Dost Mittar July 4, 2008
#81 Posted by dost_mittar on July 9, 2008 12:22:18 pm
hamidm:
I think that there is also strong evidence to the contrary. Most Muslim countries, outside the Gulf states, are not run by Sharia and there does not seem to be a huge clamour to do so. I am thinking here of Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Morocco, Tunisia and, of course, Turkey. As I said earlier, Saudi petrodollars are changing the scene somewhat and, if you are concerned about this trend, you should do something about it and try to replace the local saudi-appointed imam with someone from homeland.
I think that there is also strong evidence to the contrary. Most Muslim countries, outside the Gulf states, are not run by Sharia and there does not seem to be a huge clamour to do so. I am thinking here of Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Morocco, Tunisia and, of course, Turkey. As I said earlier, Saudi petrodollars are changing the scene somewhat and, if you are concerned about this trend, you should do something about it and try to replace the local saudi-appointed imam with someone from homeland.
#82 Posted by tahmed32 on July 9, 2008 12:24:19 pm
hurricane: please give hamidm another chance...he promises to check in with AA.
#83 Posted by tahmed32 on July 9, 2008 12:26:07 pm
dost mittar: an imam is an imam. the only difference between a desi imam and a arby imam is that the latter burps in an arabic accent.
#84 Posted by ajeya on July 9, 2008 7:36:08 pm
#50 dost_mittar
[Yes, islam is a common factor in all these and I have never said that Islam is a religion of peace. In fact, I have said elsewhere that the virus of jihad is present in almost all muslims but it is dormant most of the time unless triggered by a sense of injustice. ]
Yes. And this sense of injustice is imaginary, and in some cases self-fulfilling, and mullah/jihadi types use it to the maximum effect to control their flock as well as to further spread the seeds of this insidious ideology.
[Yes, islam is a common factor in all these and I have never said that Islam is a religion of peace. In fact, I have said elsewhere that the virus of jihad is present in almost all muslims but it is dormant most of the time unless triggered by a sense of injustice. ]
Yes. And this sense of injustice is imaginary, and in some cases self-fulfilling, and mullah/jihadi types use it to the maximum effect to control their flock as well as to further spread the seeds of this insidious ideology.
#85 Posted by ajeya on July 9, 2008 7:39:35 pm
#51 dost_mittar
[...and I thought that you were a friend of the horrible ones. But I do agree that India should give up Kashmir and get rid of this "Nasoor" once and for all. ]
I don't think we should give up Kashmir. This would only encourage the ummah - there are 150 million+ Muslims in India, and growing - it would be a matter of time before another chunk would be bitten off.
One has to take a stand somewhere.
[...and I thought that you were a friend of the horrible ones. But I do agree that India should give up Kashmir and get rid of this "Nasoor" once and for all. ]
I don't think we should give up Kashmir. This would only encourage the ummah - there are 150 million+ Muslims in India, and growing - it would be a matter of time before another chunk would be bitten off.
One has to take a stand somewhere.
#86 Posted by Ras on July 9, 2008 9:21:06 pm
DM Sahib,
this is not one of your better writings on CHOWK,
but the message is a valid one.
Ras
#87 Posted by hamidm2 on July 10, 2008 5:36:49 am
.... i don't want to say 'i told you so', but does anyone remember that i had suggested dropping a couple of twenty thousand pound bombs on lal masjid to exterminate these jihadi breeders ? ........ now these 3000 she devils will go on to produce 18-24000 wild eyed soldiers for the moon god's army ........ phugto ! ........ i suggest we turn them loose in kashmir, hyderabad, mumbai, delhi and eklavya's home town since he loves them so much ......
ISLAMABAD: About 3,000 Islamist women gathered at the radical Lal Masjid in the capital on Wednesday and vowed to raise their children for jihad, days after a suicide bomber killed 19 people after a similar rally on July 6. Chanting slogans of “jihad is our way�, burqa-clad women, some carrying babies, listened to fiery speeches from the daughter of the mosque’s jailed cleric on the eve of the anniversary of a raid on the complex in which more than 100 people died. “Our mujahideen laid down their lives for the enforcement of the Islamic system in Pakistan. We are left behind to carry forward their mission,� the daughter of cleric Abdul Aziz told the tightly guarded rally in the mosque compound.
#88 Posted by akcheema on July 10, 2008 5:45:53 am
Re: # 87; hamidm sahib
it was a bit before my time but do you recall the "huma" and "aleppo" solution in northern Syria by the Alawite Hafiz Asad?
it was a bit before my time but do you recall the "huma" and "aleppo" solution in northern Syria by the Alawite Hafiz Asad?
#89 Posted by hamidm2 on July 10, 2008 5:56:37 am
Re: # 88
.... they don't make men like hafiz asad anymore ! ...... even mo of mecca did the right thing for his cause at khandaq by taking care of the pesky jewish tribes in one night and the jesus loving puritans did what they had to do in new england ........ heck, even the veggie eating horrible hindoos took care of business in gujarat - i haven't heard of a muslim problem there since then - have you ? ....
.... they don't make men like hafiz asad anymore ! ...... even mo of mecca did the right thing for his cause at khandaq by taking care of the pesky jewish tribes in one night and the jesus loving puritans did what they had to do in new england ........ heck, even the veggie eating horrible hindoos took care of business in gujarat - i haven't heard of a muslim problem there since then - have you ? ....
#90 Posted by akcheema on July 10, 2008 6:18:16 am
Re: # 89
(re: Hafiz) very true sir
"khaak mein keya sooratein hon gi ke pinhaan ho gaeen"
(re: Hafiz) very true sir
"khaak mein keya sooratein hon gi ke pinhaan ho gaeen"
#91 Posted by bulleya on July 10, 2008 6:20:10 am
hamidm mian #: ....at some point, you (and urstruly) will have to realize that if you want to be a part of the war, you need to jump into the battlefield......
(both of) you cannot fight your battles from the sidelines, in the comforts of an air-conditioned study room in michigan, encouraging others to do all the fighting....
...the ladies of jamia hafsa have you by your balls.....and they are twisting them hard.....your replies are thus nothing but frustrated cries of pain, felt as they twist......they are winning simply because they are willing to jump into their battles, wholeheartedly........while you are too scared to do so......
....your only asset is that, on the jamia hafsa side, there are plenty of urstrulies also, who share your approach to battle......
your convictions (or lack theereof)is why your side is losing......and urstruly's conviction (or lack thereof) is why your side hasn't totally lost out yet......
(both of) you cannot fight your battles from the sidelines, in the comforts of an air-conditioned study room in michigan, encouraging others to do all the fighting....
...the ladies of jamia hafsa have you by your balls.....and they are twisting them hard.....your replies are thus nothing but frustrated cries of pain, felt as they twist......they are winning simply because they are willing to jump into their battles, wholeheartedly........while you are too scared to do so......
....your only asset is that, on the jamia hafsa side, there are plenty of urstrulies also, who share your approach to battle......
your convictions (or lack theereof)is why your side is losing......and urstruly's conviction (or lack thereof) is why your side hasn't totally lost out yet......
#92 Posted by akcheema on July 10, 2008 6:32:53 am
Re: # 91
that's not half bad romair!
khuda hafiz for now
that's not half bad romair!
khuda hafiz for now
#93 Posted by dost_mittar on July 10, 2008 6:33:29 am
hamidm2#87:
"- i haven't heard of a muslim problem there since then - have you ?"
This is the scary part. I noted in the Amarnath board that Muslims in Gujarat went to the extent of taking out a procession against the Kashmir govt's revocation of the land for hindu pilgrims. This would be like Hindus in Pakistan taking out a procession in support of the hanging a blasphemer.
On a sidenote, can't we punjabis standardise our phonetics in Roman script? we use phugto, bhugto, bugto, pugto for the same sound.
"- i haven't heard of a muslim problem there since then - have you ?"
This is the scary part. I noted in the Amarnath board that Muslims in Gujarat went to the extent of taking out a procession against the Kashmir govt's revocation of the land for hindu pilgrims. This would be like Hindus in Pakistan taking out a procession in support of the hanging a blasphemer.
On a sidenote, can't we punjabis standardise our phonetics in Roman script? we use phugto, bhugto, bugto, pugto for the same sound.
#94 Posted by hamidm2 on July 10, 2008 6:37:10 am
Re: # 91
romair,
..... like the dallas cowgirls, i am just a cheerleader and have absolutely no desire to jump into the fray ...... i will let better men (and women) do the actual fighting while i cheer on from the sidelines sipping merlot and mucnching on melon and poscuitto ...... life is too precious
..... as for urstruly, he has left america and is right now holed up in a cave somewhere along the pak-afghan border with a one-eyed mullah, a tall arab, and a jackass who has had enough .......these people have the conviction but they will loose because they don't have the bomb or indoor plumbing and have yet to discover toothpaste ...... if by any chance they win and the moslem hordes from dearborn take over michigan, i will simply move to alaska or the peoples republic of canada ...
romair,
..... like the dallas cowgirls, i am just a cheerleader and have absolutely no desire to jump into the fray ...... i will let better men (and women) do the actual fighting while i cheer on from the sidelines sipping merlot and mucnching on melon and poscuitto ...... life is too precious
..... as for urstruly, he has left america and is right now holed up in a cave somewhere along the pak-afghan border with a one-eyed mullah, a tall arab, and a jackass who has had enough .......these people have the conviction but they will loose because they don't have the bomb or indoor plumbing and have yet to discover toothpaste ...... if by any chance they win and the moslem hordes from dearborn take over michigan, i will simply move to alaska or the peoples republic of canada ...
#95 Posted by hamidm2 on July 10, 2008 6:58:51 am
Re: # 93
dost,
... that is exactly what i was trying to say .... you guys, in spite of being veggie eaters, have managed to put the fear of bhagwan in the muslims of gujarat and put them on the straight and narrow instead of the sirat-ul-mustaqeen to hell .......... see, it wasn't that difficult now, was it? ..... we could have done the same thing thing at lal masjid but we did not have the gonads ..........
dost,
... that is exactly what i was trying to say .... you guys, in spite of being veggie eaters, have managed to put the fear of bhagwan in the muslims of gujarat and put them on the straight and narrow instead of the sirat-ul-mustaqeen to hell .......... see, it wasn't that difficult now, was it? ..... we could have done the same thing thing at lal masjid but we did not have the gonads ..........
#96 Posted by _arjun10 on July 10, 2008 7:02:45 am
#93 Posted by dost_mittar on July 10, 2008 6:33:29 am
Muslims in Gujarat went to the extent of taking out a procession against the Kashmir govt's revocation of the land for hindu pilgrims. This would be like Hindus in Pakistan taking out a procession in support of the hanging a blasphemer.
How is gujrati muslims supporting the rights of their fellow citizens the same as supporting the hanging of a blasphemer...?
unless you're equating giving someone the right to buy land with killing people because they didn't put a pbuh after mo?
Muslims in Gujarat went to the extent of taking out a procession against the Kashmir govt's revocation of the land for hindu pilgrims. This would be like Hindus in Pakistan taking out a procession in support of the hanging a blasphemer.
How is gujrati muslims supporting the rights of their fellow citizens the same as supporting the hanging of a blasphemer...?
unless you're equating giving someone the right to buy land with killing people because they didn't put a pbuh after mo?
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