An Ode Called Amritsar

"Do yu want allof them including Muslim to be assimilated into hindusm ??"

Muslim can turn to Guru Granth Sahab and call 10th guru prophet because he held talwar or establish new religion and call maha-Adwait. The whole point is they need to establish deep indian roots connect to Guru Govind Singhji, Shivaji, the great and Gandhi. They can make nearest IIT and IIM as their Mecca and Madina.

West esp USA will give the responsibility of cleaning the mess created by Arab imperialism aka as Islam to RICs of BRIC. Russia and China will do it violently. India needs to do it constitutionally by reservation of 100% seats in educational insitutions, jobs, ownership of lands and flats to Dharmic folks. Constitutionally India needs to ban Urdu and Arabic. Constitutionally ban building mosques in India and possess existing mosques and raze them for building Kabbadi fields or basket ball courts. What do you think Senna?

Re: # 89

If All (sikh Christian ,,etc ) are Same why are they named different .Many claimIndia withut hinduism ( its not bad )Do yu want allof them including Muslim to be assimilated into hindusm ??

muslim does not have compulsionto name arabic ( believe me ) Kidwai ,Sherrwani '''

And if you say Persian.. Feroz Gandhi Farook Engineer Aftab Shivdasani Ayesha Jhulka Aruna Irani BomanIrani Smiriti Irani perhabs all your Sindhi names are not really Indian Where Kakkar Jethmalani Advani Dadwani Haswani Gidwani Jasuja come from .And Christians have Arabic names .Tariq Aziz

Re: # 88 "Guru ji you are a minority in India your self .Very soon the nuclear deal might be derailed inIndia influenced by Communist BJP and Mr Siddique of Samaj Wadi choosing Iraq Afghanistan Plestine blaming USA.See who majority India supports (instead of I.M ) ARABS over USA

Instead of Islam & Indian muslim fight the real nemesis Pakistan.
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Koran is the idol.....

If Koran is BAd b/c its 7 century OLD imagine how many more times Veda Geeta Upanishads Ramayanas are b/c they are much much OLDER ?"

Veda and Geeta wants you to experiment with the consciousness given to you. That is why even an atheist can be a Vedantist or Sanatani

This experiment of reserving will be tried a state at a time starting with Maharastra and Gujarath in first phase. Spreading to Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Karnataka and Orissa in second phase. This is a dire need to make India a community though diverse. Dharmicness of India already allows diversity, it does not need Arabic/Smetic one. Arabic/Semtic add nothing but creates problems. Islam has tendancy to override all other identities.

"What you want to do with Sikhs Jains /Or Millions of Christians Tribals in North East Jharkhand"

Sikh, Jain, Boudha are Dharmic/Indic and even Christianity of Rev. Arjun Krishnan is becoming dharmic. Do you remember DGP Rubero? Many Marathi Jews with indic even first names such as Dinkar and Diwakar.

Re: # 83 Senna,

Islam wlll be dharmic if it drops name Islam and calls it self Advait or such Indian name. It drops Arabic scriptures and Abdul becomes Amar and Salma becomes Seema. If Arabic identity is totally erased, then Indianness will take roots. It is like abducted kids are brought home they need to put effort erasing the memory of abduction and living away from their home. What do you think? Above proposal will bring Indian Muslim population to zero within an year or two without any riots, murders, plunder or rape. It's Gandhian. You might call it Jizziya in reverse. But you should note that no one is taxing them except for using road, water and civic amenities and protection for supporting Indian Armed forces and Police.
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You want to treat the present muslim in future as having indian (hindu) name Advait.Personal names ...

What you want to do with Sikhs Jains /Or Millions of Christians Tribals in North East Jharkhand ...Give it up guru
Whats the sanskrit phrase the first thing you lose before death is your mind .

You are Right (except in reverse)All taxation including IRS that u file before 15 th april without any fight meekly is JIZYA of USA for fighting & protection for you.WE all already pay GOI tax

Guru ji you are a minority in India your self .Very soon the nuclear deal might be derailed inIndia influenced by Communist BJP and Mr Siddique of Samaj Wadi choosing Iraq Afghanistan Plestine blaming USA.See who majority India supports (instead of I.M ) ARABS over USA

Instead of Islam & Indian muslim fight the real nemesis Pakistan.
.........................
Koran is the idol.....

If Koran is BAd b/c its 7 century OLD imagine how many more times Veda Geeta Upanishads Ramayanas are b/c they are much much OLDER ?

Koran is the Idol which does not sit at one place but sits on faithfuls neck like a ghost and bringing him back to 7th century.

Re: # 83 Senna,

Islam wlll be dharmic if it drops name Islam and calls it self Advait or such Indian name. It drops Arabic scriptures and Abdul becomes Amar and Salma becomes Seema. If Arabic identity is totally erased, then Indianness will take roots. It is like abducted kids are brought home they need to put effort erasing the memory of abduction and living away from their home. What do you think? Above proposal will bring Indian Muslim population to zero within an year or two without any riots, murders, plunder or rape. It's Gandhian. You might call it Jizziya in reverse. But you should note that no one is taxing them except for using road, water and civic amenities and protection for supporting Indian Armed forces and Police.

BTW, there is a political party which is forming with this platform. De-Arabisation and De-Islamization is the dire need of Non-Arabic world.

Re: # 80
Satya ji

All that constitution is good on paper The other day i watched a video of Brahmin nbaba who says the casteism philosophy of Hinduism is Above Indian constitution and who cares what constitution says .How many hindu in india divide there property Applying the constitutional ban on dowry Dahej, Misogyny ,equal rights ,freedom of women to choose according , to Indian
constitution .?????

What ever the % difference between exchange of ppl migrating to the oposite side be .May be greater for the ppll coming INTO India % wise may be greater considering very low neumerically of them being THERE, but neumerically greater NUMBER of Muslim migrated away from India b/c of Insecurity .

satyam,

Thanks for the suggestons. I thought they were like us desis.

What do you think of saving Indian Abduls and Salmas by GOI making 100% reservation in education, jobs and land ownership to Dharmic/Indic people and all these god fearing poor Abduls and Salmas will revert back to Dharma, and thus saved.

Re: # 75
Guru

"GOI should make 100% reservation in education, jobs and owning land to Dharmic/Indic people and all these god fearing poor Abduls and Salmas wil revert back to Dharma, and thus saved.'

What is Dharmic ..is it not MUCH closer to Islam than polytheism idolatory And Icon worshipping.You want to be proudly Idollator .Nothing wrong with that for Muslim.

But listen to Swami Viveka Nanda what he says .He says idollatory is only INFANCY of hinduism untill he /she mature to pray IDOLLLESSLY . that is in mind and imaginatinof endless immeasureable all knowing supreme being .That again what muslim believes about god Just look up the 100 more or more than hundred names of Allah and ask there meaning .God is abstract but u got to be muslim to pray without assistence of image !

Typo
Listen yo Israr atleast and all the deductive logic used by both of themis the same.corrected

lISTEN TO ISRAR ATLEAST ALL THE DEDUCTIVE LOGIC BY BOTH OF THEM IS THE SAME ..

Re: # 75

Guru maha dev

I listened to the audio posted by you .By god i thaught i was listening to Moulana ISRAR if not Moudoodi .Listen yo Israr atleast and all the deductive logic used by both of themis the same ,In fact Dr Naiks reparte is also same For example If some one says darkness they all say dont say darkness say ABSENCE of light,So on,, you can go lecturing endlessly ...

#70 Mystic,

Sure, compare the record of India with Pakiland.
The number of victims of riots in India is nothing compared to the genocidal nature of the Pakistani government and establishment.

In this century, the achievements of India in building a decent society is superior to that of any other country. Considering the poverty, illiteracy, 500 kingdoms etc that challenged India in 1947, building a billion people democracy with diverse people is an achievement of the monumental proportions. Tip your turban to the people of the dharmic civilization.
Since the American constitution of the 18th century, The Indian Constitution is the most egalitarian of the world.

When it came to civil rights the Indian Constitution was better than America (only in 1965 did the US catch up).
When it comes to womens suffrage, India was ahead many european nations. Same with affirmative action etc etc..


wake up from your delusion about India and Pakistan being equal-equal.

Guru,

Just a suggestion: Long posts are beyond the comprehension of the average pakistani interactor on this site.

It makes sense to keep every post to less than 15-20 lines (max) and provide a link wherever necessary.

Keep focus on one topic at a time, else, you will be giving your detractors opportunity to change the topic.

I foresee years of conflict around the world as followers of exclusivist world views face the inexorable march of science. I foresee a triumph of those ideas that value experiential knowledge and universality. New religions will have to learn to respect the old and also respect the right of the individual to choose. Eventually there can be only one religion, that of truth and humanity.

It is fascinating how people justify their situation even if they must side with their oppressors. In India this has happened countless times. Some of the worst tyranny on the Hindus was imposed by new converts. In Kashmir, Sikandar's minister Suha Bhatta, a new Muslim, abetted his king in the forcible conversion of the Hindus. According to the historian Ferishta, Sikandar ordered that only Muslims be allowed to reside in Kashmir. Those who tried to flee the valley were cut down by armed soldiers at mountain passes.

Another interesting case of a different type is that of Muhammad Iqbal, the poet and originator of the idea of Pakistan. His grandfather Sahaj Ram Sapru, a revenue collector, embezzled funds and when discovered the Afghan governor, Azim Khan, gave him the choice of death or conversion to Islam. Sahaj Ram Sapru chose life and, assuming new names, he and his family moved to Sialkot in the Punjab. Later Iqbal never acknowledged his native Kashmiri and Indian tradition that his grandfather had been so cruelly forced to renounce.

Perhaps this reveals that terror wins. The victims wish to be like their tormentors. Which is why the descendents of the American Indians, who were treated with such monumental barbarity by the Spaniards, wish to forget their native heritage. But such amnesia leads to a weakening of the spirit, a loss of purpose, confusion about ends and means. To progress all are alike; it recognizes no religion, only a search for truth. Those who would not be true to their past will not be able to recognize the truth about the future.