Aamir - A Film Review

#50 dost_mittar

[Yes, islam is a common factor in all these and I have never said that Islam is a religion of peace. In fact, I have said elsewhere that the virus of jihad is present in almost all muslims but it is dormant most of the time unless triggered by a sense of injustice. ]

Yes. And this sense of injustice is imaginary, and in some cases self-fulfilling, and mullah/jihadi types use it to the maximum effect to control their flock as well as to further spread the seeds of this insidious ideology.

dost mittar: an imam is an imam. the only difference between a desi imam and a arby imam is that the latter burps in an arabic accent.

hurricane: please give hamidm another chance...he promises to check in with AA.

hamidm:

I think that there is also strong evidence to the contrary. Most Muslim countries, outside the Gulf states, are not run by Sharia and there does not seem to be a huge clamour to do so. I am thinking here of Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Morocco, Tunisia and, of course, Turkey. As I said earlier, Saudi petrodollars are changing the scene somewhat and, if you are concerned about this trend, you should do something about it and try to replace the local saudi-appointed imam with someone from homeland.

chaccha ji,

hamidm is, as he's always been, all yours. Exclusively :)

I did use to read his posts when he was more amusing...

hurricane: masadi forgot to mention that hamidm is six foot seven and walks across Lake Superior (like Jesus) carrying two guys your size, one under each arm (like Babar). So, you better leave hamidm for me to deal with.

Yaar DM Saab,

Marwa diya aap nain. I went and watched the movie after reading you review, but sir ji it was total waste of time. Now tell me how u r gonna pay me back....

dm ji

Please do give a thought to what hamdim2 and masadi bhai are saying.

Just because you are culturally comfortable with Muslims and they with you does NOT mean that a Muslim does not aim for a higher state of moral development. Even when a Muslim lives the life of moral decay (not implying you do), he or she is - if he or she is a Muslim - aware, and conscious, and internally guilty of that living in that decay. And asks Allah for forgiveness and strength to be a real Muslim.

It is a differnet matter if one is not a Muslim at all, and merely uses that idenity for one's convenience.

That is as far as the individual is concerned. At group level, beliefs and such things of even scotch drinkers become far less important. Identity is what matters.

So it's a very powerful way of living and being that 'gets you' (in a good sense) toward the same higher goals one way or another.

Masadi sahib,

you seem to have a lot of "insider" info on hamidm sahib.

I am distressed to learn that he's 500 lbs...if this is so, this is a state of unhealth and his organs and faculties are under great stress. I can only hope that somehow, by the grace of Allah, hamidm sahib will shed all the extra weight he carries around and becomes light and free without baggage.

ameen

hamid writes "..........as individuals they do so even though it is grudgingly and they live in constant fear of hell and damnation while invoking the moon god five times a day to strike and smite the infidels around them for not living by his heavenly commandments and the earthly utterings of his prophet ........ but as soon as two or three of four of get together, they want women off the streets (and i am not talking of hookers), alcohol poured down the sewers, pigs and ahmedis run out of town and hindoos circumcised .......... and it doesn't matter whether they happen to be in toronto or chennai ......."

Mian just because the three relatives you have on your side (who live in chennai) and the two from your wife's side (who live in Toronto) don't know how to act as decent human beings does not mean you generalize that to the entire population of Muslims, doing that is just as illogical as your claim that just because your sprinkler guy "made it" there is upward class mobility in the US. Both claims are nonsense. What you deliberately try to hide is the superior moral development of real Muslims who take self-accountability and social consciousness to a higher level of perfection for personal developement that your demented mentality cannot handle- that is why you are forced to invent bs strawmen or take the crusader's caricature of Islam brought to life, the Mullah as the standard for all Muslims, he is just as "Islamic" as you are "white", you 500lbs f'ck

Re: # 73

dost mittar,

..... you are only half right when you say that muslims "do not mind living in a state which is not run according to political edicts - i.e., sharia - associated with Islam" .......

..........as individuals they do so even though it is grudgingly and they live in constant fear of hell and damnation while invoking the moon god five times a day to strike and smite the infidels around them for not living by his heavenly commandments and the earthly utterings of his prophet ........ but as soon as two or three of four of get together, they want women off the streets (and i am not talking of hookers), alcohol poured down the sewers, pigs and ahmedis run out of town and hindoos circumcised .......... and it doesn't matter whether they happen to be in toronto or chennai .......

Eklavya#70:

You are the expert in this area. Still, I'll try.

Identity is a group concept and when it comes to the question of identity, one is naturally talking of an affinity with the group. But Islam, in my opinion, is somewhat unique in that it has both a political aspect and a spiritual aspect. When I say that most Muslims do not think of political Islam in their daily lives, I mean that they do not mind living in a state which is not run according to political edicts - i.e., sharia - associated with Islam. This would be true of Muslims living in both Muslim majority and Muslim minority countries.

Of course, when the name of Islam is invoked by slogans such as Islam Khatre mein, that dormant strain of political Islam is easily awakened.

"most Muslims are not concerned about political Islam in their daily lives; this is particularly true of subcontinental Msulims whose Islam of dargahs and pirs is not very different from that of their bhajan-singing Hindu counterparts."

I think, in our daily lives, nobody is much concerend with politics. Politics is about groups. Religious politics is about religious groups.

Now, one may say, if one so believes, most Hindus/Muslims/etc are not much concerned about politics between religious groups.

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Sorry about the confusion.

Eklavya#70:

What is the context of your question?

DM ji, may I ask a question?

Can a person be political were he or she to live alone, with no contact with others?

Politics is a group thing. The question of political or non-political arises only in relation to groups.

Instead of saying most Hindus/Muslims/Buddhists/Jains are political (or not) we might want to say most Hindu/Muslim/Buddhist/Jain religious groups are political (or not).

Groups are political (or not), individual's relations to groups are political (or not).

Talking of individuals without relating them to groups is a distraction. Some would be political or not, or more political than others.

Why particularly have higher standard bar to jump to prove indian identity .?


What i.M do
Is abul Kalam irfan Pathan aamir Khan Sharukh k han Salman Khan high enough ?

Are al Hindus christians Jews Zooloos not identified by there religion

Should it be like jews to wear yellow badge of Hitler for I.M. to have shirt made of tiranga and wear 24/7

I look at it this way you can have not one two three or even more identities .Madrasi Indian also muslim And just like Hindian copy from other country like jeans madonna multiplex from Other country yet be considered PATRIOTIC.But that perogative is reserved for Hindians only