The Puppet Speaks

At last, Karzai's concerns have been heeded to. Pak army has launched a brutal offensive against the 'terrorists'.

Jang editorial of today. Read the educated of pakistan, is it a country worth defending, even on chowk

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As for the grisly drama seen in Bajaur on Friday, reports suggest that as many as 5,000 people may have gathered about 10 kilometres to the west of Khar to watch the public murder of two Afghan nationals who had been found guilty of spying for the Americans. They were found guilty by a local jirga working as a Sharia court and we must assume that it is unlikely that either man had the benefit of representation by a defence lawyer. It is said they confessed their 'crime' but we do not know by what means their confession was extracted, though we may assume that violence played a part in their admission of guilt. Once the men had been murdered to the obvious satisfaction of the onlookers their severed heads were paraded for all to see, prompting an enthusiastic outbreak of aerial firing which left a couple more dead and several seriously wounded.

The message sent by NATO's bamboo up paki mohammad has been heard loud and clear..the paki army has been dispatched to whack the jihadis...

pakis killing pakis killing pakis...virgins virgins virgins...allah is going to be busy..

Let bygones be bygones! karzai and Pakistan should understand the situation well!

Mr.Ather Naqvi and others who are criticising Karzai statement are living in denial and not reading the writing on the wall.Look at this report published in Paki news paper ''NEWS'' today,open ur eyes and think positively,if you think it will not happen in Punjab then u r living in fools paradise,once ignorant talibans take control of ur major cities then just remember the days when TALIBAN were in control of KABUL.Its amazing that powerful paki army and ISI who control these millitants is totally ignoring this situation,there is no way that military can't get and kill these fanatics,thugs and criminals.These fanatics wants people live in stone age,these ignorant criminals think girls should not be educated,its time for liberals in Paki society to speak out.Please read this news item::


''State of siege ''
6/26/2008
The report that the historic town of Peshawar could fall to militants is obviously terrifying. Worse still, it seems that despite meetings between the chief minister, top military officers stationed in the city and the adviser on interior, no one is ready to defend the city against a possible onslaught by the militant militias that stand ranged all around it. The foray by forces who took away 16 Christians recently from a locality in the heart of the city shows just how vulnerable it is. It is believed that militants, who have scored a series of victories in operations across the northern areas, may just make an attempt to seize Peshawar. The fall of the city, analysts believe, will bring other districts across the NWFP toppling down before militants as well. The resurgence of these forces is evident everywhere. After several weeks of calm, conflict between security troops and the local Taliban has been reported from Swat, where ten people have been killed. Indeed, each day stories come in of new aggression and new acts of brutality by these crazed men who wield automatic weapons and believe that Islam means burning down schools, attacking video shops or beheading people they suspect of collusion with the government.

The extent to which Peshawar, the once peaceful entry point to the northern areas, has changed over the last decade or so is also terrifying. Music, once integral to the culture of the city, has been banned. Folk artistes have been forced into penury, shops selling instruments destroyed. Women on some campuses have been forced into veils; many fear leaving their houses unescorted; schools for girls have been threatened and the relaxed traditions of bazaars where people sipped their tea in the many 'chai houses' dotted across them has given way to one of suspicion and anger.

The threat to Peshawar of course exposes the ineptness of government policy. Under Musharraf's 'enlightened moderation', even as the US declared him a key ally against terror, militancy grew everywhere. The new government has failed, despite some efforts, to do very much about it. Things in the FATA areas appear to be tumbling out of control – and the possibility of Taliban forces driving through Peshawar in trucks now stares us in the face. There is, quite obviously, no time to lose. If militancy is to be defeated, the strategies to do so must be put in place now. There is no space left to fumble or to ponder, and as a first step, a plan to defend Peshawar must be devised immediately before it is too late to prevent the frenzied armies of extremists marching in on the city.






Mwaqar

Iraquisation in action

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Militants kill 22 rival tribesmen



By Alamgir Bhittani


TANK, June 25: Pro-Baitullah Mehsud militants killed 22 rival tribesmen in Jandola the day after kidnapping them, an official said on Wednesday.

They belonged to the Niamatkhel clan of the Bhittani tribe and were captured in clashes with militants on Monday.

Officials estimated that militants had kidnapped 30 people and eight were still missing.

Barkatullah Marwat, District Coordination Officer of Tank, told Dawn that bodies of the victims had been retrieved from Kari Wam and Sor Ghar areas. All of them were buried later.

A spokesman for Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Maulvi Umar, claimed responsibility for the killings, saying the fate of the eight people still in their custody would be decided by members of the Shura.

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The paki military has withdrawn from teh tribal areas, and there will be one surviving jihadi group. Once that happens, it will be B52 time. remeber the good old paki predictiosn about tora bora, teh days of alexander etc etc.. not many can survive when B52s unload. The good old days were man to man combat where the local terrain knowledge matters. Luckily, the daisy cutters mak no distinction.

Where are the pakistanis,

At last pakistanis seem to have quit chowk, disgusted and ashamed of their own country, they have chosen to vanish into thin air.

Waht has been said on chowk is slowly sinking into them, all pakistanis are openly talking about disintegration of pakistan, fall of peshawar, largescale suicide bombings, and the final invasion of FATA by teh US forces.

Any paki with some self respect and has interacted on chowk abusing the indians should be curling up and praying to allah to releive him of thsi missery called life.

I recommend that allah give them jihadic heaven.

Poor Karzai! he's stuck deep in Afghanistan's internal problems! That explains his 'outrage'.

Khyber,

"If you don't do it then someone else will take care of it,when that someone else will take care they will be marching on your streets.Its the fault of ISI AND CIA who hired and trained these millitants and make em fight against soviets."

Why ISI or the establishment of Pakistan caved in to American and British pressure? Was it due to a mistaken understanding that they will hlep in sustaining Pakistan, snatching Kashmir and conquering India? Why Pakistan would like to hurt and destroy India? Why slogan of Haske Lenge Pakistan and Ladke Lenge Hindusthan? Is it the Islamic mindset? Which suras in Koran builds this mindset? Genuine questions! Please answer calmly. Address the root cause of present state. Window dressing makes the problem more difficult to tackle at later date.

USA is fighting a war on terror and Pakistan is its ally getting dollars and defence equipments for showing Pashtun as terrorists and extremists while Pashtun think that only and onlyPakistani establishment is responsible for the mess and promoting of terrorism in region for nefarious designs.Pashtun do not hold no one responsible except Pakistani rulers.Pakistan is responsible to provide security to cotizens in which she has badly failed is doing nothing and is not more than a spectator to see genocide of Pashtun Nation.Blaming others could not be justified.The dignity of Pashtun has been challanged.Those who sing songs of the patriotsm of Pakistan should ponder over as to what wrong Pashtun have committed and what remedy Pakistani rulers have in their pocket for them,if nothing as indicates then better to tell Pashtun to seek ways for them as future line of action and Pashtun should not be taught psedo-patriotism which is of no work.Pashtun have been kept deprived since its creation and are being treated as the traitors.When Punjabis are active to make Balkanisation of it then why Pashtun are being defamed before the world?Today Pakistan has bombs but having no bread to feed her People and citizens are starved to death and humaliation in 21st century which is a shame for those who are not tired to call themselves as proud Pakistanis but empty abdomens.The Taliban ARE not the creation of Pashtun society, but the creation of the Pakistan army.Pashtuns stand united for peace, but the fire of war is burning our land and we have to find the means to extinguish it. We are caught in the middle of warmongers, extremists and militants.The Pashtun nation is a victim of a conspiracy, and we are not terrorists. … The blood flowing on this border is Pashtun blood, and we will not allow terrorist to use our land.Islamabad has perpetrated a bad policy of wanting to bring Afghanistan under Pakistan’s influence. we should let the Afghans decide their own future.Let’s support peace in Afghanistan, not the insurgency.
The MMA’s defeat was largely a result of their failure to provide good government and deal with corruption; but it was also a clear sign that the majority of Pashtuns do not sympathise even with the mainstream Islamist parties, let alone with the pro-Taleban militants and terrorists, and that they are deeply opposed to the violence and unrest that the militants have unleashed in the Pashtun areas in recent months.
Pakistan is using these poor pukhtoons and innocent people as scapegoats to any regional and international reaction for any kind of terrorism whether it is within the country, regional or on international scale, sponsored by ISI and its sister organizations(ALQUIDA).Before 9/11 Pakistani Government used this land as a launching pad in creation of Taliban movement to capture Afghanistan. All international terrorist organizations were invited to be a part of this movement then world has seen what these mercenaries did to Afghanistan.After 9/11, when United state’s and allies helped Afghan people to get rid of Pakistani militia and push them toward south with international pressure on Pakistan, Pakistani’s ordered tactical retreat by inviting all these criminal’s back into tribal land with the help of ISI paid Mullahs/Clerics and ISI agents.
Mwaqar

who are the puppets and who are the puppeteers ?

"Pakistan's supreme court has ordered the postponement of a parliamentary by-election that former PM Nawaz Sharif was banned from contesting.

It said that Thursday's vote should not be held until it had decided on a government appeal against Mr Sharif's disqualification from the Lahore poll. "

.......... so, after nawaz sharif indemnified musharraf's by voting to expand the bench to 30, they might let him run if ..... if, what? ..... and what do you do with a supreme court with the largest bench in the workd !!! ........

....... tahmed mian, who are you going to call now ? ..... sheikh rashid ??

Re: # 62Lets not live in DENAIL and face the reality,I am not admiring KARZAI but lets call a spade a spade.Pukhtoons are the ones who are suffering because of talibans,these talibans are closing girls schools and music centers in pukhtoonistan not in punjab,do you think these talibans are giving a good name to our religion ISLAM?Peshawar is in a state of siege and lets hope not it falls into talibans hands,it seems like pakistani govt has lost writ and not willing to shoot n kill these talibans and their leaders.If you don't do it then someone else will take care of it,when that someone else will take care they will be marching on your streets.Its the fault of ISI AND CIA who hired and trained these millitants and make em fight against soviets.
If you surrot these millitans then is it in islam to bomb girls schools,ban women decent and normal activities,To me these talibans are not muslim at all,ISLAM is a complete code of life and Islam does not allow what talibans wants to enforce.
Mwaqar

Re: # 70

For a long time I had been telling this largely due to teh k for kafir education by the govt schools, let alone by the jihadis. There is a pervasive teaching of hatred in the pak society and that is why even those born and brought up in the UK end up as bombers. They are the children of TNT.

The imposition of teh sharia law, cut off any kind of freedom or decency that the society could have. Can you imagine a country where murder is not a crime against teh state, teh victims family has to fight it through teh court system to get killer punished.

Only blasphemy is a crime against teh state. In that kind of institutional system, only violence can thrive, and jihadis are the best at that. Killing , robbery, torture in teh name of god..well only they will thrive and pakistan will become the first jihadic state.

Helping pakistan

Militants shave heads of ‘car snatchers’
Wednesday, June 25, 2008
Our correspondent

DARRA ADAMKHEL: Local Taliban Tuesday shaved heads of three alleged car-lifters, paraded them through Darra Adamkhel town and sent them for ‘tableegh’ (preaching) after they confessed to their crime.

Sources told The News the three accused namely Quwat Khan son of Saeed Khan, resident of Koki Khel Mastan Khel Khyber Agency, Wazirbat Khan, resident of Darsamand Tall and Wali Khan, an Afghan refugee, hired a taxi (MB-925) from Abbottabad for Peshawar.

On reaching there, they asked the driver to take them further. When they reached Jani Garhi in the jurisdiction of Matani Police Station, they tortured the driver and snatched the car from him. The sources said the driver went to Matani Police Station, where the officials on duty refused to lodge an FIR. He then approached the local Taliban for help, who after hectic efforts captured the three car-snatchers. When the Taliban grilled them, they confessed to their crime.

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In the above incident, as usual, the police refused to do anything, but the jihadis did.

Paki military from the beginning have been subcontracting their work to the jihadis, from 1947 till the kargill and the continuing action in kashmir.

The same can be done by the police. The jihadis can be co-located just like the military, and the crime investigation can be given to teh jihadis. Just like the kargill, it can be denied as well.

This can put teh jihadis into good use, and they can do the killings when they come across any infidels. All will be happy, including the god.

#70 by majumdar

I am afraid you are too late. We have already had a 100- interact thread on UP on the subject.

Majumdar bhai, Jay is not late but way early. He has been predicting the takeover of Pakistan by fundamentalists on Chowk for some years now.

Helping pakistan.

For a country like pakistan with poor infrstructure, corruption and the like, fresh fruit export should be the last option. Forget about exporting ripe mangos, pakis should concentrate on export of pickled mangos. They are picked when green, as such teh yield will be higher than the ripe ones, and pickling presrves it with no refrigeration requirements, apt for a country with hardly any electricity supply.

Any how the entire country is in a pickle, and mango pickling will be more appropriate for teh country. Donot forget, when jinnah coined the name, Pakistan, p stood for pickle.
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Mango, potato exporters suffer Rs130m losses


KARACHI, June 24: All Pakistan Fruit and Vegetable Exporters, Importers and Merchants Association Chairman Abdul Wahid said on Tuesday that mango and potato exporters have suffered a loss of Rs100-130 million due to insufficient shipping services.

He said in a statement a ship operated by Karachi Agents Sea Consortium loaded about 37 containers of mango and potato for Dubai on June 7. The ship was reportedly having problems but the fault was not reported to the exporters.

The ship sailed off on June 13 but it developed fault on its voyage, ultimately toed to the Dubai Port where it called on June 23.

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Madani saab, where are you, help your brothern, take my advice to them.

Jayp,

I am afraid you are too late. We have already had a 100- interact thread on UP on the subject.

Regards

News I had been waiting for has arrived. First major sign of iraquisation is about to happen, a region with all of teh paki military establishment will be wiped out by the jihadis. All of the other militia will be slaughtered. Once this is confirmed, the B52s will roll in. NWFP is no more part of pakistan, it should be part of afghanistan, definitely with the mighty paki army withdrawing from teh afghan frontiers.

Emboldened militants set sights on Peshawar



By Ismail Khan


PESHAWAR, June 24: The security situation in Peshawar is grim. Officials in the home department, who evaluate the situation on an almost daily basis, believe declaring a state of red alert is now only a matter of time.

With militants knocking at the gates of the capital of the NWFP, even the more circumspect government and police officials now grudgingly concede that Peshawar, too, could fall in a few months.

“Peshawar is in a state of siege and if Peshawar falls, the rest of the districts in the NWFP would fall like ninepins�, a worried senior government official told Dawn.

Yes, that makes some sense dude!

#66 by Matrix

These people have no interest in welfare of Afghani people or anybody else.

Are you saying Pakistan is interested in the Afghans' welfare? If so, from 1989, the year the Soviets left till 2001/2 (when the US invaded Afghanistan in the aftermath of 9/11), Pakistan all but turned Afghanistan to rubble by providing arms to its favorites and encouraging them to fight it out amongst themselves. Why blame the US alone when you need to look no further than your own backyard?

To be a leader among nations you need resources, guts and lots of brains.

If India doesn't have any of these, do you think Pakistan has it? If so, why the need to bend over everytime there's a phone call from the State Department?

For #45
Durand line only a notional border. If you had good knowledge of the area you would know it. Puhtuns move across the border for economic reasons all the time. They want to rule Afghanistan and nobody can stop them and they will have a share of power in Pakistan relative to their strength. Another landlocked country will will not improve their position.

For #46
Bush is history. Soon Americans policy is going to turn using soft power. I would leave that to you to figure out the implication.

The question I ask is as to why NATO is in Afghanistan? Your answer would be to fight war on terror. You could not be more wrong.

Now consider the fact that NATO/US/Iran agree to put forces to support a minority regime there. This was to stop the flow of energy resources from central Asia to major consumers in Asia (China and India). This forces the energy to flow west to EU and at better price




These people have no interest in welfare of Afghani people or anybody else.

So how is India coming out of this game so far?

To be a leader among nations you need resources, guts and lots of brains.

I have a life to live so I wont be posting often.

one thing is clear; the US has raped the region like anything!

Zuber mian,

Unlike Atif Payee I am poor at numbers.

Btw, what are you doing about Peshawar?

Regards

I support full proxy war in Kashmir)

You have already been doing that for the last 19 years without any results.

(If Indians use air force against Kashmiris then provide them stingers.)

It is a game both sides can play. And unlike Pakistan, a Muslim state, which has been using airforce against its own citizens, India in spite of being a Hindoo majority state, hasnt done the same.

(Trust me Indians can not sustain a war with us.)

They have been for the last 20 years.

Imagine that a whole year changed from one paragraph to the next one.

#51 Posted by KHYBER
WHY NO MULLAH IN 60 YEARS OF PAKI HISTORY,NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT LAHORE'S HEERA MUNDI,THIS IS GENICIDE OF PUKHTOON NATION.
Majority of those who keep the heera mundi going consists of desperadoes from frontier.
But talking about the Heera Mundi makes you an infiltrator, how in the world did you go that deep into Pakistan's territory dear Karzai admirer? and you still chose to call yourself Khyber which is another act of infringement

#54 Posted by SupersizeMe

Perfect description of Karzai

an ever so constipated smile

Well, i don't think we can compare Karzai's situation with that of Pakistan.

KHYBER sahib get a life. You are talking and talking and talking about pakhtoons and pakhtoons and pakhtoons. If you are such a big fan of karazai you should enjoy your sweet stay in afghanistan under the miraculous and blessed rule of NATO forces. I hope you will find it thrilling. Open your eyes and tell me one motive even one motive for pakistan to destabilize afghani government. As you said ISI backed the terrorists, to let you know the truth Afghanistan has always been the strategic depth for Pakistan in times of wars. And Pakistan has enough problems to deal with,rest assured Afghanistan is not among them nor the petty talks of Karzai.

Whenever there is an outside ruling body in a country there are two kinds of people. Happy people and NOT happy people.
Happy people enjoy being slaves, unhappy people enjoy being martyrs.

The people you are calling terrorists are fighting for Afghanistan not Pakistan. So the PAKHTOONS can live a liberated and islamic life which i am sorry to say a specific group of pakhtoons don't want because they enjoy being slaves.

Such a pity that Afghanistan dummy ruler is Hamid Karzai.Who doesn't know what to talk when to talk and how to talk. His words can only make americans happy. Such empty words. Resolve is needed for such words which Hamid sahib doesn't even have.

Pakistan is paying a heavy price for being an ally on a war of terror. More suicide bombings more killings. And to put the blame on Pakistan for the suicide bombings that is ridiculous. When you kill whole families by air raids and brutal attacks , those who are left have nothing to do in revenge except dying to kill those who killed their beloved ones. This is a chian which has no end no start.

Pakhtoons will get what they deserve as pakistanis are getting what we deserved for doing wrong to the innocent people in Waziristan and tribal areas on the name of fight aginst terror.

As rightly siad by eyecontact
"Is hamam may hum sab nungay hain"




K.G

In fact, Karzai is just another pawn in the US game!

get a life dude.
Mwaqar

KHYBER,
GHOL MAKHORA!

#30 Posted by _arjun5 on June 23, 2008 4:25:39 pm
{"you're bragging about what will happen in the future...
if wishes were horses, pakis would ride... "}

Arjun,
And you are stuck in the recent past recycling the stale mantra of the neo-cons. Soon you will go the way of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and others. When Cheney's cousin gets inaugurated, you guys will see a marked difference about the way a responsible President conducts foreign policy. Ride 'em shoot 'em days are over and a new sheriff is coming to town. I am predicting the future.

...and BTW, the shine in "India Shining" is also over inflated.

Oh! Karzai speaks? Really? Silly me, I thought he was a deaf-dumb-mute- dummy who merely stands, waves his hands every so often and painstakingly smiles an ever so constipated smile.
I'm actually surprised he has so much 'life', such passion within him to speak so ill of his neighbour, a neighbour who has actually been pretty kind to his people!

This is madness, what next? Life on mars? Oh wait.. that's already happened too!

Genicide of Pakhtuns
One more time bourgeois and elite of Jinnah’s Pakistan are trying to keep Pakhtuns backward and keep them in the dark, the terrorist attacks by bunch of cowards who hide their faces or hide themselves in Burqa are killing innocent Pakhtuns. We Pakhtuns the Aryan nation, with Greek blood running in our veins and have jewish background are victims of conspiracy against Pakhtuns and it is shame for our Pakhtun so called leaders and ANP that they are silent. We need Bacha Khan and Wali Khan. Paktuns genocide started when former hateful military dictator Zia welcomed Afghan refugees, these refugees were imposed on people of Pakhtunistan, Zia and his masters also welcomed Osama and his cronies and turned Paktunistan into so called Jihad training ground against former Soviet Union, The refugee camps were places to which the Mujahideen could return for rest and to see their families. Now these well trained so called mujahideens and Osama and his company who are hiding in Rat holes, and their agents are attacking schools, music centers, security forces and killing poor and innocent Pakhtuns. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban were not the product of Pakhtuns but have been elevated to the position by others. Talibans were created by ISI, Pakhtuns are peaceful people, Bacha Khan spent decades in jail for demanding the rights of his people but remained non-violent. This proves that Pakhtuns are not involve in these suicide attacks but they are agents of Osama, who are killing Pakhtuns. Pakistani establishment kept our tribal areas backward and never tried to introduce education and did nothing for progress of tribal areas aggressively. Having been a part of invincible Afghanistan for centuries, it is a shame for a ruling and historic nation like Pakhtuns to live in a state that has given nothing to them – not even a name to their region but has looted everything from them except their sense of pride and honor. It is against the psyche of Pakhtuns to buy submission at the cost of freedom and compromise on their honor by not retaliating against any aggression. The people in the tribal belt and Pakhtuns are totally innocent and they have no idea whatsoever about Al-Qaeda which had been based in the past in cities like Rawalpindi due to the ISI headquarters. Thugs of Punjab are talking about ,’’PURHA LIKHA PUNJAB’’, while so called religious extremists are blowing schools in Pakhtunistan under the umbrella of MMA Mullahs regime of Paktunistan, Cruel and hateful dictator Zia had a personal stragedy to prolong his unconstitutional oppressive military rule, he raised Islam’s slogan, welcomed Afghan refugees, got millions of dollars from West for fighting against Soviet union, like every Pakistani ruler, he ignored safety and security of Pakhtuns. Zia is responsible for the start of Pakhtuns genocide. All current day sectarian and militant groups including Mahajir Qaumai Movement (MQM) and top of them all the Al-Qaeda were fabricated in Zia regime by ISI. Terrorism is an Arab reactionary phenomenon. Neither Afghans across the Durand line nor Pakhtuns ever approved of it in the past. Its amazing that present Mush regime can arrest terrorists, if they attack outside Pakhtunistan but can’t arrest anyone if these attacks happen in Pakhtun’s region. The genocide of the Pakhtuns must stop. Pakhtun nationalist parties are ignoring the genocide of Pakhtoons,it seems they don’t care. They are not just interested. If they don't then Pakhtuns will forget about the ANP and do their own things. I don' t deny the services of ANP for Pakhtuns, however now that a war has been imposed upon us in the name of Islam, Leadership of ANP and other progressive groups should wake up and read the writing on the wall. On the other hand corrupt politicians of Pakistan never denounced these suicide attacks, these politicians are struggling and fighting for getting seat of power in Islamabad but are ignoring the sufferings of poor people of Pakhtunistan who are facing suicide attacks and Pakhtuns kids are afraid to go to schools, if these so called militants love Islam that much then why don’t they try to close down HEERA MUNDI of Lahore, ofcourse they will not because mullahs are getting paid from mafia bosses of Lahore Heera Mundi. Terrorist mullahs of LAL MASJID are also responsible for killing innocent Pakhtuns during military raid a few months ago, Pakhtuns student were used as human shield at lal masjid. Suicide attacks are horrific acts of genocide similar in psychotic madness as to what surged through the veins of Hitler. Ze chi pe mayeen yum da agha pukhtunistan de.Tul de ve Pakhtunistan.
Mwaqar

Pakistan troops 'aid Taliban'(NEW YORK TIMES)
New classified US documents reveal that mass infiltration of Frontier Corps by Afghan insurgents is helping latest offensive
Peter Beaumont and Mark Townsend The Observer, Sunday June 22, 2008 Article historyThe Pakistani Frontier Corps has been heavily infiltrated and influenced by Taliban militants, sometimes joining in attacks on coalition forces, according to classified US 'after-action' reports compiled following clashes on the border.

According to those familiar with the material, regarded as deeply sensitive by the Pentagon in view of America's fragile relationship with Pakistan, there are 'box loads' of such reports at US bases along the length of the Pakistan-Afghan border. Details of the level of infiltration emerged yesterday on a day when five more US-led soldiers were killed in southern Afghanistan. Four of the soldiers died in a bomb and gunfire attack outside the southern city of Kandahar.

Nato officials have reported a dramatic increase in cross-border incidents compared with the same period last year. The US documents describe the direct involvement of Frontier Corps troops in attacks on the Afghan National Army and coalition forces, and also detail attacks launched so close to Frontier Corps outposts that Pakistani co-operation with the Taliban is assumed.

'The reality,' said a source familiar with the situation on the ground, 'is that there are units so opposed to what the coalition is doing and so friendly to the other side that when the opportunity comes up they will fire on Afghan and coalition troops. And this is not random. It can be exceptionally well co-ordinated.'

Another source - who has seen the reporting - described an attack last year where two Frontier Corps outposts appear to have been directly involved in firing on Afghan forces before a militant attack.

Frontier Corps personnel have in the past been implicated in the past in murdering US and Afghan officers. In the most high-profile case, a Frontier Corps member 'assassinated' Major Larry J Bauguess during a border mediation meeting. In another incident, an Afghan officer was killed. Since then the problem appears to have worsened as the Taliban renew their insurgency on the Afghan side of the border.

'The United States and Nato have substantial information on this problem,' said an American official. 'It's taking place at a variety of places along the border with the Frontier Corps giving direct and indirect assistance. I'm not saying it is everyone. There are some parts that have been quite helpful... but if you have seen the after-action reports of their involvement in attacks along the Afghan border you would appreciate the problem.'

James Appathurai, a Nato spokesman, said: 'The real concern is that the extremists in Pakistan are getting safe havens to rest, recuperate and retool in Pakistan and come across the border. The concerns have been conveyed to the Pakistan authorities.'

Seth Jones, author of the Rand report, which found evidence of collaboration, said the issue had been troubling the US even before the invasion of Afghanistan: 'If you go back a decade to the Clinton administration when the US targeted militant camps, members of the Pakistani intelligence services were killed along with militants.'

The allegation that senior Pakistani officials continue to offer lukewarm assistance to the coalition while offering help to the Taliban is also reiterated in Descent into Chaos, a new book by the veteran Pakistani author Ahmed Rashid.

Relations between the US and Pakistan were strained this month when 11 members of the Frontier Corps were killed when the US allegedly bombed their outpost near the border town of Gora Prai during a gun battle with militants on the border. Pakistani sources have questioned why the troops were hiding in a bunker in the midst of the battle and why they were 'unaware' of an hour-long firefight going on so close by.

The issue of the Taliban's ability to cross and recross the border with Pakistan into that country's Federally Administered Tribal Areas is becoming one of the most contentious issues of the war, with many - including Afghan President Hamid Karzai - insisting that his country is involved in a 'regional conflict' and threatening to send troops across the border.

The death of the five soldiers yesterday came as the Taliban stepped up their offensive. It happened a day after two other US-led soldiers died in separate incidents, including a suicide bombing.

Mwaqar

BEFORE U BLAME KARZAI LOOK AT UR LEADERSHIP AND ARMY,WUT A UGLY ROLE THEY ARE PLAYING.........THSES IGNORANT TALIBANS CLOSING GIRLS SCHOOLS AND BOMBING MUSIC CENTERS,THEY SEE ALL EVIL IN PUKHTOONS AREAS,WHY NO MULLAH IN 60 YEARS OF PAKI HISTORY,NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT LAHORE'S HEERA MUNDI,THIS IS GENICIDE OF PUKHTOON NATION.
Our wars in our Tribal Areas
Date:Monday, June 23, 2008 5:40:54 PM (FROM DAILY TIMES)

The war in Khyber Agency now parallels the war in Kurram Agency. The first is three years old and the second is two years old in its latest phase. The Khyber war has unfolded right under the nose of the administration in Peshawar; and the Kurram war has proved too much for Islamabad as it spreads to adjacent Aurakzai and Mohmand agencies, coming down to the settled districts of the NWFP like Hangu and Kohat. There is also the greater war between the Taliban and the state of Pakistan over “lost territory�, and then there is the war with Afghanistan where the Tribal Areas of Pakistan provide up to 40 percent of the “cross-border� warriors. Finally, there is the war within the warriors of which the latest example is the sectarian bloodshed in the Khyber Agency.

Two factions that came on the scene in Khyber around 2005 on the basis of their propaganda on their FM radios are now killing each other freely. So far more than 200 warriors from both sides have been done to death with automatic fire and mortars and rockets. The latest battle has killed nearly 30 in one day’s battle, if the figures claimed by both sides are to be accepted. After Bara, the killings spread to Jamrud, where the murders of innocent people are now going to be avenged. The battle has also spread to the most inaccessible but picturesque Tirah and, going by the images being shown on TV, both sides are squared off with equal strength of weaponry and manpower.

The war in Kurram Agency forms a parallel. It is also close-by because one can reach Kurram from Tirah after a few hours’ journey. While the war in Khyber is between two versions of Sunni Islam � Deobandi versus Barelvi � the war in Kurram is between the Shia and the Sunni, the two major sects of Islam. The Kurram war, mostly centred on the headquarters of the agency Parachinar with a majority Shia population, is of longer gestation. In history it was known as the Turi-Mangal tribal war as both tribes embrace different sects. But after the jihad against the Soviet Union in the 1980s, it became an indirectly state-supported mayhem because jihad was Deobandi-dominated.

Hundreds have been claimed in these two internal wars. As in other areas affected by retaliatory attacks from the NATO-ISAF forces, uninvolved populations are moving out of the affected areas and then wandering from pillar to post in search of shelter. Everywhere they go, the Taliban tighten the noose around their necks by enforcing a brand of Islam that the people have not known before. Meanwhile, the state of Pakistan is nowhere to be seen. The people of Parachinar have made heart-rending appeals to the state to come and save their lives but to no effect. The state is clearly in retreat in the face of all this.

When the Barelvi-Deobandi war started in the Khyber Agency in 2005, its repercussions went as far south as Multan and Karachi where the Deobandi madrassas organised wall-chalkings about a war that no one could figure out. Mufti Munir Shakir was fulminating against his Barelvi rival Pir Saifur Rehman. Both were exiled from Khyber but both left behind their followers. The Deobandi Mufti Shakir has now been replaced by warlord Mangal Bagh who is given to raiding Peshawar to fill his coffers and is clearly putting himself up for adoption by Al Qaeda without whose imprimatur no one can enter the business of terrorism in the Tribal Areas. On the other hand, Pir Saifur Rehman has been succeeded by other leaders, including Maulana Mustamin, who have vowed to fight to the end.

The federal government listened to the distant thunder of war on the FM radios and kept quiet, and there are many interpretations placed on this benign neglect, including the involvement of the intelligence agencies in secretly prosecuting the war against Afghanistan’s Karzai government. The MMA government in Peshawar kept out of the mess on two grounds. The first was overt and it was based on the argument that the Tribal Areas were in the charge of the federal government. That indirectly meant that the governor and the corps commander in Peshawar were effectively responsible for control and management in Khyber. The other less overt reason for the Deobandi-dominated MMA’s indifference was the natural Deobandi ascendancy of Lashkar-e Islam of Mangal Bagh, further empowered by the “alliance� between Deobandi Islam and Arab-dominated Al Qaeda.

Those who are busy counting the errors of President Pervez Musharraf these days should include the chaos of the Tribal Areas and its two epochal wars in Khyber and Kurram in their list. But the danger is that these are precisely the issues that will be ignored by his critics. And that will be the source of further trouble for the country. *
Daily Times - Site Edition Tuesday, June 24, 2008


Mwaqar

"This is just one instance of the state of denial that colours our response to criticism. When radical Muslims from all over the world travel to Pakistan to receive training in bomb-making, and indoctrination in extremist interpretations of Islam, we hold up our hands and claim we are not responsible. Never mind that these training camps are located within our borders, and those running them are well known to our intelligence agencies. When graduates from these camps kill and maim innocent people in the West, we wash our hands of all responsibility.

Similarly, when drugs were a major export from Pakistan, we conveniently blamed the addicts for pushing up demand and prices in the West. When illegal immigrants from Pakistan cross borders all over the world, we claim we can do nothing to halt this traffic. And when supporters of the Taliban cross over into Afghanistan, or when jihadis traverse the Line of Control into Indian Kashmir with or without the connivance of our intelligence agencies, we pretend complete ignorance."
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The above is from dawn of today. In any country, where the above is the norm, it is ruled by a puppet.

Helping pakistan.

The drones are a terrible manace to the peace loving people of FATA. Here is the news item followed by my advice to teh pakistanis.
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Drones make flights in Kurram Agency
Updated at: 1300 PST, Tuesday, June 24, 2008
PESHAWAR: Flights of drone planes have been witnessed once again in the border areas of Kurram Agency creating panic among the locals.

According to sources, drone planes made flights in the border areas on Tuesday that caused panic among the residents of these areas.

More than 200 people have been killed so far in missile attacks carried out by drones in tribal areas.
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The drones buzzing around are like death from heaven, they are unmanned, almost godly with a mind of their own. No doubt many women and children get killed in the attacks. The pak govt should advise the people taht when they hear a drone, they should some out of their houses in case there is a jihadi meeting going one and wave at the drones. Thsi will give the indication that jihadis at home and the drones can target them leaving teh women and children safe.

Helping pakistan.

I have been criticised for simply pointing to the negative aspects of pakistan without any positive contribution. I intend to address this through occassional posts with meaningful suggestion to improve the lot of the paki brethern.
Here is the news followed by some suggestions.
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PESHAWAR: Rot sets in for Swat fish farmers



By Sadia Qasim Shah


PESHAWAR, June 23: Apart from other people associated with different trades and professions, the fish farmers of the tourist resort of Madyan in Swat valley have been hit hard by the armed conflict between security forces and militants as they can neither sell fish due to fall in number of tourists nor are able to export the commodity owing to lack of facilities.

Madyan, famous for trout fish, looks deserted despite peak of tourists’ season. “The fish farmers have no idea what to do with the fish in their farms,� said Mohammad Rasheed, who owns three fish farms in Madyan.

He said that before the conflict, the number of fish produced in the farms was enough for consumption of tourists who came here during the season.

“I have not sold any fish in this season. I have about 5,000 kilograms of fish in my three farms. I don’t know what to do,� he lamented and complained of sharp fall in the sale owing to the decreasing number of tourists during the last two years.
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trout is good fish and it can be preserved by smoking it, which can be easily done in teh NWFP with the fire wood available there.

If you can put a little marijuana into teh smoke, the fish can become addictive and can ensure a good market for Swat fish for years to come.

Regrads and best wishes to teh responsible chowk pakis who can pass on this idea to teh poor farmers.

Jayp

Iraquisation of pakistan has started from teh FATA region. Already the jihadis are fighting among them selves, some are attacking the govt troops. With the nato attack, the pakis have moved interior.


17 guards kidnapped after attack on posts



By Ibrahim Shinwari


LANDI KOTAL, June 23: Armed men attacked three checkposts on the main Peshawar-Torkham highway in the Khyber Agency on Sunday night and kidnapped 17 personnel of the Khasadar Force.

Officials confirmed the kidnapping and said the Khasadars deployed at the checkposts had been caught unawares by the blistering attacks at midnight.

#44 by Matrix

There are 40 million Pashtuns in the area and Pakistan is not going to dump them no matter what anybody says. NATO/Karzai are here today, gone tomorrow.Pakistan should sit back and let be.

As if you have a choice; remember Karzai has support from Bush. The more you protest, the more hellfires will rain from the skies.

Indian low life is running from Russians to Americans to Zionist and now trying to be friends of Arabs.

At least we aren't bending over which is what you guys do for the Yanks, Arabs and the Chinese every time they say "DO IT".

But dream of being a world power is sweet and America has promised to make you one, so dream on.

India IS poised to be a superpower if not today in a decade or two. You can continue to dream it won't happen.

Matrix,

(There are 40 million Pashtuns in the area and Pakistan is not going to dump them )

No one is asking Pak to dump them. Pak shuld merely free them. NWFP should be freed by Pak and allowed to reunite with Pushtoons across the (illegitimate) Durand Line.

(But dream of being a world power is sweet)

You are right on this count. India's dreams of being a world power is just that- a dream.

Regards

There are 40 million Pashtuns in the area and Pakistan is not going to dump them no matter what anybody says. NATO/Karzai are here today, gone tomorrow.Pakistan should sit back and let be.
Indian low life is running from Russians to Americans to Zionist and now trying to be friends of Arabs. What is the problem? If you need energy supply make a deal and pay the price. But dream of being a world power is sweet and America has promised to make you one, so dream on.

Re: # 42 Now, that is quite interesting!

#21 by mkamd

I support full proxy war in Kashmir and give them short range missiles like Indians provided in Balochistan. If Indians use air force against Kashmiris then provide them stingers.

The Indian army may be guity of a lot of things, but one thing it is not guilty of is bombing Indian citizens from the air. That unique "honor" goes only to the Paki army.

Trust me Indians can not sustain a war with us.

Aww really? Whatever gave you the idea that India is keen on going to war against a country that has been already brought down to its knees by internal conflicts? India needs to do nothing except watch Pakis fight Pakis and the rest will take care of itself.

And should India really decide to go to war with a country tottering on the brink, perhaps they'll drop a couple of nukes to end your misery once and for all.

I would never give this opportunity to them without some thing solid in return.

Then why did you guys give up so meekly without having anything to show in return?

After what Kashmir has brought unto Pakistan, only the moronest of the morons there will push for More Pakistani mischief in that valley of the luckless dolls!

Mkamd,

(I support full proxy war in Kashmir)

You have already been doing that for the last 19 years without any results.

(If Indians use air force against Kashmiris then provide them stingers.)

It is a game both sides can play. And unlike Pakistan, a Muslim state, which has been using airforce against its own citizens, India in spite of being a Hindoo majority state, hasnt done the same.

(Trust me Indians can not sustain a war with us.)

They have been for the last 20 years.

(As soon as Pakistan agreed to make LOC permanent)

When did they do so?

(I would never give this opportunity to them without some thing solid in return. )

I will give you a solid thing in return. We will allow you guys to keep POK and Northern Areas. And also not take you guys to task for bombing Swat and W'stan.

Regards

Re: # 21 & 22 Mkamd
MashaAllah good analysis and sincere thoughts, I hope that people will come to rest and settle down as it is in no one's advantage to draw each other in disputes and wars.

Real Pashtuns are people of their word, and once they give word they follow up on it even at the cost of their life while Karzai is not a Pashtun by any measure.

Re: # 23
As long as not amalgamated by Indo-conspiracies as usual.
They already have numerous consulate offices in every village of Afghanistan and are quite active in fueling fires.

In as much as Karzai is concerned he definitely fears for his own seat after the departure of Bush & Co.
Once again he will have to come back to his original profession in the US of A flipping burgers in a restaurant he & his brother ran in Baltimore, Maryland, the threat is real and over the last several years he has become acclimated to all the luxuries he has access to not to mention the US Army as well as the possibility of abandoning the pipeline consturction that was started by UNOCAL and which continues, all those big dollar dividends, how can one see all that disappear right in front of their eyes?

Is the US any safer than what it was immediately after 9/11?------Oh Yessss
The departure of Bush & his control tower operator Chenny and their cronies departure from the white house and the control tower itself would be the biggest guarantee that US and Americans were safe before 9/11, during 9/11 & long after 9/11.
Bush himself is no more than a cattle auctioneer, he hardly has any lingual capabilities, while it is Chenny & his gang that were out there to create a scenario to further their cause which they have been successful with thus far.
The manner in which they deceived the American nation is exemplary in the entire world. They have butchered the entire world to achieve what their primary goal has been and they have been working hard on that since even before coming in power. Chenny & his cronies have been responsible for pushing all the buttons throughout this nasty game they have been playing and continue to play.
Read the details and judge for yourself:
http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/35318262/liberal-media-echo -white-house-9-11-talking-points

Re: # 33 The fact is that "iss hamam main sub nangay hain"!!!

Re: # 22
Pashtoons love cruel dictator Zia........hell no...no way that we love that hypocrite dictator who destroyed pashtoons.we hate NAWAZ TOO who is a corrupt person.
Mwaqar

Hamid Khan Karzai the President of Islamic Republic of the great Afghanistan,s press conference in which he hurled threats to hit terrorists operating this side of the Durand line in the areas of Pashtun/Afghans. Those who say that Karzai has no right to hit the terrorists this side of Durand line should open their eyes and listen carefully that Karzai is right to say as he has been waiting for last seven years that security forces of Pakistan have badly failed to control the infiltration of the terrorists across Durand line where the peaceful innocent people of the Afghanistan are being killed ruthlessly for no crime they have committed. President Bush also said that if he were sitting on the place of His Excellency Hamid Khan Karzai, and his people were to be assassinated by the terrorists he would not be able to wait for such a long time. Hamid Khan Karzai has not talked about innocent People to be hit, rather he has talked about the extremist and terrorist forces sitting this side of Durand line and are busy killing innocent Pashtun in Afghanistan by the help of the notorious Pakistani ISI. Hats off to the courage and love of Karzai saeb who talked about the security and safety of the Pashtun/Afghans living this side of Durand line. One should be clear that Karzai saeb is a Pashtun/Afgha and all those living this side of Pashtunkhwa are Pashtun and Afghans. We are proud of Hamid Karzai who has the power today to talk for his people Pashtun/Afghans. The so called Writers should think that today Afghans are not all alone. They have the power and capability to defend their people from attacks of the terrorists. They should also understand that Hamid Karzai is an elected president of the people of Afghanistan who was voted to power not only by the male but famale alike standing in long queues to cast their vote in his favour. The pseudo writers and uncles of the Pakistani establishment and ISI should try to force their government to stop the terrorists across Durand line and provide food to the people in Pakistan. We Pashtun living this side of Durand line even can not think to talk against President Karzai who is the champion of the Pashtun rights and warns terrorists to stop their activities against Pashtun/Afghans. We should also be honest enough to talk honestly that Pakistani security forces and Government have failed to stop the genocide of the Pashtun/Afghans by the hands of the terrorists sitting in safe havens by the assistance of ISI and other clergymen this side of Durand line. Those who issue statements against Karzai do not seem to be Pashtun as Pashtun are of the view that Karzai is the only person who can protectPashtun from further decredation by the hands of terrorists with help of the Punjabi establishment who want to create problems for Afghanistan and Allied forces in Afghanistan. All so called writers listen that Karzai is not against the Pashtun/Afghans living this side of Durand line rather he wants to get Pashtun /Afghans rid off from cruelties and barbarism of the terrorists with the help of Pakistani Punjabi establishent. This is the time of unity and all Pashtun should be aware of the plots and conspiracies hatched against them for their genocide. We are optimist and say once again that Karzai is right in what he says against anti-Pashtun forces and in favour of the Pashtun/Afghans living side of Durand line. The ongoing war against terrorism is fought under the policy of hot pursuit. It is evident from the genocide of Pashtun that Pakistani forces are quite unable to stop anti Pashtun forces from killing of Pashtun/Afghan People. Pakistan is an ally in war and when she is unable then other countries have right to come and save Pashtun/Afghans from the assassination by the hands of the extremist forces. Hamid Karzai is against terrorist forces and wants to save innocent Pashtun. Now those who write against Karzai, they are the pro- terrorist forces and should be dealt as terrorists are being dealt. Long live Pashtun/Afghans
The Pakistani Media has again as usual, mis-quoted the recent statements of President Karzai in which he issued a forceful warning to militants in Pakistan, saying he will send Afghan troops across the border to combat Taliban insurgents. The mis-interpretation of the President's statements is done intentionally by the Pakistani media to provoke the Tribal Pashtuns against their fellow Afghan brethren despite of the fact that President Karzai has been warning Pakistan regarding cross border infiltration of Pakistani religeous and military terrorists into Afghanistan. What President Karzai said in his statement was: 1) That terrorists from Pakistani tribal areas are entering Afghanistan for suicide bombing to target Afghan and ISAF forces. 2) That these Terrorists are [ISI-backed] Taliban whose leader is Baitullah Mehsud or Mulla Umar in Pakistan. 3) That Afghanistan and ISAF forces reserve the right to take the revenge of killings by these Talibans in Afghanistan even if Afghan and NATO forces have to chase them to their houses in the FATA. 4) That Afghanistan is also concerned about the atrocities being committed to Pashtuns in Pakistan. 5) That Afghanistan only trusts ANP among the political parties in Pakistan. It is obvious that if the govt of Pakistan does not take any action against these terrorists entering Afghanistan but rather facilitates and trains them to do these nefarious activities then Afghanistan would feel insecure and it would be compelled to take precautionary measures for her security. Pakistani media is projecting the statement as provocative statement and trying to hide factual position from the world while the statement simply means: 1) That Afghanistan is neither interested to violate the so called sovereignty of Pakistan nor does it want to harm or attack its fellow Pashtun brothers in FATA. 2) That Pakistan is behind the suicide attacks in Afghanistan. 3) That Pakistani agencies are behind the planing and training of the suicide bombers and terrorist. 4) That Pakistan is not sincere to see peace and progress in Afghanistan. 5) That Afghanistan reserves the right to take revenge of all the suicide bombs done by the invisible hands which get activated from FATA – the land of non-local terrorists trained by Pakistani army and agencies with the help of local religious demagogues. Let us unleash the multi-tier terrorists network active in Pakistan under state supervision . It is a well established fact that the Taliban as well as other religious prototype groups are the products of ISI. The statements of Baitullah Mehsud and Mulla Umar of TTP are just the Pashto translation of ISPR's statements regarding Afghanistan and Pakhtoonkhwa. The nomenclature of the terrorist network in Pakistan is as follows: 1) The planning and strategy formation both inside Pakistan (against Pashtuns, Balochis or Sindhis) and outside Pakistan (specially in India and Afghanistan) is done at the GHQ Rawalpindi. 2) The plan is executed by the intelligence agencies (ISI, MI, IB etc) of Pakistan. 3) Depending upon the geopolitical situation of the region, the modus operandi of the terrorist activities is customised accordingly. In Pukhtunkhwa, the religious parties and clerics are bribed to provide "manpower" for the suicide bombs and other terrorist activities while the more technically sensitive operations like killing of political leaders are carried out by the intelligence agencies themselves. Religeous groups like Taliban along with the local criminal elements are guided by the professionals of the intelligence agencies to control the local people through religious authority. The network of Taliban is extended across Pakhtunkhwa naming them local Taliban to be able to hijack the freedom and liberty of the people anytime and to scare the people constantly. Baitullah Mehsud in Waziristan, Mangal Bag in Khyber agency, Fazlullah in Swat, Mulla Omar in Bajaur etc are all the ISI puppets playing with the lives of innocent Pashtuns who have never been conquered with sword but have been falling prey to the authority of religion in history. On top of it all, the military is carrying out operations in the name of war on terror but infact killing all those among the local population who might potentially become a power to reckon with against the designs of the state sponsored terrorist activities and hegemony of Punjab dominated Pakistan army. In Afghanistan, there is peace in all those cities that are bordering other neighboring countries except Pakistan. It is the border with Pakistan which has been experiencing political unrest and insurgency due to Taliban. The Talibans in Afghanistan – who were the product of ISI in the early 90's - are under the complete control of Pakistani agencies and plotting plans to destabilise Afghanistan in every possible manner. Pakistani agencies export experts and expertise to the Taliban in Afghanistan via FATA. The same notorious agencies are propagating against the ISAF forces to deceive the world media on one hand and motivate the local population for "Jihad" on the other in order to justify its anti-Afghan activities. It is therefore suggested that the world community should pressurise Islamabad so that it stop its interference in the internal affairs of its neighbouring contries specially Afghanistan. A stable Afghanistan is in the best interest of Pakistan as Afghanstan is the gateway for all the trade routes to central Asia. Based on an ambiguous state ideology and having no roots and bonds of integrity among the various nationalities, Pakistan is already on the brink of another collapse due to the prevalent system of injustice and exploitation and therefore is fastly loosing its chances of survival.



Mwaqar

Re: # 26 yes, you are right. karzai is a thankless chap!

#29 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 23, 2008 3:16:06 pm

you're bragging about what will happen in the future...

if wishes were horses, pakis would ride...

#28 Posted by _arjun5 on June 23, 2008 3:06:16 pm
{"indians aren't being whacked by drones...indians aren't being sold to club gitmo.. "}

Arjun,
Wait till Modi ends up in De Hague. Kaheen ka din kaheen ki raat. :)

#27 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 23, 2008 3:01:40 pm

indians aren't being whacked by drones...indians aren't being sold to club gitmo..

#14 Posted by majumdar on June 23, 2008 2:34:08 am
{"Harishbhai,
Our PM is a puppet too.
Regards "}

MAJ Bhai,
You are so right about that one. One of the compelling reasons for Mushy to bend over for Bushy was the spectacle of Swifty Vajpayee doing the can can for the Americans with his dhoti lifted all the wap up to his lips.

{"It may not make much sense to President Karzai but he should understand that blindly towing the line of the US is not good for the fragile peace and stability of the region. In the long run, it is also not in the interest of Afghanistan that is connected to Pakistan with ethnic, cultural and geographical bonds."}

Naqvi Sahib,
Very well-written article with some sound advice for the colorful Karzai. How soon has he forgotten his debt to the land that provided shelter and aid to him and his people during the Communist occupation! Does he remember that India never opposed that Soviet invasion of Afaghanistan?

simon is right-on..bottomline: afganistan and bakistan people are fkedup for a long time to come.

Agent provocateur Karzai, stooge of the oilmen, has been activated. The Untidy Satans want to corner Iran by using Pakistani territory!

well, that is debatable...Pakistan and Afghanistan are like two sides of the same coin!

Re: # 21

Still 70% of Afghan Pushton love General Zia / ML Nawaz. Without Pakistan's approval no political settlement can happen in Afghanistan, no matter how much backhand deals India tries with Northern alliance/ Karzai. Recent events in Pakistan are for time being and in a year or so will settle down. ANP/JUI/ML are very powerful in NWFP and as they have the government their they will ultimately settle down this issue. However, as Oil prices soar, while not having central asia and Iran gas pipeline Indian manufacturing cost will keep climbing up . as well as inflation rate, then we will see how will indians keep their GDP up! Soaring food and Oil prices will reduce buying power every passing month. Pakistan still will get huge investment from Arabs and China as things are settling down already.

It is true that we hate what Karzi said and government of Pakistan showed its disguist in proper way. It does not seem practical that anyone weather India or Afghanistan or even NATO will attack Pakistan. Its just too expensive and too dangerous. Full scale war with a country which has nukes can anhilate the whole region and no one will take that risk. Being said that lets put all this meaningless discussion aside and think what is good for our country. By the end of day Afghanistan is not our issue. Afghans have to solve it from inside their country. If we will get ourselves involved in other countries matter it will take away our time and energy from our own issues. So lets focus on our country and make it stronger. Refuse all NATO aid with thanks and ask them to use some other country for their supplies. Stop our citizens who are in the mind set of carrying weapon and meddling in Afghan issue. On the other hand as far as Kashmir is concerned, that is our strategic issue. I support full proxy war in Kashmir and give them short range missiles like Indians provided in Balochistan. If Indians use air force against Kashmiris then provide them stingers. Trust me Indians can not sustain a war with us. If 43000 dollar per person US economy can not afford to fight few millions, 1000 dollar making Indians will not be able to afford full scale war. A war in which they can not cross border or take land, otherwise you know what will happen. A by product will be that if India has a danger to get involve in full scale war with a nuclear armed country no one will invest in them. Thats what happen to them till 2006 when despite their good progress they got only mediocre foreign investment ( around 3 billion). As soon as Pakistan agreed to make LOC permanent their foriegn investment shot up to 10 billion and their GDP to 9.5 percent otherwise their GDP was mere 5 %. I would never give this opportunity to them without some thing solid in return.

What a pity Mr. Naqvi:

Not long ago Pakistan-the big brother tried everything in its power to make Afghanistan its hinterland for "strategic Depth ' of Pak Generals. Sent trained Jihadis and Talibanis. The little Frankenstein's monsters! Pakistan has been a epicentre of Terrorism! Now it is the blow back and payback times.

How come Pakistanis have sudenly become perfect world citizens abhoring terrorism etc!

kamath

Look, if I were Karzai and if the Pakistanis were harboring the Osama and his people were attacking my country from safe havens inside Pakistan, I would be mad at Pakistanis, too.

In the same vein, if I were a Pakistani and the Amrikkans were beating up the people in my border areas (even though I really have no control over them or the Amrikkans), I would be mad too.

Perhaps the analogy will help some Pakistanis understand why the Indians do not appreciate their "moral" support for the Kashmiri jihadis and Dawood Ibrahim!

Harishbhai,

Let the guy have his say. Chowk after all consists of citizens/ex-citizens of two third rate nations bashing each other all the same.

Regards

Re: # 16

That sums up the paki mind set. They have no idea abou the reality of their own country, they never admit poverty which by all accounts is worse than in india, on percentage basis.

The pakis think that their is a great country and that si why there is no attempt to imrove it. The pakis, with their head stuck in the book, cannot see anything outside.

Of course Majumdar bhai, which is why it is important to accept when you're in the wrong. Instead the dude goes on to berate Karzai when his own President is a US stooge.

It seems to be a game of puppets! Isn't it?

Harishbhai,

Our PM is a puppet too.

Regards

One can only laugh at this. Pakis who had a puppet ruling them for 9 years (and every single ruler before him was a puppet too) are calling Karzai a puppet.

There is so much talk about the cause of paki jihadism, it is due to iraq, due to afghanistan blah blah and has nothing to do with the religious notion of jihad.

hello...why did the muslims do the 9/11. That preceded the iraq and afghnaistan.

Simple, jihad is about killing off the infidels...it is a religious mandate and teh muslims are driven by it with no regard to teh feasibility of doing it..simple.

Re: # 9 Nevertheless, Karzai is a puppet by any definition!

Re: # 9 ye! there is some truth in that!!!

pakistan is a s much a US puppet as Afghanistan's Karzai.The army is dog catcher of USA and so are the politicians.After all who told mush to do the NRO .Pakistan has been doing business in name of Afghanistan as dog catcher of USA since 1979.That is the hard fact.Frankly what is the difference between karzai and gillani or musharraf ? Nil ! They are the same breed who can stand any amount of kicking .All are playing double games and its all about money .

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Behind the scenes, Pakistani bureaucrats and intelligence agencies are playing a marvelous game. On one hand they have been successful in making these yahoo-americans believe that Pakistan is fighting a real battle against the Talibans, and on the other hand they have given ample room for the Talibs to re-organize themselves to fight a long, hard battle that will result in America being chastened and all of (poor, land-locked) Afghanistan eventually dependant on Pakistan for it's every need. If Pakistan stops wheat shipment for a week, Afghanis in Kabul are asking for Karzai's head. Pakistan has got American, European, Indian and Afghani balls in it's hands and with one gentle squeeze, it can make sweet music.

Ather Ather Ather....admit it...you're just lashing out at the loss of paki honor and dignity after NATO shoved a danda up paki mohammeds...

this is nothing but impotent rage from people whose own president is kept alive by american support and american techonology....

Re: # 4 See the picture in a broader context!!!

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Re: # 1 What do you say now?

Re: # 1 Read the whole article yar! Even the title says it all -- that Karzai has full US support!!!

Ather miaN, you don't get it. It is not the fact that Karzai is saying what he is saying - but the fact that he has full US support in saying whatever he is saying.

As far as Pakistani "sovereignity" is concerned....

It is a nice idea!

But, like ghareeb ki bibi ki izzat - it is highly elusive!

And when everything is said and done - Pakistan is a small country and it is perhaps time for it to get used to being a small country.

Of course, it can still claim to be the potential leader of the ummah - but perhaps it should start talking to those other ummah-wallas, especially the Arabs, about that. Perhaps in recognition of that potential, they will give Pakistan a small discount on oil price. Hey, every little bit helps!