Aamir - A Film Review

Re: # 147 Senna,

The Muslim girl was married to one Marathi boy Jadhav. Just imagine if some Hindu had done to his daughter who was married to a Muslim, how much publicity it would have got.

This news almost went unnoticed so Ummah and muslims like you remain in dark. You remain in the ghetto and do not mix with the local community. That breeds hate and suspicion in bothe the communities.

That is why I say Islam needs to be marathiazed, bangaliazed or Kanndized. You have this Senna as your nick, why not Charak or Dhanwantari?

Re: # 146
I didnt read beyond heading .If so it was very cruel.

Do you think this can never happen with any non muslim?

Re: # 144 Senna you are senile. Go to bed. The point was cruelty of it. mother sitting on 18 year old daughter and father cuts her into pieces in front of other younger siblings in the name of Allah for the sake of Ummah.

dost_mutter writes "She also said that nearly 70% of the university students there are girls...."

He said, she said the prime "proof" of the morons...

Re: # 141
Court convicts parents for murdering daughter in MumbaiFont

It wa over reaction & WRONG .Murder suicide in civil conditionis never approved in ay religion Dont mix war police force etc.

If your daughter married any non approved groom would you not be displeased .
RIZWANUR REHMAN DID THE SAME THING .Granted Todi did not kill his daughter but drove the boy to suicide or arranged to be killed .Killing is unjustified in civil social situation.


indian dont do LOVE MARRIAGE .All that is Bollywood and stories statistically .It may be in Abcd which is o.k. here .

I am free again after being illegally detained by the chowk staff for 48 hours even though they claimed it was for 24, may God damn them all

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Mumbai, July 11: Parents of an 18-year-old girl were sentenced to life by a Court in Mumbai for murdering and cutting her into several pieces.
Additional sessions judge O S Jaiswal on Friday held Mohammad Munna Sardar Khan (38) and his wife Shenaz Khan (35) guilty of murdering their daughter on July 2, 2006 and for disposing off her body by cutting it into 11 pieces and dumping them in a gunny bag.

The gruesome act was committed by the parents after their daughter Mehnaz Khan eloped and married a Hindu boy.

The Court, while sentencing them to life imprisonment, observed that it is not a “rarest of the rare case� since they cut her into 11 pieces only after strangulating her to death with a towel.

The Court considering the two accused’s moral responsibility towards their five other children showed leniency and sentenced them to the minimum punishment of life.

Defence Advocate Wahab Khan argued before the Court on Friday, “They committed the murder only to set an example for their two other daughters so that they also do not follow their sister’s track.� On July 2, 2006 Khan and his wife had learnt that their daughter had eloped with a Hindu Maharashtrian boy Vidyanand Jadhav to Panvel and had got married to him there.

When the Khans learnt of it they went to Panvel and pleaded with Mehnaz to return home. Khan and his wife assured Mehnaz that once she comes home they would accept her marrige to Jadhav.

However after she returned home at 2300 hrs, Khan strangulated Mehnaz to death while her mother sat on her to avoid her to escape.

bulleya:

I agree with you re the gulf states (or estates?). They have finally got some englightened emirs who seem to be more progressive than their people. For example, it is they (the emirs) who are pushing for women's votes and seats in parliament. This Kuwaiti girl was telling me that they have two women ministers now even though people did not elect a single woman to the parliament [oh, and I met her at the facility where she has come with her younger sister's treatment for cancer. I am a volunteer there]. She also said that nearly 70% of the university students there are girls. And you are right about south asians there, although it seems that they do like bollywood films of which she seemed to be more up to date than I.

#138 Posted by bulleya on July 11, 2008 7:38:29 am


....i have been spending a lot of time in uae, and am really learning quite a bit about them....my views are slowly starting to change......much like they changed about indians


Much like your views on the t-shirts with paki flags in the US changed when you actually wore one?

dost-mittar #: "Seriously, I was talking to this girl from Kuwait at a hospital facility where I volunteer....Indians in Kuwait without making any distinction between Indians and Pakistanis."

first of all, why have you started talking to young girls at this age of your life......

...arabs are least bothered about south asia......other than the construction companies and telecom companies who want to make money there......

....i have been spending a lot of time in uae, and am really learning quite a bit about them....my views are slowly starting to change......much like they changed about indians, once i started meeting them (not counting most indians on this site)

arabs seem to have a very strong identity of their own.....i assume such confidence comes to people whose ancestors ruled the world.......such confidence is present in europeans, turks etc......and even pathans......

...for obvious reasons it is not present in south asians......it is totally missing in punjabis.....punjab being, perhaps, the most foreign ruled area in the history of the world......in the past 2300 years, ranjit singh being the only punjabi who ruled punjab (until nawaz sharif arrived)......

arabs see south asians as labor....previously they saw south asians as construction labor and taxi driver.....now they see them as IT labor (and as construction labor and taxi drivers)......they don't know the difference between a pathan, a tamil or a punjabi....every one is labor......

having said that, some of these arab sheikhs and their advisors are very bright.....they seem to be getting their act together.......if the wahabi influence in saudi arabia ever ends, these arabs in gcc are going to come back to the forefront again......with or without democracy.....

historically, the arab contribution to everything - science, culture, military, art, philosophy, etc. - , specifically during their islamic phase, has been huge......and i think, deep down inside they all realize that.......

south asians have, on the whole, been, historically, losers.....this, more than religion, is why even pakistanis with die-hard arabic names like gill and rao and rana and chauhan and chandio try to portray themselves as descendants of arabs and not of south asians.....

Re: # 135
Just like all goras look alike atleast to uninitiated Indians (which is both Paki & Bharti)Ukraine to U.K.

"hmm.....could it be......could it just be......could it.....that pakistan should have looked west towards those parts of its roots, which consist of people who ruled the world.......rather than towards the east, towards that part of its roots, who were always ruled......."

Could it be that such tactical g..dugiri brought Pakis into today's dire state?

bulleya#133:

"hmm.....could it be......could it just be......could it.....that pakistan should have looked west towards those parts of its roots, which consist of people who ruled the world.......rather than towards the east, towards that part of its roots, who were always ruled......."

Ah, but Kashmir is in the east.(showing tongue wala ikon!)

Seriously, I was talking to this girl from Kuwait at a hospital facility where I volunteer, and I was reading an Urdu book so she wouldn't know I was an Indian, yet all the time she was talking about Indians in Kuwait without making any distinction between Indians and Pakistanis.

#133 by bulleya

.....that pakistan should have looked west towards those parts of its roots, which consist of people who ruled the world.......rather than towards the east, towards that part of its roots, who were always ruled.......

Captain Clueless, not that you didn't do it. You licked everyone's boots in the hope that they'd throw you a few crumbs. And you should really try harder to look towards the "west" (the middle east that is). Already they look at you as even worse than the Kafir Indians, your doing so will convince them even more.

.....before people give a final verdict on mo' and his men, i would like to encourage them to visit the gulf.......

.....the gcc is about to agree to a common currency, after which, they will become the 16th (??) biggest economic entity in the world......

....goras from far and beyond - uk, canada, usa, and what not - are swarming to dubai and the other sheikhdoms......so much so that all my pakistani friends who migrated there years ago; the same friends whom i used to think weren't intelligent enough to migrate to dearborn and san jose, are now multi-millionaires....they bought one or two apartments, which are now worth millions.....

....an apartment in dubai, worth 1 million four years ago is now selling at 4.5 million dhms.......

.....everyone from donald trump to the icc to premji to spielberg to walt disney is jumping left and right to enter this area.....the biggest investment firm in the world is in abu dhabi, which is buying out crumbling american assets like citibank......the ceo of citibank - the flagship symbol of american finance - was, recently, fired by a prince sitting in the deserts of saudi arabia.....

.....the gulf countries are actually under a lot of pressure to delink their currencies from the dollar, i.e. these arabs, now, think the us dollar is a loser and their currencies are the winners!.......

if i recall correctly, there is only one city in the world that has two builidings over 100 floors......dubai is building ten such buildings.....the two largest islamic banks in the world have been launched there with capital of $1 billion each....

and all of this, without asking their residents for any tax.....

hmm.....could it be......could it just be......could it.....that pakistan should have looked west towards those parts of its roots, which consist of people who ruled the world.......rather than towards the east, towards that part of its roots, who were always ruled.......

p.s. having said that.......dubai did declare a national holiday, when george bush visited......everyone sat at home, while bush was given a tour of dubai......

hamidm2 mian: "...... i will let better men (and women) do the actual fighting while i cheer on from the sidelines..."

..who exactly are these better men and women.....this is my whole point.....there is no one from your side doing the fighting.....everyone is, simply, doing the cheerleading...while on the other side, everyone and their grandmother is fighting.....

the jamia hafsa ladies have been shot at, jailed, killed, humiliated, their kids have been killed, yet they are back again......calm as ever, sitting on the ruins of their madrassah (infact it isn't even theirs, it is owned by the govt.), challenging everyone again.....

while i, totally, disagree with what you believe in, and, generally, disagree with what they believe in, i have to say that if i had to chose between you and umm-e-hassam (the leader of jamia hafsa ladies) supporting me in a streetfight, the choice would be an easy one.......

whom exactly are your cheerleading......who is the roger staubach and troy aikman of your team......

"..... as for urstruly, he has left america..."

when did this happen.....how and why did this happen.....did he leave voluntarily, based on principle, or did his visa expire.......

".....and is right now holed up in a cave somewhere along the pak-afghan border with a one-eyed mullah, a tall arab, and a jackass who has had enough ......."

...if i understand urstruly's personality, he is in the same category as you....he is also a cheerleader only.....his asset is that his team actually has troy aikmans (and now even has martina navratilovas and venus williams).....hence i find it hard to believe that he is in a cave, fighting it out.........

"....these people have the conviction but they will loose because they don't have the bomb or indoor plumbing and have yet to discover toothpaste ...... "

how will they lose......who will defeat them.......i am talking in the context of pakistan here.....who is on your team, in pakistan.........

"......if by any chance they win and the moslem hordes from dearborn take over michigan, i will simply move to alaska or the peoples republic of canada ..."

....while i don't respect cowards.....at least you are an honest coward......

p.s. canadians hate bush and the republicans.......hence alaska would be a better option.......

#121 hamidm you coward!! cant handle poor deluded masadi's rantings on chowk, and you talk about nuking fata and talk nazi-style about final solution for muslims!!

Re: # 128

Kaal speaks in riddles, but he essential says same thing as hamid... you have to understand the basest tendencies of the muslim population and know how to control/counter them...

I know this will not go down very well with a lot of people - but it's also called the "hinduisation" of muslims... it's not politically correct, but it works... from india to indonesia - it has worked for centuries... The recent wahabi surge notwithstanding....

anil

Hamidm's point, if I understand correctly, is that - nobody should ever pander to the muslim fundamentalist tendencies... as long as that is under control, things should be fine more or less...

your statement is true is general - democracy/ economy/ empowerment is necessary but not sufficient... Situation in britain is the prime example - Britland has the best democracy/ economy/ empowerment anywhere in the world - but hasn't made a damn difference to the muslim population... Mostly because Britain has pandered to the fundamentalists and have not figured out how to control them...

india ain't going to come even close to Brits on democracy/ economy/ empowerment department for long time to come, but that does not mean india has to suffer from radical islamism either... as long as india follows the simple prescription as mentioned above... which it has, barring exceptions... Which is why you don't see many indian muslims in Gitmo or global jihad...

Mohar,
"Hamid Mian, in his usual indomiable and crude style, has spoken the truth, bitter as it may be..."

Or is he trying to be Eklavya from the wrong side of the border :)

Re: # 125

Mohar:

"...has spoken the truth, bitter as it may be..."

Truth is always subjective to what we know. I prefer perception over truth. Today's India will change perception, I am very optimistic and bullish about it. Many perceptions, including those of Hindutva wadis, and Muslim Indians are going to change. India democracy, however defective, allows this to happen.

Please don't believe Hamidm sahib on this. He probably hasn't been to even his hometown in a long time.

Re: # 121

Hamidm sahib:

"...masadi is banned ! .... al-lah be praised..."

Massaddi Mian does not show resilience of Arjun. Arjun is now at Arjun10. Massaddi Mian please do not be so rigid.

You can learn from your enemies too, including Hamidm and Tahmed sahib. If not please learn diplomacy from Cliftonbridge.

anil

Hamid Mian, in his usual indomiable and crude style, has spoken the truth, bitter as it may be...

Re: # 114

Hamidm sahib:

"..... keep a close eye on them and as long as they restrict their ummah related activities to cheering for the paki cricket team, secretly making fun of the elephant nosed one, making a little trouble in kashmir and blowing up a pan shop or two in bombay,.."

Is this your new found passion? Please fix the auto industry, so that your grandchildren do not driving Tata Motors. You are already tired of code coolies. Please think about your Michigan born grand children - unka kya hoga.

People like Farzana can take care of many hindutva wadis for Muslim Indians. Rest economics, education and female empowerment will.

Congratulations Farzana, on your book, how can I get a signed copy of your book?

#122 cliftonbridge

[hamidm sahab what kind of muslim admits their limitations so frankly on this enemy website ? we are all starting to doubt tales of your circumcision ! ]

Yes, what kind of Muslim would do this? By the way, how long do you think he would last on the streets of Karachi or Islamabad or any place where the peaceful religion is in the majority, if people there knew him from his posts here at Chowk?

hamidm sahab what kind of muslim admits their limitations so frankly on this enemy website ? we are all starting to doubt tales of your circumcision !

masadi is banned ! .... al-lah be praised

.....i thought he was infesting some other board ..... unlike tahmed, who is supported by the aarp and the gay and lesbian muslim community of greater baltimore, i have the capacity and bandwidth to monitor only one board at a time ......

I personally think hamidm sahib is ticked off because masadi has stopped charging at his deliberate red flags ...its because he is banned hamidm jee, - not because he doesnt love you anymore :)

fight the good fight chachoo! hum aapke saath hain!

#118 i think we already solved the question of which one of the two of is the 'bewakoof'. now we are trying to understand the final solution to the muslim problem that is the outcome of mixing a bewakoof with booze.

Re: # 117

tahmed,

oye, bewakoof ! ... by the grace of the moon god i am still gainfully emplyed and have only so much time to spend arguing with menopausal retirees, slacker code coolies and stay at home welfare mamas ..... and there is only so much you can do when you are sitting in all-day meetings trying to stay awake and solve the problems of the us automobile industry and other dinosaurs ........

... so what was the question ?.... oh, gujrat is just a small part of india where the moslems might have been tamed (temporarily) by modi and his hindoo lashkars, but the tiger is far from dead ..... that is why i warned our scrawny veggie fed friend arjun to be careful .......

alas. hamidm moves in high circles now. and has no time to respond to expound on his thoughts when requested. :-(

and how do you ride a tiger you have just killed anyway? (given your applause of the gujerat killings as the final solution to the muslim problem?)

hamidm: it that a pink tiger you see modi riding in mid-air?

Re: # 113

arjun mian,

..... like i said, you guys have done a good job of domesticating the beast, but you are still riding a tiger .....

..........if i were you i would not trust an indian-muslim as far as i can throw them ..... keep a close eye on them and as long as they restrict their ummah related activities to cheering for the paki cricket team, secretly making fun of the elephant nosed one, making a little trouble in kashmir and blowing up a pan shop or two in bombay, you guys will be just fine ......... and who knows, one of these days these trouble makers might revert back to the religion of their forefathers proving once and for all that bhagwan is bigger and badder than al-lah ..........

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Re: # 98 hamidm
[...the gujrati muslims went against their god ... by supporting the sale of occupied muslim lands...]

Well, may be gujrati muslim god is different from the original bedouin god... this is what is called hinduization of islam... looks like the "experiment" is working...

Re: # 110


....psychiatry

Re: # 107; tahmed

I thought it was yoga you practiced?.....now psyciatry too

we learn something every day

why Tahmed, because you are called out on ur vacillating views? :) a fluttering tittering dithering little child u are.

Re: # 105; tahmed

I think the Gujeratis are a special breed somehow.......look what two "distinguished" Gujeratis achieved for one fourth of the human race

my new mental patient hamidm has disappeared. :-(

#104 i think you better stick to unplugged with slider and teefah who enjoy doing that to you.

#103 so you agree with hamidm that it was good that the gujerati muslims were killed?

tahmed is still trying to bring the glorious revolution to pakistan. He was fluttering about like a little school girl talking about the new dawn for pakistan, messiah zardari and his apostle nawaz saving the country from the evil Mushy...then they turned out to be false prophets...so tahmed waits...he waits to the one eyed dajjal to rise in NWFP and The Messiah Obama to carpetbomb the fk out of the entire NWFP. ain't that right, tahmed :)

Re: # 102

aha...but that was known long ago tahmed bhai

"in vino veritas"......or words to that affect

#101 look what it has done to poor hamidm?

Re: # 99; tahmed

what do you have against drinking all of a sudden?....next you'd try to tell us it is haram or something

hamidm: on a bright note, you have driven arjun to sanity (at least temporarily). even he is wondering how you reach the conclusion that it was good that the gujerati muslims died.

on a less bright note, you have replaced arjun as the resident psychopath.

hamidm: what time do you start drinking in the morning?

Re: # 96

arjun mian,

"How is gujrati muslims supporting the rights of their fellow citizens the same as supporting the hanging of a blasphemer"

..... actually, it is much more significant ... the gujrati muslims went against their god and prophet and stabbed their brothers in the back by supporting the sale of occupied muslim lands to hindoo occupiers ...... it would be equivalent to west bank palestianians supporting the sale of land in ramallah to orthodox jews from brooklyn ......

...... you should be grateful to modi and his trishul bearing warriors for finally domesticating the troublesome moslems in your midst .......

romair to hamidm: ".at some point, you (and urstruly) will have to realize that if you want to be a part of the war, you need to jump into the battlefield.."

isnt jumping into the bOttlefield good enough?

#93 Posted by dost_mittar on July 10, 2008 6:33:29 am


Muslims in Gujarat went to the extent of taking out a procession against the Kashmir govt's revocation of the land for hindu pilgrims. This would be like Hindus in Pakistan taking out a procession in support of the hanging a blasphemer.


How is gujrati muslims supporting the rights of their fellow citizens the same as supporting the hanging of a blasphemer...?

unless you're equating giving someone the right to buy land with killing people because they didn't put a pbuh after mo?

Re: # 93

dost,

... that is exactly what i was trying to say .... you guys, in spite of being veggie eaters, have managed to put the fear of bhagwan in the muslims of gujarat and put them on the straight and narrow instead of the sirat-ul-mustaqeen to hell .......... see, it wasn't that difficult now, was it? ..... we could have done the same thing thing at lal masjid but we did not have the gonads ..........

Re: # 91

romair,

..... like the dallas cowgirls, i am just a cheerleader and have absolutely no desire to jump into the fray ...... i will let better men (and women) do the actual fighting while i cheer on from the sidelines sipping merlot and mucnching on melon and poscuitto ...... life is too precious

..... as for urstruly, he has left america and is right now holed up in a cave somewhere along the pak-afghan border with a one-eyed mullah, a tall arab, and a jackass who has had enough .......these people have the conviction but they will loose because they don't have the bomb or indoor plumbing and have yet to discover toothpaste ...... if by any chance they win and the moslem hordes from dearborn take over michigan, i will simply move to alaska or the peoples republic of canada ...

hamidm2#87:

"- i haven't heard of a muslim problem there since then - have you ?"

This is the scary part. I noted in the Amarnath board that Muslims in Gujarat went to the extent of taking out a procession against the Kashmir govt's revocation of the land for hindu pilgrims. This would be like Hindus in Pakistan taking out a procession in support of the hanging a blasphemer.

On a sidenote, can't we punjabis standardise our phonetics in Roman script? we use phugto, bhugto, bugto, pugto for the same sound.

Re: # 91

that's not half bad romair!

khuda hafiz for now

hamidm mian #: ....at some point, you (and urstruly) will have to realize that if you want to be a part of the war, you need to jump into the battlefield......

(both of) you cannot fight your battles from the sidelines, in the comforts of an air-conditioned study room in michigan, encouraging others to do all the fighting....

...the ladies of jamia hafsa have you by your balls.....and they are twisting them hard.....your replies are thus nothing but frustrated cries of pain, felt as they twist......they are winning simply because they are willing to jump into their battles, wholeheartedly........while you are too scared to do so......

....your only asset is that, on the jamia hafsa side, there are plenty of urstrulies also, who share your approach to battle......

your convictions (or lack theereof)is why your side is losing......and urstruly's conviction (or lack thereof) is why your side hasn't totally lost out yet......

Re: # 89

(re: Hafiz) very true sir

"khaak mein keya sooratein hon gi ke pinhaan ho gaeen"

Re: # 88

.... they don't make men like hafiz asad anymore ! ...... even mo of mecca did the right thing for his cause at khandaq by taking care of the pesky jewish tribes in one night and the jesus loving puritans did what they had to do in new england ........ heck, even the veggie eating horrible hindoos took care of business in gujarat - i haven't heard of a muslim problem there since then - have you ? ....

Re: # 87; hamidm sahib

it was a bit before my time but do you recall the "huma" and "aleppo" solution in northern Syria by the Alawite Hafiz Asad?

.... i don't want to say 'i told you so', but does anyone remember that i had suggested dropping a couple of twenty thousand pound bombs on lal masjid to exterminate these jihadi breeders ? ........ now these 3000 she devils will go on to produce 18-24000 wild eyed soldiers for the moon god's army ........ phugto ! ........ i suggest we turn them loose in kashmir, hyderabad, mumbai, delhi and eklavya's home town since he loves them so much ......

ISLAMABAD: About 3,000 Islamist women gathered at the radical Lal Masjid in the capital on Wednesday and vowed to raise their children for jihad, days after a suicide bomber killed 19 people after a similar rally on July 6. Chanting slogans of “jihad is our way�, burqa-clad women, some carrying babies, listened to fiery speeches from the daughter of the mosque’s jailed cleric on the eve of the anniversary of a raid on the complex in which more than 100 people died. “Our mujahideen laid down their lives for the enforcement of the Islamic system in Pakistan. We are left behind to carry forward their mission,� the daughter of cleric Abdul Aziz told the tightly guarded rally in the mosque compound.

DM Sahib,

this is not one of your better writings on CHOWK,

but the message is a valid one.

Ras

#51 dost_mittar

[...and I thought that you were a friend of the horrible ones. But I do agree that India should give up Kashmir and get rid of this "Nasoor" once and for all. ]

I don't think we should give up Kashmir. This would only encourage the ummah - there are 150 million+ Muslims in India, and growing - it would be a matter of time before another chunk would be bitten off.

One has to take a stand somewhere.

#50 dost_mittar

[Yes, islam is a common factor in all these and I have never said that Islam is a religion of peace. In fact, I have said elsewhere that the virus of jihad is present in almost all muslims but it is dormant most of the time unless triggered by a sense of injustice. ]

Yes. And this sense of injustice is imaginary, and in some cases self-fulfilling, and mullah/jihadi types use it to the maximum effect to control their flock as well as to further spread the seeds of this insidious ideology.

dost mittar: an imam is an imam. the only difference between a desi imam and a arby imam is that the latter burps in an arabic accent.

hurricane: please give hamidm another chance...he promises to check in with AA.

hamidm:

I think that there is also strong evidence to the contrary. Most Muslim countries, outside the Gulf states, are not run by Sharia and there does not seem to be a huge clamour to do so. I am thinking here of Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Morocco, Tunisia and, of course, Turkey. As I said earlier, Saudi petrodollars are changing the scene somewhat and, if you are concerned about this trend, you should do something about it and try to replace the local saudi-appointed imam with someone from homeland.

chaccha ji,

hamidm is, as he's always been, all yours. Exclusively :)

I did use to read his posts when he was more amusing...

hurricane: masadi forgot to mention that hamidm is six foot seven and walks across Lake Superior (like Jesus) carrying two guys your size, one under each arm (like Babar). So, you better leave hamidm for me to deal with.

Yaar DM Saab,

Marwa diya aap nain. I went and watched the movie after reading you review, but sir ji it was total waste of time. Now tell me how u r gonna pay me back....

dm ji

Please do give a thought to what hamdim2 and masadi bhai are saying.

Just because you are culturally comfortable with Muslims and they with you does NOT mean that a Muslim does not aim for a higher state of moral development. Even when a Muslim lives the life of moral decay (not implying you do), he or she is - if he or she is a Muslim - aware, and conscious, and internally guilty of that living in that decay. And asks Allah for forgiveness and strength to be a real Muslim.

It is a differnet matter if one is not a Muslim at all, and merely uses that idenity for one's convenience.

That is as far as the individual is concerned. At group level, beliefs and such things of even scotch drinkers become far less important. Identity is what matters.

So it's a very powerful way of living and being that 'gets you' (in a good sense) toward the same higher goals one way or another.

Masadi sahib,

you seem to have a lot of "insider" info on hamidm sahib.

I am distressed to learn that he's 500 lbs...if this is so, this is a state of unhealth and his organs and faculties are under great stress. I can only hope that somehow, by the grace of Allah, hamidm sahib will shed all the extra weight he carries around and becomes light and free without baggage.

ameen

hamid writes "..........as individuals they do so even though it is grudgingly and they live in constant fear of hell and damnation while invoking the moon god five times a day to strike and smite the infidels around them for not living by his heavenly commandments and the earthly utterings of his prophet ........ but as soon as two or three of four of get together, they want women off the streets (and i am not talking of hookers), alcohol poured down the sewers, pigs and ahmedis run out of town and hindoos circumcised .......... and it doesn't matter whether they happen to be in toronto or chennai ......."

Mian just because the three relatives you have on your side (who live in chennai) and the two from your wife's side (who live in Toronto) don't know how to act as decent human beings does not mean you generalize that to the entire population of Muslims, doing that is just as illogical as your claim that just because your sprinkler guy "made it" there is upward class mobility in the US. Both claims are nonsense. What you deliberately try to hide is the superior moral development of real Muslims who take self-accountability and social consciousness to a higher level of perfection for personal developement that your demented mentality cannot handle- that is why you are forced to invent bs strawmen or take the crusader's caricature of Islam brought to life, the Mullah as the standard for all Muslims, he is just as "Islamic" as you are "white", you 500lbs f'ck

Re: # 73

dost mittar,

..... you are only half right when you say that muslims "do not mind living in a state which is not run according to political edicts - i.e., sharia - associated with Islam" .......

..........as individuals they do so even though it is grudgingly and they live in constant fear of hell and damnation while invoking the moon god five times a day to strike and smite the infidels around them for not living by his heavenly commandments and the earthly utterings of his prophet ........ but as soon as two or three of four of get together, they want women off the streets (and i am not talking of hookers), alcohol poured down the sewers, pigs and ahmedis run out of town and hindoos circumcised .......... and it doesn't matter whether they happen to be in toronto or chennai .......

Eklavya#70:

You are the expert in this area. Still, I'll try.

Identity is a group concept and when it comes to the question of identity, one is naturally talking of an affinity with the group. But Islam, in my opinion, is somewhat unique in that it has both a political aspect and a spiritual aspect. When I say that most Muslims do not think of political Islam in their daily lives, I mean that they do not mind living in a state which is not run according to political edicts - i.e., sharia - associated with Islam. This would be true of Muslims living in both Muslim majority and Muslim minority countries.

Of course, when the name of Islam is invoked by slogans such as Islam Khatre mein, that dormant strain of political Islam is easily awakened.

"most Muslims are not concerned about political Islam in their daily lives; this is particularly true of subcontinental Msulims whose Islam of dargahs and pirs is not very different from that of their bhajan-singing Hindu counterparts."

I think, in our daily lives, nobody is much concerend with politics. Politics is about groups. Religious politics is about religious groups.

Now, one may say, if one so believes, most Hindus/Muslims/etc are not much concerned about politics between religious groups.

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Sorry about the confusion.

Eklavya#70:

What is the context of your question?

DM ji, may I ask a question?

Can a person be political were he or she to live alone, with no contact with others?

Politics is a group thing. The question of political or non-political arises only in relation to groups.

Instead of saying most Hindus/Muslims/Buddhists/Jains are political (or not) we might want to say most Hindu/Muslim/Buddhist/Jain religious groups are political (or not).

Groups are political (or not), individual's relations to groups are political (or not).

Talking of individuals without relating them to groups is a distraction. Some would be political or not, or more political than others.

Why particularly have higher standard bar to jump to prove indian identity .?


What i.M do
Is abul Kalam irfan Pathan aamir Khan Sharukh k han Salman Khan high enough ?

Are al Hindus christians Jews Zooloos not identified by there religion

Should it be like jews to wear yellow badge of Hitler for I.M. to have shirt made of tiranga and wear 24/7

I look at it this way you can have not one two three or even more identities .Madrasi Indian also muslim And just like Hindian copy from other country like jeans madonna multiplex from Other country yet be considered PATRIOTIC.But that perogative is reserved for Hindians only

chaccha ji,

hamidm sahib is merely crying out for help. One should see beyond the belligerent oafish proclamations to the hurt that resonates within them. He has been wronged, and you should help him heal.

I remember Hamidm/Urstruly duets, but they were not half as funny as this.

akcheema/nb: please, no applause. we must have silence in the room. uncle sri ram hamidm needs to concentrate..it is not easy to think straight in his condition..

cheema, nb:

You should have seen hamid-urstruly twosomes; they were a real barn-burners.

its a ditto replica of a filipino movie that came out last year and won some awards at either canes or redford's film festival. The name is escaoing me rite now..i havent seen aamir but the filipino movie was very good

Re: # 62; nb

I am afraid I have beaten you to it!....read below..."Derby & Jones".

HamidM2 and Tahmed32 Unkils, have you two ever considered a stage show?
If you ever do, remember it was my idea first.

hamidm: you are the one who studiously ignores facts (e.g. as presented in #46/7) in reaching conclusions, not me. Guess which one between the two of us fits the definition of a 'bewakoof'?

as for muslims individually being OK but a menace in two's and three's, i hate to break it to you sri ram jee, but you have more than one muslim posing as a family member in your household. so be afraid....be very afraid!!

Re: # 58

dost-mittar,

... you make a good argument, but it is academic ...... asking a muslim to give precedence to their national identity over their muslim identity is an excercise in futility since it goes against the basic tenents of islam .....

Re: # 56

tahmed,

... you should have been married to cleopatra - you would make a perfect king of denial ......

....bewakoof! .... most moslems, or muslims as you like to like call them, are okay as individuals - it is only when they get together in twos and threes and fours that they become a threat to mankind ... that is why in my post to dost-mittar ji i specifically used the term "sizeable minority" ..... and this threat goes back all the way to the time of the first moslem : mo of mecca was not a threat to infidels of mecca until he found a few friends and nephews and became a pain in the keester and started clamoring for destroying their idols and whatnot ......the same thing is happening in bradford and bombay, and will happen in brooklyn .....

hamidm#55

I always make a distinction between Islam and Muslims; while much of what you say about Islam may be true, most Muslims are not concerned about political Islam in their daily lives; this is particularly true of subcontinental Msulims whose Islam of dargahs and pirs is not very different from that of their bhajan-singing Hindu counterparts. Yes, this is changing somewhat under the influence of petrodollars but that is another story.

The Hindus in India could have adopted your recommended course in 1947 but they rejected it; Muslims who felt strongly about living with a Hindu majority also went to Pakistan. The problems India has now wrt its Muslims are due more to Hindu politicians, including godless commies, than to Muslims themselves; they have found electoral gains in encouraging a separate Muslim identity instead of asking them to give precedence to their Indian identity. But this too has run its course because, now, the BJP has started to play upon the historical Hindu insecurities of being overwhelmed by Muslims and has been quite successful, especially with educated Hindus as is evident from this website.

I may add that western societies made the same mistake of encouraging separateness among its Muslim immigrants but white man being smarter has realised his mistake and has now started to backtrack.

Re: # 56

you two are like the "Derby and Jones" of chowk!!

LOL!!

namaste pandit hamidm-jee #51 jai sri ram kee.

you are in great danger. you have to sleep under the same roof with a muslim terrorist pretending to be your patni-jee. hai ram!!

indeed, is not just this terrorist disguised as your patni jee. i must sadly inform you that there is a vast muslim conspiracy against you: it is not just panti jee, sri hamidm-jee, but your entire parivaar. :-(

laikin chintaa na karyo, sri ram jee. tahmed (i am in fact secret agent 008 from RAW posing as a pakistani, but dont tell anyone) will save you (and the world) from this vast muslim conspiracy!! but first, I want you to do something...turn in this muslim terrorist pretending to be patni-jee to the FBI. master arjun (who, i can tell you in the strictest confidence of course, is in fact a havaldar from RAW who assists me in my dangerous work of dealing with these muslims) will be glad to help you in case you are overpowered by this terrrorist who pretends to be patni-jee.

Re: # 51

dost-mittar,

.... on a serious note, i think india is in for a lot of trouble with its muslim population .... it is not possible for a sizeable muslim minority anywhere to peacefully live with a infidel majority ..... name one country where moslems have lived in harmony without separating or dominating - serbia, malaysia and the central asian republics are prime examples .... even china is at risk unless it wipes out its moslem population ....... islam is not just another religion with silly superstitions and ridiculous rituals - it is a political ideology that seeks to dominate the world (if it can) ......

... i am at an age where i get to go to a lot of weddings, and lately some funerals, and i have hardly ever seen a horrible hindoo at an indian muslim wedding ..... like most white americans who claim to have invisible black friends, indian hindoos also claim to have 'many' muslim friends, but i have yet to see any ........ what gives ?

..... i honestly think you guys should agree to a voluntary separation from your moslems unless you want to end up in dhimmitude like your forefathers .........

Re: # 39
"india would be better off giving up kashmir, hyderabad, bihar, up and other moslem infested states"

how about?

india would be better off giving up kashmiri, hyderabadi, bihari, up and other moslems from infested states to pakistan

Re: # 50

"the virus of jihad is present in almost all muslims but it is dormant most of the time unless triggered by a sense of injustice."

Sense of injustice to muslim might be this when their rise more than 30% is that you kafir exist and your good looking teen age daughter is not his 4th wife. For your life after death you need to be momeen and yur teen age daughter need to serve the momeen. Yes, they have a justful demand.

arjun#41:

My post#50 to ajeya applies to you too.


friend#43:

The points you raise are not that improbable: the customs inspector does not single him out because of any prior info. but because Aamir is a muslim, the recent cases of a British doctor terrorist of Indian origin may also be considered as a factor. His luggage is not lost by accident. He does have money and he was willing to give it all to the street hooker; he could not call any friend because his life is taken over by the telephone voice and he is returning to Mumbai after a long time, so may not remember their phone numbers.
I have already indicated the improbable premises of the film.

hamidm#39:

"..... india would be better off giving up kashmir, hyderabad, bihar, up and other moslem infested states .."

...and I thought that you were a friend of the horrible ones. But I do agree that India should give up Kashmir and get rid of this "Nasoor" once and for all.

ajeya#37:

Yes, islam is a common factor in all these and I have never said that Islam is a religion of peace. In fact, I have said elsewhere that the virus of jihad is present in almost all muslims but it is dormant most of the time unless triggered by a sense of injustice.

#48 Posted by aslam644 on July 8, 2008 3:26:11 pm


actually muslims/pakistanis were progressing by leaps and bounds in every field in the UK before this war on terror


I didn't realize bradford and beeston were being bombed in the war on terrorism..

regardless, your claim of progress is BS...I'm sure you'll be able to find the income/education/unemployment numbers pre- 9/11..

and let's not forget...brit-pakis were active in jihad - the jihad in kashmir - way before 9/11..

Re: # 41
actually muslims/pakistanis were progressing by leaps and bounds in every field in the UK before this war on terror, big setback for us, but we shall overcome.

there is a kashmiri kuri riazat butt voted sexy reporter by a girlie mag even though she fat.

and when the taliban required hindus to wear the yellow star in imitating the Nazis, the buffoons were ironically apeing the very religious intolerance that required muslims in europe to wear the yellow star along with the jews as mentioned below.

hurricane #42 Actually both you and hamidm are wrong. Jews were persecuted in europe basically for the same reasons muslims are persecuted in gujerat, Ahmedis are persecuted in Pakistan. That is - on account of religious differences. And contrary to common conception, jews were not notably better off than the average christian. Indeed the very term "ghetto" referred to the impoverished quarters where jews were forced to live in europe!!

Not just this - this religious intolerance extended not just to jews but to muslims as well. thus, e.g., according to Barbara Tuchman writes in "The 15th century: A Distant Mirror", BOTH jews and muslims were required to wear the yellow star in france in the 15th century (which gained infamy when Nazis resurrected that practice in WWII for jews).

PS to Hamidm: You can now forget I wrote the above. After all, we dont want you to lose your focus on denigrating "mohammedans" by introducing contradictory facts..

mohar

"where as I am the hater, blowing up pizza joints all over the place..."

yes, you should consider not doing that anymore...get rid of that hatred, and set yerself free !

Re: # 31 hoori

yep, I know you pakis are filled with love and harmony for all as recommended by religion of peace... where as I am the hater, blowing up pizza joints all over the place...

Ha ha...

DM
Overall it is a highly improbable story. Someone keeps track of a person coming from a foreign country, somehow knows which custom officer he is going to meet, also ensures that his luggage will get lost, and this person doesn't have money or some friend that he can reach in such emergency. A totally unbelievable story. There are are dozens of way to put bomb ina bus rather than going through this clockwork operation where everything can go wrong.
So I would say 1 out of 10.

hamidm

I agree with this part
"..... i think you have it backwards: jews were persecuted because of their extraordinary accomplishments and continued to excel in every sphere of human endeavour in spite of the persecution .........."

and here you're just being an offensive oaf
"...... this is in stark contrast to the mohammedans who were not persecuted, accomplished nothing, contributed nothing in the last seven hundred uyears and yet continue to whine and wallow in self-pity and go around blaming everyone and his menopausal aunt for their misery ....."

#36 Posted by dost_mittar on July 8, 2008 1:02:35 pm

so brit-pakis, who have opportunities the vast majority of muslims can only dream of, become terrorists because have a "sense of injustice"..

saudis, who have access to more opportunities than indians, become terrorists because have a "sense of injustice"..

what's next: nazis did what they did because they had a "sense of injustice"?

#35 Posted by aslam644 on July 8, 2008 11:59:37 am


“Between 1951 and 2000


hello..the holocaust happened before 1951..but i'm sure you knew that...

look..you brit-pakis can whine about persecution all you want..the fact is that you all are way behind other non-majority groups..and it's your own damn fault..

dost-mittar,

..... indians will rue the day they let the moslems live on among them .... most indian moslems are jihadis in waiting and sooner or later will wage war against the infidel ..... india would be better off giving up kashmir, hyderabad, bihar, up and other moslem infested states .......

Re: # 35

aslam mian,

..... i think you have it backwards: jews were persecuted because of their extraordinary accomplishments and continued to excel in every sphere of human endeavour in spite of the persecution ..........

...... this is in stark contrast to the mohammedans who were not persecuted, accomplished nothing, contributed nothing in the last seven hundred uyears and yet continue to whine and wallow in self-pity and go around blaming everyone and his menopausal aunt for their misery ......

#36 dost_mittar

[Different places, different factors. In India, it was triggered by Ayodhya, etc. Same in Palestine. But in UK and Europe, it is a combination of the sense of injustice fuelled by the concept of Umma. ]

That's right - there's a different explanation for every other country - feudal/communist China, Thailand, Myanmar, Indonesia, Malayasia, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Yugoslavia, Russia, Germany, Sweden, France, England, Netherlands, England, USA, Sudan, Somalia and so on....

Everybody else is responsible. And the common thread of Islam is just a coincidence that applies in a tangential way only sometimes.

So Islamic anti-hindu activities in India started by Hindus destroying a mosque that was built after destroying a temple to one of their most revered religious icons (though not killing any Muslims). Hmmm.... Now where did I read that Muslims have been butchering hindus and destroying their temples for many centuries? Must be something I smoked.

arjun#34:

Different places, different factors. In India, it was triggered by Ayodhya, etc. Same in Palestine. But in UK and Europe, it is a combination of the sense of injustice fuelled by the concept of Umma.

“Between 1951 and 2000 jews won 32% of the noble prize for medicine.

For physics 32%

For economics 39%

For science 29%

This despite many of our best and brightest intellects dying in the gas chambers�

This begs the question if they were so persecuted, how come they achieved so much, this should dispel the myth of persecution once and for all, because they dominate Hollywood and western media, they have mastered the art of playing the sympathy card.

#33 Posted by dost_mittar on July 8, 2008 11:00:02 am

Good..we've made some progress...we've moved on from the injustices are the prime motivator to religious indoctrination is the prime motivation..

arjun:

you are confusing me with someone else; I did not say that islamic jihad is unrelated to religious beliefs.

arjun:

you are confusing me with someone else; I did not say that islamic jihad is unrelated to religious beliefs.

mohar,

I am all about love and harmony my friend, you seem to be hell bent on hatred.

the only one you end up hurting is yourself. :(

#21 Posted by dost_mittar on July 8, 2008 7:44:25 am


Yes, militancy in Kashmir


Oh..so you do admit there was militancy before babri..and jihadis were blowing up shit before america invaded iraq..

what about the brit-paki subway bombers..what excuse do you have for them...or the 9/11 saudis?

truth:

These are all allegations. In any case, let us return to the film, if we can.

hint: people who lost the detonator evidences provided by India to show involvement of Pakistan in 1993 mumbai bombing were also behind bhinderwale.

"
As for the Air India bombings, the perpetrators were saved from punishment by the bungling by the Canadian security agents and the silencing, including the killing, of anyone in the community who dared to testify against them."

hint: people who lost the detonator evidences provided by India to show involvement of Pakistan were behind bhinderwale.

railway strike in 74 was also by the same folks.

source for funding for some chauhan dude and bhindranwale is also same.

india had to pay for having friendship treaty with USSR.

Punjab problem is externally induced from the word go.

truth100#18;

Saudi funding has certainly contributed to the expansion of puritanical islam at the expense of the more moderate sufi islam in India, but is not directly responsible for muslim alienation in India.

As for the Air India bombings, the perpetrators were saved from punishment by the bungling by the Canadian security agents and the silencing, including the killing, of anyone in the community who dared to testify against them. Nothing to do with Pakistan or Muslims; in fact, a Muslim journalist has been the most persistent in investigating the crime.

How sad is this? Aslam is a Brit-pakistani and he thinks there was no persecution of Jews in pre-Nazi Western Europe?
How can we hope for madarsa educated children when the British state system produces this?

Re: # 18 dost,

islamic millitancy was going to happen in india anyway because of saudi funding. punjab millitancy was because of pakistan. who do you think is protecting the Air India plane bombers in Canada? why the ignitors of bombs in 93 were made in US and were shipped from pakiland?

Re: # 20

Sometimes I think Kaal is right after all - hanoods are giving up too much space to these people - who in turn contribute nothing and actually do more harm than any good to the overall development of india and its society...

Really sad...

Re: # 8 hoori
[..it is another way to show the "bad muslims" ain't it :)..]

What's wrong with that?... if you want, you can go ahead make a movie to show bad hanoods ... although that would be pointless, you have "bad hanoods" in your textbooks...

I mean you muslims literally teach your kids how bad hanoods are... this is just a movie and yet you are complaining... man, you pakis are such idiots...

arjun#19:

Yes, militancy in Kashmir was also due to the constant rigging of the electoral process in that state by the central government.
As for militancy in the Muslim world in general, that is not identical to the Indian situation.

Aslam#16:

There is no persecution of Muslims in India; there numbers are growing and Muslims from Bangladesh are flocking to India illegally to join them. Discrimination is mostly in terms of economics and in a general suspicion of their loyalty, for which they have to blame themselves to a large extent. When a Muslim elected to be a Minister in the government announces a reward of Rs. 50 lakhs to anyone who kills a Danish cartoonist for his "gustakhi" against the Prophet, he fans such suspicions.

#18 Posted by dost_mittar on July 8, 2008 7:35:22 am

what about the militancy in kashmir..that began in 1989..

of course, unlike the vast majority of indians, you might not consider that a part of india.

pray tell..why are there ZERO indians in gitmo and a whole bunch pf pakis? why were the majority of the 9/11 terrorists from saudi arabia..a country that gives it's citizens pretty much free health care and the ability to study in the US on the government's dime..

injustice my mohammed...

arjun_m:

Yes, arjun, it is the sense of injustice that drives militancy, whether it was the Sikh militancy, Naxalites or Islamic militancy. Was there any Muslim militancy in India before the demolition of Babri masjid?
No, this does not justify terrorism, but it would be foolish to close your eyes to what precipitates it.

#16 Posted by aslam644 on July 8, 2008 7:09:21 am


Contrary to what jews would have us believe there were no persecution of them in western Europe

YGSM...you've gotta be shitting me..

Dost mitter sahib

Are muslims in India discriminated against or persecuted as well.

Contrary to what jews would have us believe there were no persecution of them in western Europe after enlightenment only some discrimination nazis were an aberration.
For jews to have achieved so much in academia, business etc, that wouldn’t have been possible if they had been persecuted.

#14 Posted by dost_mittar on July 8, 2008 6:14:18 am

now you're saying naxalites are the equivalent of your islamic jihadi buddies?

nb#12:

"Dostmittar, have you not seen any poor Hindus in bastis?"

yes, and they too have the potential of turning a hindu into a naxalite.

But I never said that these conditions actually turn Aamir into a jihadi.

#12 Posted by nb on July 8, 2008 4:57:06 am


Dostmittar, have you not seen any poor Hindus in bastis?


in kuldip nayyar's worldview, muslims have an allah given right to a standard of living higher than non-muslims..

anything less and it means they are oppressed..of course, there's no waay some of it could be blamed on the muslims ocmmunity itself...absolutely not..

Muslims in Muslim bastees of Mumbai live in such sub-human conditions that it would be natural for an ordinary person to feel revulsion and anger at their plight.

Dostmittar, have you not seen any poor Hindus in bastis? I can't tell what religion the great unwashed belong to.
Do you not feel for them?

I wrote this review right after watching the film. It seems to me now that I was so overtaken by the execution of the plot that some key flaws of the premise of the story escaped me. I am thinking here of two key components; one, jihadis in India are not known to resort to kidnapping of innocent people, let alone an entire family of innocent Muslims; two, they go through an elaborate plot of kidnapping and roping in a returning doctor for a terrorism act which seems rather routine and not something of huge magnitude, like attacking the Parliament.
But once you get past these flaws, it is a tightly knit and well executed venture.

HP:

I think that what Lubna pointed out is a flaw in the film. While one can see that the Jiahdi leader wanted someone for the mission who would look least suspicious, it is not clear why Aamir?

The film gives mixed messages as far as I can see. They are:
- An educated mainstream Indian of Muslim background faces the double whammy of target of suspicion by the majority community as well as alienation from his own community.

- Muslims in Muslim bastees of Mumbai live in such sub-human conditions that it would be natural for an ordinary person to feel revulsion and anger at their plight.

- I think that the overall impact of the film is a sympathy for the Muslim community. The sense that the community harbours terrorists is already there and the film does not add or substract anything in that respect; if anything, it points to the root cause of the community's alienation. At least, that was my feeling.

As for the rest of your comments, all I can say is that the film is basically a work of fiction and while it does provide a commentary on some aspects of society, it is not a documentary.

“He uses Occum’s razor and does not let his grip on the audience loosen by distracting songs or jokes; there is not even a heroine to amuse the hero or the audience.�

But what is the message? There is one in Lubna’s post but you reject that and talk of the plight. What was the need to create the whole terrorism scenario if the plight of Muslims was the theme? I mean the director has to make some connection somewhere. You have a physician with some credentials from the West. He is obviously not from the same Ghetto background.

Was the plight to evoke some compassion or to perpetuate the stereotype that all Muslims are ghetto dwellers? When the director picks up a terrorism theme with an educated Muslim and mixes it with ghetto, the message appears to be obvious.

good to see that some independent movies are making it out of the vomit factory that is bollywood.

The premise of the story seems a bit flawed...I mean, there must be millions of other guys that can be recruited...what's so special about this Aamir?

Again, it is another way to show the "bad muslims" ain't it :).

anyhow, what's good is that it was a non-formula film as far as bollywood goes.

thanks for the info

lubnaM:

Have you seen the film? It is not as simple as that. The film does not quite explain why Aamir was targetted for jihadic activity but once you accept that premise, the rest of the film is more realistic than most of the bollywood films.

nb:

okay, you can say that in the sense that it portrays the real plight of Muslims in contemporary society.

do u people really think that in a muslim society people are approached to participate in jihad the way u have described....u are terribly ill-informed and live in a world of fictioncreated by the media.

dostmittar, it may be a Muslim social in that it is about Muslim society today...not quite like Bahu Begum, is it?

nb:

This is definitely not a Muslim Social. I am now wondering if his reference to scholarship was about his education in general or for going to London. And no, it has no relation to the recent case of sabeel-Haneef, although the leader of the Jiahdi cell does criticise him for returning to India rather than serving "the cause" in London.

Sorry for poor editing.

It sounds interesting. I was just wondering the other day what had happened to the Muslim Social.
Doctors don't really get scholarships to go to the UK, but never mind that. I wonder if the cahracter is a doctor because of Sabeel Ahmed and his cousin Mohammed Haneef.
Have you heard of a film called Yasmin starring Archie Panjabi?