandahar.
Nato officials have reported a dramatic increase in cross-border incidents compared with the same period last year. The US documents describe the direct involvement of Frontier Corps troops in attacks on the Afghan National Army and coalition forces, and also detail attacks launched so close to Frontier Corps outposts that Pakistani co-operation with the Taliban is assumed.
'The reality,' said a source familiar with the situation on the ground, 'is that there are units so opposed to what the coalition is doing and so friendly to the other side that when the opportunity comes up they will fire on Afghan and coalition troops. And this is not random. It can be exceptionally well co-ordinated.'
Another source - who has seen the reporting - described an attack last year where two Frontier Corps outposts appear to have been directly involved in firing on Afghan forces before a militant attack.
Frontier Corps personnel have in the past been implicated in the past in murdering US and Afghan officers. In the most high-profile case, a Frontier Corps member 'assassinated' Major Larry J Bauguess during a border mediation meeting. In another incident, an Afghan officer was killed. Since then the problem appears to have worsened as the Taliban renew their insurgency on the Afghan side of the border.
'The United States and Nato have substantial information on this problem,' said an American official. 'It's taking place at a variety of places along the border with the Frontier Corps giving direct and indirect assistance. I'm not saying it is everyone. There are some parts that have been quite helpful... but if you have seen the after-action reports of their involvement in attacks along the Afghan border you would appreciate the problem.'
James Appathurai, a Nato spokesman, said: 'The real concern is that the extremists in Pakistan are getting safe havens to rest, recuperate and retool in Pakistan and come across the border. The concerns have been conveyed to the Pakistan authorities.'
Seth Jones, author of the Rand report, which found evidence of collaboration, said the issue had been troubling the US even before the invasion of Afghanistan: 'If you go back a decade to the Clinton administration when the US targeted militant camps, members of the Pakistani intelligence services were killed along with militants.'
The allegation that senior Pakistani officials continue to offer lukewarm assistance to the coalition while offering help to the Taliban is also reiterated in Descent into Chaos, a new book by the veteran Pakistani author Ahmed Rashid.
Relations between the US and Pakistan were strained this month when 11 members of the Frontier Corps were killed when the US allegedly bombed their outpost near the border town of Gora Prai during a gun battle with militants on the border. Pakistani sources have questioned why the troops were hiding in a bunker in the midst of the battle and why they were 'unaware' of an hour-long firefight going on so close by.
The issue of the Taliban's ability to cross and recross the border with Pakistan into that country's Federally Administered Tribal Areas is becoming one of the most contentious issues of the war, with many - including Afghan President Hamid Karzai - insisting that his country is involved in a 'regional conflict' and threatening to send troops across the border.
The death of the five soldiers yesterday came as the Taliban stepped up their offensive. It happened a day after two other US-led soldiers died in separate incidents, including a suicide bombing.
Mwaqar
#51 Posted by KHYBER on June 24, 2008 6:07:32 am
BEFORE U BLAME KARZAI LOOK AT UR LEADERSHIP AND ARMY,WUT A UGLY ROLE THEY ARE PLAYING.........THSES IGNORANT TALIBANS CLOSING GIRLS SCHOOLS AND BOMBING MUSIC CENTERS,THEY SEE ALL EVIL IN PUKHTOONS AREAS,WHY NO MULLAH IN 60 YEARS OF PAKI HISTORY,NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT LAHORE'S HEERA MUNDI,THIS IS GENICIDE OF PUKHTOON NATION.
Our wars in our Tribal Areas
Date:Monday, June 23, 2008 5:40:54 PM (FROM DAILY TIMES)
The war in Khyber Agency now parallels the war in Kurram Agency. The first is three years old and the second is two years old in its latest phase. The Khyber war has unfolded right under the nose of the administration in Peshawar; and the Kurram war has proved too much for Islamabad as it spreads to adjacent Aurakzai and Mohmand agencies, coming down to the settled districts of the NWFP like Hangu and Kohat. There is also the greater war between the Taliban and the state of Pakistan over “lost territory�, and then there is the war with Afghanistan where the Tribal Areas of Pakistan provide up to 40 percent of the “cross-border� warriors. Finally, there is the war within the warriors of which the latest example is the sectarian bloodshed in the Khyber Agency.
Two factions that came on the scene in Khyber around 2005 on the basis of their propaganda on their FM radios are now killing each other freely. So far more than 200 warriors from both sides have been done to death with automatic fire and mortars and rockets. The latest battle has killed nearly 30 in one day’s battle, if the figures claimed by both sides are to be accepted. After Bara, the killings spread to Jamrud, where the murders of innocent people are now going to be avenged. The battle has also spread to the most inaccessible but picturesque Tirah and, going by the images being shown on TV, both sides are squared off with equal strength of weaponry and manpower.
The war in Kurram Agency forms a parallel. It is also close-by because one can reach Kurram from Tirah after a few hours’ journey. While the war in Khyber is between two versions of Sunni Islam � Deobandi versus Barelvi � the war in Kurram is between the Shia and the Sunni, the two major sects of Islam. The Kurram war, mostly centred on the headquarters of the agency Parachinar with a majority Shia population, is of longer gestation. In history it was known as the Turi-Mangal tribal war as both tribes embrace different sects. But after the jihad against the Soviet Union in the 1980s, it became an indirectly state-supported mayhem because jihad was Deobandi-dominated.
Hundreds have been claimed in these two internal wars. As in other areas affected by retaliatory attacks from the NATO-ISAF forces, uninvolved populations are moving out of the affected areas and then wandering from pillar to post in search of shelter. Everywhere they go, the Taliban tighten the noose around their necks by enforcing a brand of Islam that the people have not known before. Meanwhile, the state of Pakistan is nowhere to be seen. The people of Parachinar have made heart-rending appeals to the state to come and save their lives but to no effect. The state is clearly in retreat in the face of all this.
When the Barelvi-Deobandi war started in the Khyber Agency in 2005, its repercussions went as far south as Multan and Karachi where the Deobandi madrassas organised wall-chalkings about a war that no one could figure out. Mufti Munir Shakir was fulminating against his Barelvi rival Pir Saifur Rehman. Both were exiled from Khyber but both left behind their followers. The Deobandi Mufti Shakir has now been replaced by warlord Mangal Bagh who is given to raiding Peshawar to fill his coffers and is clearly putting himself up for adoption by Al Qaeda without whose imprimatur no one can enter the business of terrorism in the Tribal Areas. On the other hand, Pir Saifur Rehman has been succeeded by other leaders, including Maulana Mustamin, who have vowed to fight to the end.
The federal government listened to the distant thunder of war on the FM radios and kept quiet, and there are many interpretations placed on this benign neglect, including the involvement of the intelligence agencies in secretly prosecuting the war against Afghanistan’s Karzai government. The MMA government in Peshawar kept out of the mess on two grounds. The first was overt and it was based on the argument that the Tribal Areas were in the charge of the federal government. That indirectly meant that the governor and the corps commander in Peshawar were effectively responsible for control and management in Khyber. The other less overt reason for the Deobandi-dominated MMA’s indifference was the natural Deobandi ascendancy of Lashkar-e Islam of Mangal Bagh, further empowered by the “alliance� between Deobandi Islam and Arab-dominated Al Qaeda.
Those who are busy counting the errors of President Pervez Musharraf these days should include the chaos of the Tribal Areas and its two epochal wars in Khyber and Kurram in their list. But the danger is that these are precisely the issues that will be ignored by his critics. And that will be the source of further trouble for the country. *
Daily Times - Site Edition Tuesday, June 24, 2008
Mwaqar
Our wars in our Tribal Areas
Date:Monday, June 23, 2008 5:40:54 PM (FROM DAILY TIMES)
The war in Khyber Agency now parallels the war in Kurram Agency. The first is three years old and the second is two years old in its latest phase. The Khyber war has unfolded right under the nose of the administration in Peshawar; and the Kurram war has proved too much for Islamabad as it spreads to adjacent Aurakzai and Mohmand agencies, coming down to the settled districts of the NWFP like Hangu and Kohat. There is also the greater war between the Taliban and the state of Pakistan over “lost territory�, and then there is the war with Afghanistan where the Tribal Areas of Pakistan provide up to 40 percent of the “cross-border� warriors. Finally, there is the war within the warriors of which the latest example is the sectarian bloodshed in the Khyber Agency.
Two factions that came on the scene in Khyber around 2005 on the basis of their propaganda on their FM radios are now killing each other freely. So far more than 200 warriors from both sides have been done to death with automatic fire and mortars and rockets. The latest battle has killed nearly 30 in one day’s battle, if the figures claimed by both sides are to be accepted. After Bara, the killings spread to Jamrud, where the murders of innocent people are now going to be avenged. The battle has also spread to the most inaccessible but picturesque Tirah and, going by the images being shown on TV, both sides are squared off with equal strength of weaponry and manpower.
The war in Kurram Agency forms a parallel. It is also close-by because one can reach Kurram from Tirah after a few hours’ journey. While the war in Khyber is between two versions of Sunni Islam � Deobandi versus Barelvi � the war in Kurram is between the Shia and the Sunni, the two major sects of Islam. The Kurram war, mostly centred on the headquarters of the agency Parachinar with a majority Shia population, is of longer gestation. In history it was known as the Turi-Mangal tribal war as both tribes embrace different sects. But after the jihad against the Soviet Union in the 1980s, it became an indirectly state-supported mayhem because jihad was Deobandi-dominated.
Hundreds have been claimed in these two internal wars. As in other areas affected by retaliatory attacks from the NATO-ISAF forces, uninvolved populations are moving out of the affected areas and then wandering from pillar to post in search of shelter. Everywhere they go, the Taliban tighten the noose around their necks by enforcing a brand of Islam that the people have not known before. Meanwhile, the state of Pakistan is nowhere to be seen. The people of Parachinar have made heart-rending appeals to the state to come and save their lives but to no effect. The state is clearly in retreat in the face of all this.
When the Barelvi-Deobandi war started in the Khyber Agency in 2005, its repercussions went as far south as Multan and Karachi where the Deobandi madrassas organised wall-chalkings about a war that no one could figure out. Mufti Munir Shakir was fulminating against his Barelvi rival Pir Saifur Rehman. Both were exiled from Khyber but both left behind their followers. The Deobandi Mufti Shakir has now been replaced by warlord Mangal Bagh who is given to raiding Peshawar to fill his coffers and is clearly putting himself up for adoption by Al Qaeda without whose imprimatur no one can enter the business of terrorism in the Tribal Areas. On the other hand, Pir Saifur Rehman has been succeeded by other leaders, including Maulana Mustamin, who have vowed to fight to the end.
The federal government listened to the distant thunder of war on the FM radios and kept quiet, and there are many interpretations placed on this benign neglect, including the involvement of the intelligence agencies in secretly prosecuting the war against Afghanistan’s Karzai government. The MMA government in Peshawar kept out of the mess on two grounds. The first was overt and it was based on the argument that the Tribal Areas were in the charge of the federal government. That indirectly meant that the governor and the corps commander in Peshawar were effectively responsible for control and management in Khyber. The other less overt reason for the Deobandi-dominated MMA’s indifference was the natural Deobandi ascendancy of Lashkar-e Islam of Mangal Bagh, further empowered by the “alliance� between Deobandi Islam and Arab-dominated Al Qaeda.
Those who are busy counting the errors of President Pervez Musharraf these days should include the chaos of the Tribal Areas and its two epochal wars in Khyber and Kurram in their list. But the danger is that these are precisely the issues that will be ignored by his critics. And that will be the source of further trouble for the country. *
Daily Times - Site Edition Tuesday, June 24, 2008
Mwaqar
#50 Posted by jayp on June 24, 2008 2:38:55 am
"This is just one instance of the state of denial that colours our response to criticism. When radical Muslims from all over the world travel to Pakistan to receive training in bomb-making, and indoctrination in extremist interpretations of Islam, we hold up our hands and claim we are not responsible. Never mind that these training camps are located within our borders, and those running them are well known to our intelligence agencies. When graduates from these camps kill and maim innocent people in the West, we wash our hands of all responsibility.
Similarly, when drugs were a major export from Pakistan, we conveniently blamed the addicts for pushing up demand and prices in the West. When illegal immigrants from Pakistan cross borders all over the world, we claim we can do nothing to halt this traffic. And when supporters of the Taliban cross over into Afghanistan, or when jihadis traverse the Line of Control into Indian Kashmir with or without the connivance of our intelligence agencies, we pretend complete ignorance."
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The above is from dawn of today. In any country, where the above is the norm, it is ruled by a puppet.
Similarly, when drugs were a major export from Pakistan, we conveniently blamed the addicts for pushing up demand and prices in the West. When illegal immigrants from Pakistan cross borders all over the world, we claim we can do nothing to halt this traffic. And when supporters of the Taliban cross over into Afghanistan, or when jihadis traverse the Line of Control into Indian Kashmir with or without the connivance of our intelligence agencies, we pretend complete ignorance."
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The above is from dawn of today. In any country, where the above is the norm, it is ruled by a puppet.
#49 Posted by jayp on June 24, 2008 2:06:43 am
Helping pakistan.
The drones are a terrible manace to the peace loving people of FATA. Here is the news item followed by my advice to teh pakistanis.
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Drones make flights in Kurram Agency
Updated at: 1300 PST, Tuesday, June 24, 2008
PESHAWAR: Flights of drone planes have been witnessed once again in the border areas of Kurram Agency creating panic among the locals.
According to sources, drone planes made flights in the border areas on Tuesday that caused panic among the residents of these areas.
More than 200 people have been killed so far in missile attacks carried out by drones in tribal areas.
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The drones buzzing around are like death from heaven, they are unmanned, almost godly with a mind of their own. No doubt many women and children get killed in the attacks. The pak govt should advise the people taht when they hear a drone, they should some out of their houses in case there is a jihadi meeting going one and wave at the drones. Thsi will give the indication that jihadis at home and the drones can target them leaving teh women and children safe.
The drones are a terrible manace to the peace loving people of FATA. Here is the news item followed by my advice to teh pakistanis.
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Drones make flights in Kurram Agency
Updated at: 1300 PST, Tuesday, June 24, 2008
PESHAWAR: Flights of drone planes have been witnessed once again in the border areas of Kurram Agency creating panic among the locals.
According to sources, drone planes made flights in the border areas on Tuesday that caused panic among the residents of these areas.
More than 200 people have been killed so far in missile attacks carried out by drones in tribal areas.
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The drones buzzing around are like death from heaven, they are unmanned, almost godly with a mind of their own. No doubt many women and children get killed in the attacks. The pak govt should advise the people taht when they hear a drone, they should some out of their houses in case there is a jihadi meeting going one and wave at the drones. Thsi will give the indication that jihadis at home and the drones can target them leaving teh women and children safe.
#48 Posted by jayp on June 24, 2008 1:53:39 am
Helping pakistan.
I have been criticised for simply pointing to the negative aspects of pakistan without any positive contribution. I intend to address this through occassional posts with meaningful suggestion to improve the lot of the paki brethern.
Here is the news followed by some suggestions.
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PESHAWAR: Rot sets in for Swat fish farmers
By Sadia Qasim Shah
PESHAWAR, June 23: Apart from other people associated with different trades and professions, the fish farmers of the tourist resort of Madyan in Swat valley have been hit hard by the armed conflict between security forces and militants as they can neither sell fish due to fall in number of tourists nor are able to export the commodity owing to lack of facilities.
Madyan, famous for trout fish, looks deserted despite peak of tourists’ season. “The fish farmers have no idea what to do with the fish in their farms,� said Mohammad Rasheed, who owns three fish farms in Madyan.
He said that before the conflict, the number of fish produced in the farms was enough for consumption of tourists who came here during the season.
“I have not sold any fish in this season. I have about 5,000 kilograms of fish in my three farms. I don’t know what to do,� he lamented and complained of sharp fall in the sale owing to the decreasing number of tourists during the last two years.
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trout is good fish and it can be preserved by smoking it, which can be easily done in teh NWFP with the fire wood available there.
If you can put a little marijuana into teh smoke, the fish can become addictive and can ensure a good market for Swat fish for years to come.
Regrads and best wishes to teh responsible chowk pakis who can pass on this idea to teh poor farmers.
Jayp
I have been criticised for simply pointing to the negative aspects of pakistan without any positive contribution. I intend to address this through occassional posts with meaningful suggestion to improve the lot of the paki brethern.
Here is the news followed by some suggestions.
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PESHAWAR: Rot sets in for Swat fish farmers
By Sadia Qasim Shah
PESHAWAR, June 23: Apart from other people associated with different trades and professions, the fish farmers of the tourist resort of Madyan in Swat valley have been hit hard by the armed conflict between security forces and militants as they can neither sell fish due to fall in number of tourists nor are able to export the commodity owing to lack of facilities.
Madyan, famous for trout fish, looks deserted despite peak of tourists’ season. “The fish farmers have no idea what to do with the fish in their farms,� said Mohammad Rasheed, who owns three fish farms in Madyan.
He said that before the conflict, the number of fish produced in the farms was enough for consumption of tourists who came here during the season.
“I have not sold any fish in this season. I have about 5,000 kilograms of fish in my three farms. I don’t know what to do,� he lamented and complained of sharp fall in the sale owing to the decreasing number of tourists during the last two years.
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trout is good fish and it can be preserved by smoking it, which can be easily done in teh NWFP with the fire wood available there.
If you can put a little marijuana into teh smoke, the fish can become addictive and can ensure a good market for Swat fish for years to come.
Regrads and best wishes to teh responsible chowk pakis who can pass on this idea to teh poor farmers.
Jayp
#47 Posted by jayp on June 24, 2008 1:44:57 am
Iraquisation of pakistan has started from teh FATA region. Already the jihadis are fighting among them selves, some are attacking the govt troops. With the nato attack, the pakis have moved interior.
17 guards kidnapped after attack on posts
By Ibrahim Shinwari
LANDI KOTAL, June 23: Armed men attacked three checkposts on the main Peshawar-Torkham highway in the Khyber Agency on Sunday night and kidnapped 17 personnel of the Khasadar Force.
Officials confirmed the kidnapping and said the Khasadars deployed at the checkposts had been caught unawares by the blistering attacks at midnight.
17 guards kidnapped after attack on posts
By Ibrahim Shinwari
LANDI KOTAL, June 23: Armed men attacked three checkposts on the main Peshawar-Torkham highway in the Khyber Agency on Sunday night and kidnapped 17 personnel of the Khasadar Force.
Officials confirmed the kidnapping and said the Khasadars deployed at the checkposts had been caught unawares by the blistering attacks at midnight.
#46 Posted by harish_hyd on June 23, 2008 11:04:05 pm
#44 by Matrix
There are 40 million Pashtuns in the area and Pakistan is not going to dump them no matter what anybody says. NATO/Karzai are here today, gone tomorrow.Pakistan should sit back and let be.
As if you have a choice; remember Karzai has support from Bush. The more you protest, the more hellfires will rain from the skies.
Indian low life is running from Russians to Americans to Zionist and now trying to be friends of Arabs.
At least we aren't bending over which is what you guys do for the Yanks, Arabs and the Chinese every time they say "DO IT".
But dream of being a world power is sweet and America has promised to make you one, so dream on.
India IS poised to be a superpower if not today in a decade or two. You can continue to dream it won't happen.
There are 40 million Pashtuns in the area and Pakistan is not going to dump them no matter what anybody says. NATO/Karzai are here today, gone tomorrow.Pakistan should sit back and let be.
As if you have a choice; remember Karzai has support from Bush. The more you protest, the more hellfires will rain from the skies.
Indian low life is running from Russians to Americans to Zionist and now trying to be friends of Arabs.
At least we aren't bending over which is what you guys do for the Yanks, Arabs and the Chinese every time they say "DO IT".
But dream of being a world power is sweet and America has promised to make you one, so dream on.
India IS poised to be a superpower if not today in a decade or two. You can continue to dream it won't happen.
#45 Posted by majumdar on June 23, 2008 10:57:27 pm
Matrix,
(There are 40 million Pashtuns in the area and Pakistan is not going to dump them )
No one is asking Pak to dump them. Pak shuld merely free them. NWFP should be freed by Pak and allowed to reunite with Pushtoons across the (illegitimate) Durand Line.
(But dream of being a world power is sweet)
You are right on this count. India's dreams of being a world power is just that- a dream.
Regards
(There are 40 million Pashtuns in the area and Pakistan is not going to dump them )
No one is asking Pak to dump them. Pak shuld merely free them. NWFP should be freed by Pak and allowed to reunite with Pushtoons across the (illegitimate) Durand Line.
(But dream of being a world power is sweet)
You are right on this count. India's dreams of being a world power is just that- a dream.
Regards
#44 Posted by Matrix on June 23, 2008 10:53:42 pm
There are 40 million Pashtuns in the area and Pakistan is not going to dump them no matter what anybody says. NATO/Karzai are here today, gone tomorrow.Pakistan should sit back and let be.
Indian low life is running from Russians to Americans to Zionist and now trying to be friends of Arabs. What is the problem? If you need energy supply make a deal and pay the price. But dream of being a world power is sweet and America has promised to make you one, so dream on.
Indian low life is running from Russians to Americans to Zionist and now trying to be friends of Arabs. What is the problem? If you need energy supply make a deal and pay the price. But dream of being a world power is sweet and America has promised to make you one, so dream on.
#42 Posted by harish_hyd on June 23, 2008 10:07:51 pm
#21 by mkamd
I support full proxy war in Kashmir and give them short range missiles like Indians provided in Balochistan. If Indians use air force against Kashmiris then provide them stingers.
The Indian army may be guity of a lot of things, but one thing it is not guilty of is bombing Indian citizens from the air. That unique "honor" goes only to the Paki army.
Trust me Indians can not sustain a war with us.
Aww really? Whatever gave you the idea that India is keen on going to war against a country that has been already brought down to its knees by internal conflicts? India needs to do nothing except watch Pakis fight Pakis and the rest will take care of itself.
And should India really decide to go to war with a country tottering on the brink, perhaps they'll drop a couple of nukes to end your misery once and for all.
I would never give this opportunity to them without some thing solid in return.
Then why did you guys give up so meekly without having anything to show in return?
I support full proxy war in Kashmir and give them short range missiles like Indians provided in Balochistan. If Indians use air force against Kashmiris then provide them stingers.
The Indian army may be guity of a lot of things, but one thing it is not guilty of is bombing Indian citizens from the air. That unique "honor" goes only to the Paki army.
Trust me Indians can not sustain a war with us.
Aww really? Whatever gave you the idea that India is keen on going to war against a country that has been already brought down to its knees by internal conflicts? India needs to do nothing except watch Pakis fight Pakis and the rest will take care of itself.
And should India really decide to go to war with a country tottering on the brink, perhaps they'll drop a couple of nukes to end your misery once and for all.
I would never give this opportunity to them without some thing solid in return.
Then why did you guys give up so meekly without having anything to show in return?
#41 Posted by BJ2 on June 23, 2008 10:03:47 pm
After what Kashmir has brought unto Pakistan, only the moronest of the morons there will push for More Pakistani mischief in that valley of the luckless dolls!
#40 Posted by majumdar on June 23, 2008 9:38:10 pm
Mkamd,
(I support full proxy war in Kashmir)
You have already been doing that for the last 19 years without any results.
(If Indians use air force against Kashmiris then provide them stingers.)
It is a game both sides can play. And unlike Pakistan, a Muslim state, which has been using airforce against its own citizens, India in spite of being a Hindoo majority state, hasnt done the same.
(Trust me Indians can not sustain a war with us.)
They have been for the last 20 years.
(As soon as Pakistan agreed to make LOC permanent)
When did they do so?
(I would never give this opportunity to them without some thing solid in return. )
I will give you a solid thing in return. We will allow you guys to keep POK and Northern Areas. And also not take you guys to task for bombing Swat and W'stan.
Regards
(I support full proxy war in Kashmir)
You have already been doing that for the last 19 years without any results.
(If Indians use air force against Kashmiris then provide them stingers.)
It is a game both sides can play. And unlike Pakistan, a Muslim state, which has been using airforce against its own citizens, India in spite of being a Hindoo majority state, hasnt done the same.
(Trust me Indians can not sustain a war with us.)
They have been for the last 20 years.
(As soon as Pakistan agreed to make LOC permanent)
When did they do so?
(I would never give this opportunity to them without some thing solid in return. )
I will give you a solid thing in return. We will allow you guys to keep POK and Northern Areas. And also not take you guys to task for bombing Swat and W'stan.
Regards
#39 Posted by izuber on June 23, 2008 8:25:33 pm
Re: # 21 & 22 Mkamd
MashaAllah good analysis and sincere thoughts, I hope that people will come to rest and settle down as it is in no one's advantage to draw each other in disputes and wars.
MashaAllah good analysis and sincere thoughts, I hope that people will come to rest and settle down as it is in no one's advantage to draw each other in disputes and wars.
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